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It’s the week before General Conference, so naturally, Kurt and Geoff have some thoughts on what might be coming this weekend and how we can best prepare. Don’t miss our General Conference rumors, either!

October 2019 General Conference Rumor Roundup

By Common Consent posted an interesting Twitter rant this week:


Is two-hour church actually working? We’re not talking about whether home-centered church or the new youth program are working. We’re asking whether the two hours that we do spend together are spent as best as they can. It’s easy to argue that it is not the most effective use of our precious time together, but what’s your take? Has your ward benefited from the shortened block or do people feel more distant? Do you still get chances to socialize? Is there a spirit of camaraderie?

On September 29, we all enjoyed a broadcast on the new Children and Youth program, which is designed for, uh, children and youth. The broadcast was bereft of any real content or explanation of the structure of the program, but we love that kids will be setting goals and getting ready for FSY every two years.

Another Missionary Training Center is closing, this one in Guatemala. This one wasn’t even particularly old. What’s up with the slew of MTC closures? Kurt also has a great idea for how to hold fundraisers at the MTC.

Temple news: design revealed for Feather River California Temple, location revealed for Tooele Valley Utah Temple, and groundbreaking date revealed for Puebla Mexico Temple.

Temple Predictions – October 2019

A story went viral last week of a Baptist preacher giving a sermon on the Book of Mormon for 10 solid minutes. Even we loved it! Of course, this is why we can’t have nice things, because it turns out the “Baptist” is a baptized member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and isn’t recognized as a preacher by his fellow Baptists. Apparently he sees himself as a bridge between the two groups, neither of which embraces him.

Are Latter-day Saints stuck with the Republican Party despite alleged (and decreasingly manifested) discomfort with Donald Trump? The Washington Examiner thinks so, but Kurt, a more traditional Republican, isn’t so sure.

James Curran/JTM/James the Mormon is doing the rounds, explaining why 50% of the people are mean to him.

Robert Kirby wants you to be true to yourself!

Transcript

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:00] Hello my children welcome once again to this week in Mormons I’m Geoff openshaw this is your weekly podcast about news,
except for the weeks where we don’t do news and do other things but this week it’s news everybody we’re back in the saddle nice to be with you I guess it actually has been a little bit of time since,
I have sat down with you,
to do any news cuz last week we have the den debbenham interview and with the sisters and then we had the other temp Benson interview and the week before that we did the news with none other than who’s with me again this week Kirk Franklin for leading sing.

Kurt Francom:
[0:32] Thank you Jeff I’m back
and a conference week Jeff has been my dream to see it was my dream did you just get on this week in Mormons and now is my dream to get on the week before General Conference and I
I hear you just a teaser out there you may have me back for the general conference recap.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:50] That’s the hope so folks on Sunday I don’t think we’re going to live streaming or anything like that cuz I realized no one watches when we do so there’s no point going to the trouble but will probably record on Sunday night.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00] Your mom watches Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03] My mom doesn’t know how that works.

Kurt Francom:
[1:05] FairPoint FairPoint.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:08] In the least they are but look for that other Publix maybe late Sunday night or Monday morning or something like that will help to have a conference and we’ll talk a little bit about some conference thoughts leading into and of course this week it’s a big prep week,
on all of those fronts you know.

Kurt Francom:
[1:23] Are you still going to be on the twitters is that where you set up your your base camp.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:28] I hope to be sometimes I feel like it’s out of obligation you know like I get tired sometimes on conference weekend I feel like it it’s stupid because I love conference for the sake of enjoying conference,
and yet as as a builder of things there’s a part of me that recognizes that conference is frankly good for brand development,
I mean it’s it’s it’s a good time for exposure and to engage with the community and to get a lot of good thoughts from other people,
and so you are naturally feel even more obligated to be present for those reasons which is sad cuz ideally I just don’t care,
I just want to enjoy conference you know but at the same time,
yes I will be doing the Twitter but I also enjoy quite a bit of seeing other people’s thoughts on Twitter that’s part of what makes it in reaching a lot of the time like there’s there’s always a jokey tweets which I enjoy posting as well you know when some snark and some humor and stuff
but people are supposed really insightful thoughts about the toxin are going down.

Kurt Francom:
[2:28] Yeah that that’s part of the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:29] Supplement to what you’re getting.

Kurt Francom:
[2:31] The excerpt of the trade-off right that
you sure want to be in that Community that’s present that’s overwhelmingly present there during conference in you know see the comments and you know the snark is fun from time to time but at the same time as serve that balance of
do I be involved there and yeah I’m sort of you know absorbing the content in the principles or do I just need to like
plop down focus and then end up falling asleep anyways so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:55] I’ve tried to find a balance so now,
it’s even harder now it’s about kids more kids and older than they used to be in stuff like that could I used to kind of set up a war room back when I said I’d like my desktop computer with another laptop streaming stuff.

Kurt Francom:
[3:11] Several monitors.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:13] I like to make shareable means a lot to do is have those nice just quotes from people’s talks and get him up and have a picture of them is pretty to very basic but even just doing that I feel like I will take me out of it so much even though make me Focus cuz I want to find a good pull quote,
so I’ve kind of abandoned that efforts of the trying to plot Quest even though it’s a nice quotes.

Kurt Francom:
[3:36] So do you feel like you a pick up a chunk of of listeners or followers on on Twitter because of your your engagement there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:45] Potentially but I might lose as many as I gain Nuno.

Kurt Francom:
[3:48] Yeah that’s that’s why I actually get Volunteers in the leading Saints community that like will take a session and then they’ll you know they’ll do the quotes and things and butt.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:57] Yeah cuz you’re smarter than me Kurt Kurt you you have built a brand that people respect and want to be a part of for free you’ve done very well in.

Kurt Francom:
[4:03] Well hey that’s my hope anyways I’m sure there’s a handful people that just don’t see me as a brand or C leading Saints.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:13] I mean dude you still you still are nice enough you’re nice enough to come back and still slim it here with twin there was a time when I think of you.

Kurt Francom:
[4:21] I feel like I’m with my people.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:23] You I think you viewed our swim collaborations it’s a nice way to get some greater visibility out there you know do the good work let people know what you were all about but now my friend,
the the master has become the pupil,
and I sit here on humble knee and kissed by ring and recognized by superiority in all.

Kurt Francom:
[4:43] Is this when you announced the acquisition of this week in Mormons by Leading Saints go ahead J.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:48] Incorrect this is what I know of the Hostile takeover of leading Saints by this week.

Kurt Francom:
[4:51] Slowly I’m working from the inside out there’s one you’ll wake up one day you’ll be like why did Kurt want my my Twitter password and my WordPress password and hey wait a second I can’t login and then it’ll all be gone Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:06] I think what you’re not thinking correctly member there’s times when I’ve asked you to have my own access to your website Yes siree.

Kurt Francom:
[5:15] Well Jeff I have a have a community that will come after you and toilet paper your house.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:21] They have to have a house to have for them to do that.

Kurt Francom:
[5:23] With trees and such and privates.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:27] Okay just some tree I do have some trees.

Kurt Francom:
[5:29] So what’s new in your life Jeff what’s what’s making it what’s making your heart come alive.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:36] Quite honestly devere,
slightly from church things I live in Washington DC and I work amongst a lot of political individuals and it’s been an interesting 10 days or so on that front I won’t go into details but that’s certainly been occupying a lot of what’s been happening of late,
I will say I do work at a government agency and so it’s been that’s been fun.

Kurt Francom:
[5:58] You fist fights break out in your break room or.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:01] No first we got to have a break room for that.

