On this special bonus edition of This Week in Mormons, we thought it would be fun to bring our semiannual temple predictions, which were just published a few days ago, to you in podcast form! Join Geoff Openshaw and Joe Peterson as they audible hash out temple predictions, explaining their choices, and lambasting those who disagree with them. Hear the voices of these nuanced scholars!

Also worth checking out is this cool temple predictions matrix that amalgamates temple predictions from across the Bloggernaccle, assigns them a weighted score, and provides rankings, accordingly. It’s pretty excellent!

You could read the transcript, but you might as well just read the predictions in another tab while listening. That will give you the more robust TWiM experience.

Transcript

Joe Peterson:
[0:00] I’m very sorry Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:07] Everybody works out to do a little something here on this week in Mormons this week I am of course Geoff openshaw of your wonderful tour guide around this exciting place I’m joined,
for the special episode by none other than Joseph Angie Peterson.

Joe Peterson:
[0:24] Oh man that takes me back yeah it’s my first time so pardon. I didn’t mean to rain on your parade there so are there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:32] I don’t think it’s your first time I think you did one episode of twin with me I don’t even know.

Joe Peterson:
[0:36] I did write it was with our wives back in the day yeah yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:40] Oh we did do that one with the wives back in the day when we when we were neighbors and that was our.

Joe Peterson:
[0:45] That was fun.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:46] That was a good show so Jo tell us about yourself and why you are involved in the Twin what is your relevance to being here and why are we here today.

Joe Peterson:
[0:56] Well Jeff I no longer your neighbor but according to what I’m reading that you wrote is that I am a sometimes social media and huge twin cheerleader.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:09] Yes that sounds about right.

Joe Peterson:
[1:10] I would also add you know I’m I’m a contributor you know I don’t write a ton but I.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:15] Okay you’re a contributor.

Joe Peterson:
[1:17] 20 + that are maybe even more than that articles for twin yeah I’ve been around the block with him for a while I I was more involved back in the day especially when we both lived in Virginia doing the social
pretty
pretty regularly and you know mostly on Facebook I think but I will occasionally hear you know now that live in Utah go to various boncom and other type influencer events or whatever,
Maybe,
shootout at We Tour to on behalf of twin but for the most part you and I are just friends and this is a cool thing that you do that I support.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:55] Yeah man now you’ve always avoid the back and you do more than I think people would realize you might not be one of the voices all the time but you are heavily involved.

Joe Peterson:
[2:04] Behind the scenes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:06] You might be listening to this and wondering why on Earth am I here I just heard it episode with Jeff and Kurt like a day ago,
that may be the case where is your temple predictions Joe and I do them together we’ve been doing them together semi-annually for many years now I think we’re going back on and I don’t know if 5S years probably of doing this.

Joe Peterson:
[2:23] At least I think.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:24] And and we decided it would be fun as well as publishing it in written form to produce a podcast,
going over our Temple predictions for conference this weekend Joe and I are a weird area or we just kind of geek out and have a lot of fun I don’t know what it exactly does about it,
but,
I have a lot of fun to sort of trying to prognosticate where temples might be fully understanding that it’s a revelatory process and we have zero insight into what might happen with that,
but it’s still kind of fun to do and see what.

Joe Peterson:
[2:59] Well you know Jeff I’ve thought about this cuz it is kind of a weird area of where you and I both get a little gleeful I might say but
you know when we were roommates way long time ago we quickly learned that both of us are kind of geography Geeks and nerds and and like you know a lot of the the demographics and I think you know,
spliced with twin men with religion and all of those other aspects of life
you know this is kind of this is Xena these Temple predictions articles to really dive into what we like about geography and geopolitics and demographics and things like that in and just have a little fun along the way and play our little game of prognostication
and it says it’s become a beloved tradition.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:45] Yasso,
so diving right in by the way so some of the parameters we work with years ago and president Monson was still still alive he made a reference to the fact that 85% of church membership was within 200 miles of a temple that was kind of cool indicator and a nice.

Joe Peterson:
[4:01] 1 what it is now.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:02] I’m sure it’s changed a lot that’s why I think we’re almost to the point where the 200-mile radius thing might not be,
the best form of analysis but it does still provide a nice visual which is why we maintain a nice map that has the location of every Temple by like lat long and then the 200 mile radius circle around them so you can visualize,
what the actual Geographic coverage