Kurt Francom:
[6:03] Don’t use our tax dollars defer breakroom Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:07] I do want people understand I worked for a couple of hours would I have worked for I work for the state department work for the Department of Defense before I’ve done different things,
some places have it a lot better than others but I will say that the less you ever get the idea that these people have like cushy government jobs I will say this most government jobs are as it is hard to fire people and I think sometimes harder than should be so that’s fair,
but the conditions you often working even like stateside,
and I’ve office building in DC you’re in some random old building from the fifties that still falling apart there’s little things like the fact that they don’t even provide water coolers and everyone who wants a water cooler access pays to be in a water Club,
Revlon, I cough up $7 a month I cough up I spend seven bucks a month so collectively week,
yeah so collectively we can pay to have a water cooler stock,
in our office for example we only have a microwave in my office because I brought one from my basement that we inherited when we bought our house and I don’t and it’s a spare when I don’t need so I brought it in one day.

Kurt Francom:
[7:13] But then the guy like microwaves is tupperware full of fish or something in the whole place stinks.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:19] Oh I don’t mind cuz before someone to microwave something I had to walk across the whole building which in this case the equivalent of more than a city block to go all the way to a different sweets where there happens to be a microwave as part of our team,
we just got a refrigerator last week and it just sits in our foyer cuz we don’t have an actual kitchen.

Kurt Francom:
[7:36] Geoff you know you know there’s a private sector right with foosball tables and cafeterias and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:44] See I’ve had the balance and I’ve been a government contractor which I still am but I didn’t work on site with the government I worked at my company’s offices and that was a freewheeling blast we had a high-speed Wi-Fi on MacBook Pro is in a fun culture,
I do miss those days of times and there are many times I think about the private sector the problem is they want results in the private sector and I don’t work for the government I can’t get.

Kurt Francom:
[8:06] Details details you know it’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:09] I would probably have my first day on the straight private-sector and they be like what we like to hear this project and then they’d like spected to be done you know by the end of the week and I’d like wait a second,
where I come from we talked about this and then have some more meetings and talked about it and then about a month later someone Revisited and wondered where we’re at then we say oh yeah that’s still a thing and then about three months later someone actually give someone some.

Kurt Francom:
[8:31] And then then you get a new boss every 6 months or so is as you know secondary state gets replaced or whatever.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:40] Anyway that was my long way of saying don’t think that we all have these cushy
set up a special government employee so I work in this environment but I’m still employed by a private company and it’s so and so I have like my combined PTO you know when you have your sick and your vacation is one that’s very common thing nowadays,
but otherwise that was a bit of a tangent Life Is Life is tremendous what can I say I want to give a shout out to my brother,
who had his tonsils out last week and as I had mine out 3 years ago and having them out as an adult’s is a torturous.

Kurt Francom:
[9:15] Why didn’t you do it when your rate or something.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:17] That wasn’t I didn’t need it then I started getting all these infections so you can do this.

Kurt Francom:
[9:26] We shall now start a fast for calling.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:29] Pro what should that’s it’s not fun having your tonsils out as a grown man that is I don’t I don’t envy him otherwise we’re just hanging out you know,
we’ll talk about some things it’ll last Sunday we had that dope broadcast.

Kurt Francom:
[9:47] Right weight we were in spirit we had the same meeting and and it was was right what were your takeaways Jeff were you excite.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:57] Oh well I wanted to catch up with you I thought it was fine I will admit I’m shocked at how much they have teased out information for the youth program I cannot remember any program drop,
that has been this bereft of detail and where they just kind of keep just dropping little little nuggets,
little nuggets to keep you coming back for more I don’t like this because they’re really worried if they answer to early people will lose interest by the time 2020 hits and they want to just bring it right up to the line I don’t know.

Kurt Francom:
[10:28] Don’t you think it’s more that they just that they’re figuring this out as far as the details as they go or do you feel like they have a.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:35] I certainly hope not I would hope they flushed out the whole thing.

Kurt Francom:
[10:36] At do you think they have a well-rounded program like that the project is over there just waiting for January 1.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:44] I think. I think the project is over I can’t imagine they would be winging it like years were going to do everybody going to record this broadcast let everyone watch it on the 29th on the 5th Sunday it’s going to be great and then we’ll use the intervening weeks to kind of figure out what this really all is,
what we will also have publication and pamphlet to pass out we won’t really know what they mean yet,
will wait for Elder gong to explain that when we are all fish and.

Kurt Francom:
[11:11] So I mean I guess I would have expected by like April around the April conference or as soon thereafter they would have had a meeting like okay here it is this is what to expect while this just wait it out similar to
let’s see well they did the the 2-hour Church in October and we waited a few months right so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:30] Yeah yeah right yeah.

Kurt Francom:
[11:37] Happy birthday to our church.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:43] So I don’t I don’t get what’s up with the rollout of it I think the program from what little I understand of it at this point is great let the kids set goals and work with them on goals and have them have a sense of ownership I think all those things are excellent,
I’m just still very curious about what it actually is struck.

Kurt Francom:
[11:59] Like what is the week-to-week activity activity.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:04] And that’s not to have the the home centered Church supported,
take care of it for me but it’s just a kind of know what we’re getting up kids to go to Mutual but just to have like an understanding of what this all means I think that would be good and we’ll find out more November it’s just funny to me how much there I watched all of Sunday’s thing I thought it was it was Fuzzy and warm and nice.

Kurt Francom:
[12:24] It’s like a like a 24 episode you know season of a TV series right like each episode at so I can come back next week to see if Ross really Falls for dinner,
Rachel.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:37] Ross never dated anyone.

Kurt Francom:
[12:38] Rachel real name is Jennifer.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:40] But I will go on the record that Ross should have actually wind up with Mona everyone it should have been Moana and I will I will tell you two things Ross should have been with Mona not Rachel and Phoebe should have went up with David not my,
come at me in the comments friends.

Kurt Francom:
[12:55] Sorry I open that Wormhole and you jump right in didn’t you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:00] You know you guys are difficult just re-watched all the friends over the past couple of months,
like I literally finished it at like 6 days ago in my mind that’s what I do when I’m communic,
how do you feel about the youth stuff though you know what are your what are your takeaways this far.

Kurt Francom:
[13:16] Will Jeff that actually I actually am officially in the youth program because I was called my new Ward as the young men’s,
secretary in the onions prison.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:26] Did this is like a dream calling.

Kurt Francom:
[13:28] I don’t why I’m really stoked I’m finally ended the youth program the Inman for him so I’m excited to explore this and I sort of,
I don’t know if you remember the case in the work meeting like there was a ton of hype around that and then we showed up and it was sort of like,
like they’re like we were kind of
that everybody was expecting a larger announcement but it was more just a good solid missionary broadcast right and so
I Serta walked in that meeting with my expectations lower,
and so I was really pleased with how it was presented and explained and obviously there’s much more details to come but I thought this is cool and I had my little seven-year-old there and we filled out the the quadrant of the goals and things in.
and I think it’s got a lot of potential I’m excited for looking forward to it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:21] Yeah there’s a lot of potential I’m glad you’re less cynical than I am I enjoyed it but I was also by myself cuz my kids are too young and my wife was sick so I kind of sat there and I thought I thought to myself what’s the line for the other people that don’t have like,
but there was no alternative programming this past Sunday there was just a smaller primary and this and if you don’t have a calling that pertains to this and you’re no kid that Aid,
you’ll be like cool this is all well and good.

Kurt Francom:
[14:48] Yeah I mean every every auxiliary takes their turn of attention.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:50] For me to know it’s it’s it’s good inform it’s good information to have so we’ll be curious to see how it’s,
how it plays out that that a president Ballard though he thought that kicked look pretty good he loved the cake that was a little quip right there,
I don’t realize Elder Ballard is a 90 now.

Kurt Francom:
[15:11] Yeah he’s an old man but he’s he’s sharp so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:15] That man that man is perennially been 88 to me so they actually happened.

Kurt Francom:
[15:19] I know right business seem like a lot of those there’s a handful of the Apostles that through the 90s and that the first decade of the 2000s it was,
it was they didn’t age year they were like the same person and then all sudden like hey I’m 90 like what.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:37] I know it seems like they don’t even look at their ages real quick according to Wikipedia Ballard is 90 Elder Holland is 78 now,
is 78 the silver foxes two years shive 81 year did he turned 79 in November so I think it moved or was being like always 66,
it’s right like that’s how old is Elder Bednar 67.

Kurt Francom:
[16:01] Actually if you allow me to name drop Jeff I ran into Elder uchtdorf as how his downtown are you just randomly,
standing by a car with his wife and he was nice enough we’re having a ward activity was nice enough to come over and take a picture with all the kids and and when you are with him in person you’re like yeah you you seem a lot older in person then
under the shiny lights so you think they put like you know like makeup on them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:29] I’ve often wondered that myself,
I think they must put in a question like they’re all under shiny like they can’t make up everybody I mean I know what they know like who’s going to be on camera in a given session but Focus I don’t know I would assume they do.

Kurt Francom:
[16:43] Will they do the the oxygen eyeglasses the you know they do when they’re on oxygen and they where I can do no glasses that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:53] That was mostly Elder Hales really made that famous I mean no one.

Kurt Francom:
[16:56] And I don’t think anybody’s on oxygen right now.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:00] I think to tell you I think they’re doing okay.

Kurt Francom:
[17:02] We got it we got a strong cast of of apostle so this is great.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:06] Let’s see better 60s who cook a 79 Kristofferson 74 Anderson 68 rasband 68 Stephenson Hwy 64 but of course he’s you know younger in the set,
Rhinelander 66 Kong a 65 Suarez is only six.

Kurt Francom:
[17:28] It’s going to be Presidente Suarez Someday my friend.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:32] Well then if you ever read the like the people who do probabilities.

Kurt Francom:
[17:36] Oh yeah they have the graph and everything in like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:38] I obviously Bednar his long like had the best odds on that front you know he’s right now he’s fifth in line and he is substantially younger than everyone in front of him.

Kurt Francom:
[17:47] Prego Oaks Holland Bednar maybe I’ll sneak someone else in there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:53] So youth so what you’re saying is you think Ballard will die before he gets the chance to take over based on what you just said okay so you think we’ll make it.

Kurt Francom:
[17:59] Table saw you morbid I’m not like wishing the Dead.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:05] What you’re saying is you want president Ballard to die that’s what you’re telling us.

Kurt Francom:
[18:07] No that’s Selena and let’s keep him around he’s probably one of the three Nephites and he’ll just vanish into the far cities.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:16] I remember he came to a stake conference we had once a number of years ago and he was there with the 70 with her like Hong Kong and 270 was pretty recently called as one of his first assignments going around with an apostle and he would crack up the man had not been,
institutionalized yet I was so funny and Elder Ballard did not seem pleased about what was happening.

Kurt Francom:
[18:39] Psych.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:40] That’s watching his facial cubes.

Kurt Francom:
[18:42] Back to the training room for you my son.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:44] He’s like missing this is a serious meeting where we tell people serious things so it was,
I love to know he was great he was joking about like vacuum hose he’s like you have these houses you like I was at the stake president’s house and then de pacu,
and there’s like different floors and so many rooms is like you don’t want to take me to vacuum in Hong Kong is like left right left right it’s done it’s over,
I forgot his name but he was awesome well good weed we how are how are you we talked to use broadcast but I want to make sure the leading Saints icon before me is well represented.

Kurt Francom:
[19:22] We’re doing great as you can see I’m actually in a new house so we we moved recently.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:27] Literally every time we work order.

Kurt Francom:
[19:29] That’s how I roll and
I just have a series of homes that I I travel to and delivering Saints was a virtual Summit was a wild success thanks to you and the twin Nation for a participating in that I hope people found value in that and like I said I got a I got a calling so I’m excited for you know that’s
re-energized has the Sunday experience and how it gets a weekly experience as I put Hispanic youth program so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:56] Any any big interviews coming up or other releases for bleeding Saints.

Kurt Francom:
[20:00] Big interviews are really an interesting when I interviewed I’ll probably release the Sunday after General Conference but I interviewed a lady who was a young Widow like she was widowed at 24 years old
and she talks about the start of the the messiness and of the ministration and such when you
you know when you actually you get remarried if you’re that young and so she got remarried but you know the husband can’t be sealed to her and and,
you know how the process of requesting that because the system is very much framed around divorcees you know and so interesting up so we can talk about policy and you know just that experience as a young Widow and and,
kind of random but really I enjoyed the conversation.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:48] What sounds awesome and humbling in a lot of ways to it.

Kurt Francom:
[20:51] Yeah it’s tragic unlikely you know it was 25 plus years ago worth need a lot of that emotion is his subsided a little bit from from her experience with.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:01] I can’t imagine I can’t imagine how tough that is for women who are widowed like that other than all the obvious,
the trauma you deal with from that,
but then from our structure of the church where and you are sealed to a husband and you cannot be sealed to another and you think it’s it’s tough to date and find a man who is willing to enter into a non Eternal relationship especially if you’re still,
going through like a twine to have kids and do all those things to go to probably touchdown a lot during the jokes,
it would have when your 24 you’re probably still thinks like B I want to get married again like have a family and do this stuff but because there’s no ceiling in vaulted.

Kurt Francom:
[21:41] And she talks about that just sort of that the nonverbal communication of when you know she’s dating somebody or goes out on a few dates and they find out
I’m sealed my husband died and then
you know there’s some of those relationships to the Serta fizzled out because you know bless our hearts third they sort of want that experience and now it’s it’s tough.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:03] It’s up and like I wouldn’t necessarily say all those men are being shallow it’s just it’s it’s.

Kurt Francom:
[22:08] Yes such a prominent doctor in the end part of our gospel self and even to the point that you they don’t even do for time only,
ceremonies in the temple so she had a beach wedding right and it’s like nobody
it is one of those things like it wasn’t anybody’s fault that they couldn’t have a temple wedding they are both worthy in and able to go to the temple but they had a beach wedding cuz that was you know they can do the temple so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:34] I thought they did for time only.

Kurt Francom:
[22:36] They they stop doing that for years you like 10 years ago.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:40] I didn’t know that that’s a bummer I mean I guess part of it makes sense maybe the temple was like why,
the main reason you want to come to this building for The Eternity aspect is not part of it so why that’s interesting that sounds like a good interview.

Kurt Francom:
[22:55] Check it out so but you had lots of I got another interview with Robert Mueller coming up just read his book and
Barbara I forget her name she wrote a book about women and priesthood power that we’re going to talk about so you a lot of good things coming down but definitely want to subscribe wherever you listening to the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:12] Do you read the book do you read about yourself or do you have your volunteers read it and then give you a cliff note.

Kurt Francom:
[23:17] I read them myself either read them myself or I don’t read them in just sort of you know I’m always honest with the person if I read it but I always try cuz it makes like a 10 times better at interview when I have really careers that the content of Dave.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:32] I agree there are times when I’ve learned nothing such as this week with most of our news items and I will manifest myself as an idiot.

Kurt Francom:
[23:38] I read a lot at most of them Jeff so I got you man I got you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:42] Oh good good good well golly gee willikers where do we live.

Kurt Francom:
[23:48] You going to kick us off Jeff where do we start I mean this Buffet of options.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:50] Well we we that we already where he dabbled a little bit we’ve done.

Kurt Francom:
[23:55] Of course you’ll go with this important lead story go ahead.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:57] I’m going to go to the hot news coming out of Guatemala everybody the Missionary Training Center the Missionary Training Center in Guatemala going to close in January of this year.

Kurt Francom:
[24:06] Because the most important DC do you know where the most important NPC is Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:12] The one that was in Madrid but also closed.

Kurt Francom:
[24:15] Now it’s in your home Jeff Elder Bednar stated this in last conference the most important NPC is in your home and the second one is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:24] Yeah I mean that’s all well and good but I mean where am I what I mean, what is pizza night.

Kurt Francom:
[24:31] All that was and then the BYU Creamery night man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:35] I never had that one and we never wanted the creamery and I was there for a while I don’t remember.

Kurt Francom:
[24:40] If they really want to raise some funds for the missionary program they should like have a monthly night or that where they open the cafeteria up for anybody to pay you know 15 bucks of a person come back,
enjoy the experience going to Ball Z.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:55] Who in their right mind would pay $15 to eat empty Seafood are you out of your mind.

Kurt Francom:
[25:01] It’s not about the food it’s not about the quality of food is about.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:04] No it is it is about the food cuz otherwise I’ll just give 15 other wise I’ll just donate $15 to the missionary fund if I’m actually trying to do a fundraising model where I’m getting something immediate out of it.

Kurt Francom:
[25:15] Geoff Hey listen I’m going to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:17] Is it really don’t want to See’s candy bar something like.

Kurt Francom:
[25:19] I’m going to file that one away right next to Virtual Reality Temple ceremonies okay I’m just saying that I thought about these ideas first I’m putting them away so that I get the credit when these.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:29] Why have you not contacted contact the the mission president in the Pro Bowl on.

Kurt Francom:
[25:34] Oh yeah I’ll probably just hang out by the entrance until.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:37] Nothing could think about the hint think about the security leading Saints presents MTC reunions night,
you get your branding all over that people show up.

Kurt Francom:
[25:49] You like you can reserve a bunk to to sleep in for the night,
you can.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:58] Do you miss the tree of.

Kurt Francom:
[26:00] If you want I mean the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:02] They got rid of it the street that the tree of life I blew his phase out though cuz I’ll private sell an hour.

Kurt Francom:
[26:05] It was and and I’m still seeing my therapist about the trip.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:11] I will never forget my first experience I I think I made it two days without having a couple of privates dolls,
the other side of the room so my first couple of days I managed to NAB those I kind of kept tabs on who was going to wear my guest and then you know I got to get up and shower.

Kurt Francom:
[26:27] And then after we can you know three or four you’re just like hasn’t is always been comfortable it was weird it was a weird moment in our.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:36] The weirdest mom.

Kurt Francom:
[26:37] It’s not just our our church it’s our culture that this was.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:40] The weirdest moment about the Tree of Life actual was the way it was designed it makes sense but when you think about it I’ve never had more than three guys on it perfectly spaced out in even thirds around.

Kurt Francom:
[26:51] At 6.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:52] But there’s six nozzle so you could have,
6 being there and realizing if you’re facing the pole and you have someone off till I cure to someone after 10 that’s fine if I had somebody hanging out,
write down there like 4 and somewhere my 8 that would have been much more uncomfortable.

Kurt Francom:
[27:17] This these memories make it so I mean it makes it makes the mission right so this is we need to have a reunions I we don’t do the shower thing but we empty.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:28] We should definitely make everyone show up and how group shower that should be fun.

Kurt Francom:
[27:31] No it is not an option I’m not going Jeff if that’s a thing but I’m thinking of you,
reserve a bank you can walk around your own old the Halls go to your classroom and the size of a broom closet and learn a language you don’t understand as you silently weep for your mother I mean there’s so many options
Adidas.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:55] What was 18 m is at the big meeting room 18 and was a big meeting place in 19 and was like the gym next to it right.

Kurt Francom:
[28:04] I thought 18 yes yeah I forget.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:07] 17 m i don’t what was the actors or they teen in the gym.

Kurt Francom:
[28:13] People are screaming at their their podcast play right now with your right answer and we.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:17] I don’t remember any of this all I remember is the weird guy who’s always say who directed the music and said we do not stand for the hymns of Zion unless directed to do so many and you know exactly what I’m talking about.

Kurt Francom:
[28:27] Yeah that was that was the only Power Trip he ever gotten so he he rode that is as far as it would go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:33] Every time you said that I look around and be like what’s the problem here like I’m standing no one’s doing anything wrong man like what do you want.

Kurt Francom:
[28:39] Oh yeah good time.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:42] You bet your big weirdo so anyway the poor missionaries in Guatemala will no longer have any of these experiences that we have been discussing and to my knowledge the MTC there’s not particularly old either.

Kurt Francom:
[28:52] Will they will have an MPC experience it just won’t be in Guatemala right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:55] Yeah it’ll be according to Daniel Woodruff Church Smokes on the other go to the Mexico MTC which is well as well equipped to accommodate large groups of missionaries who are being trained in the Spanish language the weather would be,
what’s a year plans for future use of the facilities will be determined by local leaders,
which is usually what they say they don’t say much else about it all we know is they’re going to shut it down if closing number of MTC
in recent years I’m I looted to Madrid which is where I went to the MTC that one’s gone was Japan interested also closed down,
they’ve been closing a lot of them though so I don’t know if what that means like in the ass.

Kurt Francom:
[29:41] I’m trying to figure out your system here Jeff that the colors on these new story mean something I forgive they are so I’m just I’m just going to grab one and run.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:47] It literally said it when you click on the card it’ll tell you what the label means.

Kurt Francom:
[29:51] Does look so this is a mention yeah let’s not do that one thing I wanted to go,
was down here I doing this one Jeff to our church is it failing our friends over at by Common consent which is a pop popular popular Twitter accounts while their website that has a Twitter.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:09] There is there one of the most prominent.

Kurt Francom:
[30:11] Yes they have 24 and a half thousand followers.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:16] They’re verified on Twitter I asked them how they got verified and all they did was real back and said it was very difficult another glass nice but I was looking for kind of a road map here.

Kurt Francom:
[30:24] They got a buddy that works at Twitter so,
they talk about the one box opinion people don’t want less Church they want better Church they have a one experiences that bring them together they want to feel like they belong to something bigger and worthwhile so they started this thread about is,
two hour Church working and they are they are sort of I don’t know if the defending or bringing up the point that maybe,
come follow me is working maybe you know the Home Center approaches working but that to our church experienced a sort of falling flat is an issuing discussion what do you think Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:01] I get what you’re saying so it’s basically all this other stuff we’re trying to work out like another youth program having more Homesteader Family Center Church all that stuff is good,
the two hours were spending together every Sunday or not as good as the previous three hours were
that’s what we’re getting a trick that’s the argument I could see I could see some of that church feels it’s still what you make of it,
but I think in the air of trying to be home centered it appears that we almost like taking the onus of learning
off of our church experience and I think I still have some pretty worthwhile Sacrament meetings and for the most part our Sunday school has been okay but I find often if the grab-bag of a teacher just going up and sank presenter of the past two weeks what do you want to hit on is that supposed to
thoughtfully preparing lesson materials of course can be
altered in the moment based on the spirit and I want another discussion goes but I could see it I don’t mind if it’s only 2 hours long but I feel like I barely talk to anybody when I’m there cuz we’re just with kids in Sacramento weed up the kids and we just go to class. So cool this is fun.

Kurt Francom:
[32:02] Yeah I think there’s like a precious moments of 3-hour church is like in between in the transition periods right where you will go and Elders Quorum you got maybe five six minutes
let me know brother that you’re somewhat familiar with you talk to him how’s your week and how’s work going how’s that project on whatever it is and and those were the precious moments and obviously
you know that the content in the in the formal structure was was great but it’s just that Community aspect it feels very much rushed I mean
church still the I mean even though you wonder how we ever did through our church it’s still it’s still feels short I mean it’s just like well.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:40] Yes and no Elders Quorum now feels like a freaking eternity oh my God,
and the funny thing is everyone I get it for Sunday School,
but we’ve all been so concerned about how do we adjust for elders Quorum and relief society and I’ve been like dude there’s no adjustment that was a 50 minutes session it always has been we’ve changed absolutely nothing
as far as the timetable but there’s like let’s get rid of open the exercise is in a him and being together,
ioi very much disagree with all that because I thought it was useful for the young man to sit with the adult man and we sing songs together and we kind of have like sometime like what you’re alluding to some other time to sort of bond together for the Young.

Kurt Francom:
[33:20] There’s a lot less formal moments right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:23] See the adults and kind of have some laughs then break and now you just show up in Elders Quorum there’s not even a prayer,
there’s a couple of announcements that’s like let’s get into the lesson and I looked at my watch and I’m like dude we literally have like 48 minutes left for a lesson to go over a conference talk.

Kurt Francom:
[33:39] Which,
done effectively it could be a great 48 minutes right either but a lot of the time we’re just in this tradition of all right paragraph.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:49] Watch the talk no it’s always let’s watch the talk at the great way for a teacher to Kilt 7 to 12 minutes based on who speaking and then talk about the trip when they’ve been good lessons is gone by better so it speaks very much to why,
the importance of teaching Elders Quorum and I think I’m I’m sure been guilty of this too but like if you’re pregnant and you’re in a position to influence your lesson,
try to think of good ways to make it worthwhile for everyone attending I’ve been in coram’s now it’s pretty much like I don’t know how I feel about this model but basically in Ark Orem everyone,
it’s a grab bag of tasks different members of the quorum to teach,
the new considers not on a set called Elders Quorum instructor or two who were the ones who can plan around it’s just kind of everybody doing everything which is everyone an opportunity,
that’s nice.

Kurt Francom:
[34:39] Mission on the this week in Mormons but if you know what you’re to go back to 19 the 1940s 1950s and construct a perfect floor plan for our church experience with Roadshow shows and community events and you know that require stages and Arjun nazianz in
and smaller classrooms and these things like it would be,
the typical format we have now but I think we should have outgrown that that I found especially in Utah where we have older buildings that have been around awhile that the floor plan itself
makes the church the 2-hour Church experience little bit awkward because as we’ve shifted to this getting away from the lecture format to more the discussion but then
yellow sperm has to meet in the chapel and discussion in there is very difficult to do when it’s hard to hear and or people passing on a mic so there’s this these little nuances that,
maybe they they understood and expected but they’re hard to do. Can’t just
change them with by changing our church for matinenda Jen.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:43] Yeah the structural things hit us a little bit to we had to rearrange like where we held,
primary versus priesthood from where I was before just because we swapped rooms with them basically just because they needed more space because of all this other stuff and it’s,
yeah.
the facility’s ramifications is an interesting thing to what is it structurally about like the way your buildings organize you mean just because of the way the rooms are used and now having it be 2 hours you had to just alter where you meet and that’s had a 1/8 of a factor.

Kurt Francom:
[36:13] Well I guess it it beat it really begins with the combining of the elders and high priests that now,
somebody smaller Priester rooms didn’t work so now the only place to go is the cultural hall or which is very difficult to know what they are going to hear or they the chapel which is sort of the same reasons maybe not as bad as a quilt and sew
if you know this way sort of I think it would be
beneficial for war split a Corum sooner than maybe there is traditionally known you know she’s having a two Elders quorums with the size of maybe.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:47] Okay you Utah problems all right.

Kurt Francom:
[36:51] Sorry I had to go there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:54] Splitting Elders Quorum the scripture don’t allow for it when there’s only 20 you know the numbers read the Doctrine and Covenants.

Kurt Francom:
[37:01] What’s what’s the minimum isn’t it just a maximum.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:06] No I don’t know that that’s supposed to say like you don’t split it and admittedly I’m not I’m not I’m shaky on with Section 8.

Kurt Francom:
[37:12] Spider-Man that has like a gotcha question.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:15] Yes you did.

Kurt Francom:
[37:16] Is it 96 is the maximum right,
I think it was they were pretty clear that you know you can and I’ve seen it before like you can you can split a quorum even if you don’t hit that 96 number.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:29] You know what I think is another interesting issue and I’m not knocking and I’m not knocking Homesteader door to our church I think it’s,
wild but I worried to screen of the sort of tenor of of trying to be so home focused that people are more reticent,
to get involved in like church activities like I feel in my world there is a great reluctance to,
plan activities that are our rights are bigger or involve more time or I guarantee if someone said folks we should do a Roadshow are going to be like I don’t know that involved a lot of time out of the home like that and like there’s this mentality might have already been there before and we don’t want to
tax people too hard but now it’s almost seems like,
what we want to stay away from the church building as much as humanly possible and just show up for our two hours and dropped into mutual once a week or whatever that’s going to be under the new program that will someday find out about and.

[38:23] That just makes me sad because it one thing is always make me so happy in my life is just outside of all the actual hey I’m at church doing Church things it’s just the whole socialization side of it I’m having fun with your word family,
planning a reasonably big like Christmas party that actually involves effort and time from people because you’re putting that you’re not trying to do like the bare minimum just to say cool we had a party let’s just make sure not to keep the families,
busy or out of the keep get people out of their homes like church to be so much more than that I worry that we’re lose going to lose the community element when we’re trying to be so Home Center.

Kurt Francom:
[38:59] Right now I think a lot of that goes to I think that’s more of like this the overall culture and general that in the 60 seventies and eighties you didn’t have this emphasis on community extracurricular
stuff like you know leagues and you know it seems like if you’re if you play baseball or basketball as it is a youth you know in the local
do you know rec league or whatever it’s much more of a commitment than maybe in the 80s or 70s where it was just sort of like,
maybe you do it and the church was much more of a center of community and we’ve just lost that I don’t know sitting is the church has faltered but it’s just,
start of the shift of our culture in general and the media you know
there’s more media options and distractions that way that you know we didn’t have Netflix to the bin Trends back it in that time so you look towards the church and the Roadshow as a great you wouldn’t get the kids in the family out of the house and go enjoy this community event and it’s sad that that’s gone but
I don’t know how we get it back without completely transforming the culture we are in.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:01] But maybe we need to I’m at where we going to be at the church if,
our church is really a bunch of little like individual every Ward is a bunch of separate little fiefdoms of families who just get together once a week so they can take the sacrament and then sort of you know Cruz their way through whatever the second hour happens to be that Sunday,
I got a course people are still working on Church stuff outside of that I know plenty of people who aren’t using up their exhausting plenty of time and resources to help members of the ward.

Kurt Francom:
[40:28] And maybe that
maybe that’s the next phase and obviously I don’t want to speculate on where the church is head with these things but it seems like there’s been a regrouping of like the family after an in-home but now the pendulum swung that way too far and hopefully we find a balance with okay well how do we,
as a is a strong group of Families how do we become a strong Community right and now that Unity within our communities and in the hopefully the church is at the center of that but interesting times.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:53] I mean yeah we should be the whole notion of a ward movie called a ward witch,
how to have a church contact I was talking to a colleague recently in explaining our structuring I said it we said what we have a parish,
is we caught a ward in there like a ward cuz War has like a weird connotation we were thinking of,
you think it is like Ruben you think the urban blight and stuff like that like over there and you know the lower 9th ward in New Orleans or or DCS Ward and that’s but we we call them that because of church history one that would sell these cities,
and we just divvy up the city geographically and of course that’s why you lived in like the first ward of Independence and the second ward it was literally a ward in the urban planning sat and we just carry that over,
would like that Ward was your community and it still can be but I just died.

Kurt Francom:
[41:39] It was more synonymous with Community than your church who you meet with on Sunday right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:44] Like you went to church but because of church life is all encompassing it with the ward was your immediate community and I’m swerving to drift away from that,
and the church is going to be a place for some ordinances and construction but otherwise we’re going to feel like we’re a little more autonomous or no isolate.

Kurt Francom:
[42:00] Yeah and that’s what I would say that like I think
like these are all great points and perspectives and I think it’s natural sort of wait around for the church to like introduced that programmer how we’re going to do it but really I think this just isn’t it’s on our shoulders to take the initiative and look outward and say you know how can we can we do this you know how can we use that the stage more effectively where the gymnasium right near the cultural Hall whatever you want to call it and
and I think that’s just up to the lay members to to make it happen so here’s your invitation to a nation.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:32] And my last bit though I question whether the weird alternating structure II our is serving the purpose of should,
I mean we got gospel Doctrine,
two weeks a month that sometimes less if something else comes up in like General Conference or what-have-you all the sudden you go like a month without having a Sunday school lesson I just like the continuity especially for the Youth.

Kurt Francom:
[42:56] Will very much felt like they split
the baby right that the Sunday school and the priesthood Relief Society hours that they were such institutions that it’s like what how do you just get rid of one and and I don’t think they’ve literally
consider that maybe they did I don’t know but I mean how do you say they just sort of split the baby right like okay we’ll just do every other week but then that started just Waters down that experience in general and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:18] Yeah it is,
from what I’ve been told there was a plan to revise the curriculum with come follow me as a separate thing where we saw three our church and then the Revelation and the thought came to move to to our church,
wow come follow me developed for a 3-hour block was already in the works and they just adapted it,
and so I would understand that from 2019 but it appears in 2020 were going ahead with the same model and nobody’s rethinking whether it works. That’s it I’m sure people are thinking all the time I’m acutely aware of all,
well there we go good times they’re all around now,
let’s see what kind of shoot at you real fast my friend imma give you a couple quick Temple news things cuz those are fun to check out there by the way,
Temple predictions everybody are coming your way you will have.

Kurt Francom:
[44:11] It gets its own episode right Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:13] That is the Hope yes yes Kurt does not care.

Kurt Francom:
[44:16] I do care cuz they keep skipping over West Valley City.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:20] It’s never going to happen.

Kurt Francom:
[44:21] There’s a great I know exactly where it could go you know what they just call me if you’re listening Church Edwards call me I can help you they don’t wear too much of the hood.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:32] A lot happened this year so what happened this week we got a couple of rendering for temples announced groundbreaking for a temple in a location revealed
for a temple all of the ones that have all been recently announced so first of all of the newest temple in California the first temple in California since 2006 in Yuba City but will be known as the Feather River California Temple
the design was revealed going to be a modest please average size Temple 30 a thousand square feet. Small not huge it looks fine,
play architecture Liam like it’s fine there’s nothing to jumps at me and said this temples hardcore man look at this Temple this is legit,
it’s good it’s going to be good and it’s going to be in just a random spot of land in Yuba City like kind of near like the courthouse and a mall,
they’re not building in like a new residential development is what I’m saying which is often wear these things go it just looks like it’s just going to be kind of plopped in Middletown may be great and another one due to all of Valley this one pertains to you because I was on the other side of the mountain of your.

Kurt Francom:
[45:38] Skip right over my home base and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:40] The flu are there.

Kurt Francom:
[45:41] I’m happy for the Twill of people that they need one too.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:43] They do cuz even though Tooele is geographically it’s not crazy far you know if you were to go as the crow flies to like the Oquirrh Mountain Temple it’s only like 17 miles away but after.

Kurt Francom:
[45:55] Utah standards it’s it’s a drive day due to do Temple session.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:58] And they go to Salt Lake
that’s a big old with the Salt Lake Temple which is of course closing as well in the near future for renovations so they announce the location of their Temple and if you know the Tooele Valley it’s basically a triangle of population centers if I’m not mistaken you cut up Stansbury Park,
on one node too well and then Grantsville right sort of a triangle and then they announced the temple to go kind of smack in the middle of all of them in Urdu,
Gerda have you been to erda.

Kurt Francom:
[46:26] Probably I I don’t make my way out there to off.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:31] The people are apparently very excited this has been well received a lot people were actually hoping it would go in erda because it’s a nice sort of equidistant location for everybody involved in the temple District are the big downside though everybody is going to be built,
it’s going to involve the closure of bird Briggs a very popular restaurant on the corner of Arrow Highway.

Kurt Francom:
[46:52] I loved your article Jeff that you turned a temple location reveal into 400 words and it bite you also did that by reading reviews from the local restaurant that it will be.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:03] Mavericks everyone loves Virg’s,
it was it was funny that actually gets good reviews but it’s funny that I mention this is one of our listeners said oh by the way here’s something new the church is actually good they’re going to tear down Birds to accommodate this I thought the temple might go just off of the intersection but no no,
turn to swoop in and burgers going to close down people.

Kurt Francom:
[47:24] Go get your where they cook their hamburgers.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:27] Middle America garbage.

Kurt Francom:
[47:31] I’m sure it’s delicious,
many priesthood meeting ice cream post ice cream trips.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:40] I’m sure they’ll find a way to make it all work another quick Temple now so that I love the they announce the groundbreaking for the Puebla Mexico Temple which will be on November 30th
and they released an image of it which for some reason is not loading on her website right now but it is a gorgeous,
building I am a huge fan of what they’ve done here this is the best design temple in a very long.

Kurt Francom:
[48:04] Whoa is that hyperbole Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:08] No it’s it’s like they hit all the marks they didn’t say how big it’s going to be a looks like it’s kind of an average-sized Temple near Mexico City,
the style of the Spanish tile the cupola the,
Spanish Colonial architecture involved but it doesn’t look like this isn’t like they’re trying to put any kind of a slightly modern twist like they’re just building a really beautiful,
cool looking building with a lot of old school flare I think it’s awesome in a while and temples are all wonderful but.

Kurt Francom:
[48:44] That’s why they haven’t announced the West Valley City Temple Jeff is there still working on the design okay it’s going to be epic.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:50] Fisher treasure.

Kurt Francom:
[48:52] Or they’ll just take a look I’ll Stake Center in upgraded a little bit.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:56] Yeah so do I stay tuned for a podcast for this weekend the actual Temple predictions that we have for General Conference are currently published live on this week in Mormons. Com you can go.

Kurt Francom:
[49:06] Give us one Jeff was one Temple prediction he got.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:09] Papua New Guinea,
we’ve we’ve called that one before,
it might be time but honestly might my highest one my two highest ones are either in Sierra Leone maybe Liberia but I’m taking more Sierra Leone and Mongolia those are kind of my big to Happy’s,
other ones might happen but I’d be surprised.

Kurt Francom:
[49:32] I think Mongolia will happen just for that the flare of it right I mean to say Mongolian General Conference it temples going there there’s going to be a hush in the crap.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:44] Yeah yeah oh my gosh Kurt were like 15 minutes and we’ve done nothing.

Kurt Francom:
[49:49] Well there’s really nothing in the news at which takes me to this article which I hesitate cuz politics right now are just so ugly and but it was this article is our Mormons stuck in the GOP written by,
the Washington examiner and Mormons uneasy with Trump are stuck with the GOP and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:09] You’re stuck you have no choice you have to be a republican you have to be a republican it’s in the temple.

Kurt Francom:
[50:15] I do yeah they they forces here with our guns they forces by gunpoint to go right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:20] Except they can’t accept they can’t do it anymore during the interview cuz got some big band meeting house it’s so now they have to have your temple recommend interview somewhere.

Kurt Francom:
[50:30] So it was at base of the article just talks about the some there’s the I don’t know if you’re aware of this opinion Jeff that to Trump isn’t the most upstanding individuals morally and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:45] I think I think badgering world leaders into doing your political Dirty Work is it is a normal upstanding way to go.

Kurt Francom:
[50:51] Same reason why I am not going to go for it,
the article that says about this a conundrum that the Mormons find themselves and when in reality,
maybe those on the other side of the aisle would say it’s quite a conundrum for Democrats as well that the reality is is politics just ugly and there’s just
crazy people trying to run run the thing and I think I a great bumper sticker I saw today in the grocery store parking lot was
I’m a responsible adult 20/20 like any responsible adult or said something like that right that we just we just need,
big fat reset button in politics and in that doesn’t mean that that includes every party I’m just going to say it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:40] I’m genuinely concerned that America is actually in its inexorable decline,
which makes me like I’m genuinely worried that we’re at the point the Republic is just like we’re not going to recover from this and this is it this is one American influence wanes and this is one we just Drift Away,
as a country and eventually we break up because some states like California get fed up with the whole thing and bail and then it just becomes not immediate,
but I’m very worried that in the next 15 years. 1550 I’m concerned about how my.

Kurt Francom:
[52:16] We need an Abe Lincoln out there Jeff Cuz.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:18] We need a white.

Kurt Francom:
[52:19] The world and that’s leadership.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:21] A white horse.

Kurt Francom:
[52:22] Whitehorse and which is not Doctrine but maybe it’ll still happening and every Latter Day Saint will be interesting a guy on a white horse.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:33] Hey so what’s up with Peggy Fletcher stack she wrote some article this week about like.

Kurt Francom:
[52:39] She’s trying to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:40] It just says you know it says the LDS president Russell Nelson has an entire church trying to keep up with a 95 year old first of all that’s,
Aloo that’s disparaging towards 95 year old as if they are not able to leave the way in any other circumstance of shame on you Peggy shame on you for your ageism secondly,
this article more seems like an exercise and Link building like I think they’re just kind of doing a recap of the past 18 months or so and linking to all of their other articles about President Nelson,
now there’s a little bit of a time when I know about all the different things that have continued you know they were revised policies for Bishops use interviews allowing one person in the room,
combine the priesthood quorum,
how we dumped Mormon and LDS of course will you cut the 3-hour block they were Vice Temple ceremonies and in January and other change the endowment February this year we allowed missionaries to call home weekly
April they rescinded the November policy for lgbtq couples and their kids,
May the permitted couples to marry civilly and then be sealed in the temple without the one-year waiting. Of course so things have definitely happened not that they have it,
I just don’t understand the large.

Kurt Francom:
[54:01] He got to get that Twitter following up so that you’re ready for General Conference Tweety.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:07] I’m ready I’m ready.

Kurt Francom:
[54:09] You’re ready Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:11] Come on card take me to take me to a couple other items you got some stuff here come on come on hit me.

Kurt Francom:
[54:14] Oh we got here I want everybody to you may not be familiar with the name James.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:21] This is the one you’re going with I’d go ahead no no.

Kurt Francom:
[54:26] Okay alright I mean James Quran is that how you say his name in Korean.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:30] James James current James Elderberry I’m going to call and change.

Kurt Francom:
[54:36] Also known as James the Mormon or jtm and you guys sent this some love to this this guy he’s sort of in a crisis Point here with the,
figuring out who is audience is and who is targeting and so they asked three questions on FOX 13 and he’s,
he’s feeling,
not enough you know he just feels jaded I think a little bit against the he says half the church hate them so let’s let’s show him that it’s only 40%.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:09] Hey that’s what I don’t get like what’s his issue.

Kurt Francom:
[55:13] I think there’s a bit of hyperbole in his state.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:15] Order my big Z saying like you know we talked about this before like he’s going to church and people are treating him weird I mean he hasn’t done anything particularly radical it’s not like he asked if I was you strapped to try to spread the god.

Kurt Francom:
[55:29] I think this is this is the case of the Trap you fall into when you read the comments online no matter what platform you are you never read the comments and he did and half a tomato.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:41] Can’t do that to people are mean people are very very very mean people at 3rd hour show third hour,
third hour is like dropping a sugar cube on your tongue and expecting to be nourished so.

Kurt Francom:
[56:00] There’s wonderful people there Jeff just going to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:03] They’re Blatz of wonderful people doing shallow things in the world I mean it’s fine.

Kurt Francom:
[56:09] That doesn’t make him a bad person right so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:11] Not not in the least there’s wonderful people doing mediocre work so 3rd hour,
it’s full of great things but there’s are going on vinyl this week and admittedly
I am one of the shallow people who saw most of the headline and briefly looked at it since I’ll be fun to share on Twin people and get a kick out of this what else is cool story the headline reads Baptist preacher Praises Book of Mormon for solid 10 minutes,
and sermon,
and there’s pictures of the man and he is just he is just going off now as Latter Day Saints you say oh yeah oh yeah this is the moment this is some guy from The Book of Mormon and he is going to risk it all,
and preach the truth to people okay,
well let’s look at the first comment here from scapa who I think is a genius and says I hate to be a downer and I’m glad this man as a testimony,
but the well basically he’s a baptized member of our church and the southern baptist don’t regard him as an actual Baptist Minister like you just said he’s about.

Kurt Francom:
[57:12] He is baptized.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:14] Yeah he’s a baptized member of our church he still a member even though doesn’t appear to be active anymore
used to be an active member for many years he claims that his calling to be a bridge between Baptist and Mormons which is why he claimed to be a Baptist Minister and which according to him is the reason he is no longer active in Archer.

Kurt Francom:
[57:31] He needs a podcast Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:33] He’s also has a is a member of the third hour for him so he has stuff on there it’s a good, if they look anything nothing nothing against this guy seems like a nice guy trying to build Bridges but this like a classic example of a,
we just jump on the random headlines without getting it we’re going.

Kurt Francom:
[57:54] I Googled his name and found several articles from baptisia or not a fan and switch.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:00] Of course they wouldn’t be I mean when the true.

Kurt Francom:
[58:02] If you’ve mended about baptist anybody preaching the The Book of Mormon is is not going to be applauded in their circles to say.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:11] I know it’s a shame I actually this excerpt this isn’t wasn’t Baptist but this reminds me of one of Jeff borders earlier convert files posts on our block as a column there a talk about how he was invited to go and preach,
like an Evangelical Church at one time as a member of our church maybe think about that you know what it was a receptive audience but we can do,
anything else Kurt.

Kurt Francom:
[58:39] I will mention that Robert Kirby’s article in the Salt Lake Tribune and as a very very Orthodox conservative Latter Day Saints you may think that,
I don’t like to read Robert Kirby while I don’t read all those articles but I argue that every Orthodox member of the church,
needs to read Robert Kirby’s calling from time to time because I guarantee there’s probably 10 Robert Kirby’s in your ward
at the moment so he talks about this concept of church Authority verse the blessing of being yourself and just I think it’s a good read this in these always makes it fun and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:12] What’s it what’s it about to give us the.

Kurt Francom:
[59:14] Basically that you know growing up the saw it’s easy it’s easy and it in our culture to sort of
keep the Commandments or or feed into the culture of being you know the good Latter Day Saint boy or girl and keep the Commandments where he saw right side as you know
I had the Aztecs were at the church but rather just be himself in consider the consequences and maybe I choose the alternative path of the consequences don’t necessarily look as threatening as,
as as other cell Bernardo check it out.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:47] All right before we leave you this week I think we’d be remiss if we did not at least Hit Upon some of the conference rumors as we are going to General Conference you know a lot last time in April,
after so much institutional change radical shift I think it was kind of surprising that the conference was pretty much of a kind of by the numbers you know what we expect,
organizationally from conference right nothing crazy happened and even president Nelson got up for the temple announcements and made a point to say,
basically saying look this was kind of a lot of fun when everyone was getting hooting and hollering and having a good time but these are sacred buildings and let’s kind of act accordingly.

Kurt Francom:
[1:00:23] I think he’s going to say it again.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:25] He might I was glad I was glad he said that last time cuz I what I said this before but I really appreciate it,
it seems that some of those announcements he made in 2018 that even he was sort of laughing up the mood in the room you know kind of just really enjoying how it helped kind of dramatic and amusing all of this wasn’t away,
and I like to think that even he I don’t know if he was necessarily admonished by God for it but he might even take the time to reflect and send me what am I doing is a liter,
if I am sort of tacitly encouraging this kind of thing it’s more like that you got up and just reminded us,
please don’t poop don’t holler them clap don’t just buy do the great announcements we can all be happy about it and let’s move on so that happened,
in a couple of things have happened since last conference like we mentioned they changed the there’s no more waiting. If you get sealed
or if you get married civilly you can just go to the temple whenever you want that was one thing that was rumored but I’d say the big one that I’ve seen floating around is about missionary.

[1:01:27] Particularly this time where they are sent and how so,
there’s only a certain number of missionaries it fluctuates a little bit of by and large that is what we could call a finite resource right and we always have to figure out how to distribute those missionaries around the world,
and for a long time it’s simply been just spread them all around the world some missions are bigger and smaller and have more and fewer missionaries
but reportedly in this is according to some individuals who have said that state their stake leaders have been given a heads up about this.

[1:02:00] They’re going to yank missionaries,
out of underperforming areas or more established areas and rely upon the members to do the missionary work and then send the missionaries who we should remind you are called as teachers not as finders their job is to teach that’s what you are called and set apart to do as a missionary,
and send them to places where they can do a lot of teaching basically so nice translation would be.

[1:02:24] Bye-bye a lot of North America and Europe probably like no more missionaries in your ward and they’ll probably get sent to Africa and South America and Asia,
of course a rumor but I also feel like one of the few rumors that actually kind of makes sense with where we’re going as far as a,
as far as the church giving us opportunities to take it upon ourselves to know where take we’re home centering our study were giving the youth the opportunity to own this
why would we not remove the crutch and force board members to get serious about missionary work on their own if they were going to do so.

Kurt Francom:
[1:02:59] What if we handled it just like a risk board and we put every last missionary in Brazil until we were like 80% of of the population.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03:08] That doesn’t work everyone knows you got a hole up in Australia and then you fan out across southeast Asia as you take over so.

Kurt Francom:
[1:03:12] That’s true that’s true gif.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03:16] Results way too vulnerable you could take a taxi from also,
I don’t need these are rumors of course I don’t like to perpetuate the rumor for rumor sick but I think it’s interesting to,
first us to be aware of ideas there might be in the church I don’t know obviously we don’t know one way or the other whether this will happen but what are your thoughts on that particular concept.

Kurt Francom:
[1:03:36] On his first missionary to go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03:38] If missionaries really are things like guess what like they’re gone like we’re pulling all the missionaries out of California there’s not going to be there anymore we’re sending them somewhere else more like about attrition more or less.

Kurt Francom:
[1:03:52] Yeah I mean in general I love I love the idea because especially in the recent shift of you know minimizing of callings and such like really,
strengthening the ward missionary program and and saying okay brother and sister Jones you and four other couples you are teaching your going to set you apart as missionaries and when there’s a discussion need that you’re going to make that happen,
I think it be exciting I especially anything related to Mission stuff like there’s been so much talk about you know that you know these mission calls and wait till conference I’m that rumor just never I think it was going.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:29] That one Never Dies.

Kurt Francom:
[1:04:30] 30 years I just wanted volume issue I program you just a little more skeptical but I also didn’t think to our church what happened so what.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:40] Yeah I mean who knows what could happen I could see I see the logic I see the logic behind this being something that could be taken to God,
for approval where I can understand where someone would come from with it I mean really if you look at it,
in an obvious way like we are an institution that’s largely run like a corporation structurally,
and yet the way we allocate missionaries runs against simple concepts of return on investment right like weed Instead try to blank of them evenly and let them be there
when if you were using the mindset of being a smart with your resources you can you say no I want to check my valuable resources at the best-performing area to get the most out of it,
so it would make sense just in that and then that that structural way of doing things,
we’ll see what happens of course lots of rumors that go around conference you can read about them at our little sort of Roundup article that we have over on the website if you want but that’s the one big one that stuck out to me,
this time around I don’t know if it was a drink conference even if it does happen they’re they’re pretty big on a lot of these news dumps.

Kurt Francom:
[1:05:45] Right I think they’ve moved away from General Conference announcements unless I mean I don’t know I’m trying to think what they would announce their was so big I mean I would
if they could do it over again I doubt they do the 2-hour church announcement outside of General Conference cuz that such a big change.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:06:00] That’s what that’s what that’s a w change and combining priesthood quorums made sense and that involved a lot of people explaining how it be but this is the kind of thing you can handle in the news release and then with some additional follow up,
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Kurt Francom:
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Kurt Francom:
[1:07:27] I think you should track blouses to Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:07:29] We do track buses there’s a female component and we’ll have to bring that out this time because there’s no priest in meeting this weekend there’s only the women’s meeting so.

Kurt Francom:
[1:07:37] Yeah I want I’ll put a plug in for the one of my favorite things to follow different during general conference is the general conference notes or somebody’s cray today,
Google doc that they share with everybody so it’s like a community effort to take notes and so if you’re ever looking for a quote or what was said you can always go there and find.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:08:00] That is good Kurt York know I’ve seen that too it’s really great that you’re doing great things are going to go to Leading Saints. Org,
interactive Community subscribe your course are also welcome to be a donating member of the leading Saints Community where I’m not going to lie you will get more Roi then you will from this,
since we’re speaking of those Notions I’ll just be frank I’m not very good at putting on a game face and BSN people into doing things that’s why I be terrible sales but,
Kurt does great work and I stand by him 1000% so I hope.

Kurt Francom:
[1:08:33] Myself and my marketing degree we’re good team so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:08:36] Yeah it’s funny cuz I work in Communications here I am,
I believe in that product and I believe in this thanks for taking the time to 2 and we hope you have a great General Conference and,
did you get lots of good things out of it and we hope you will share with us your insights and engage with us on social media as you do so so otherwise for Kurt,
I’m Jeff this is been this weekend Mormon be well be holy and be happy.

Kurt Francom:
[1:09:03] Happy General Conference.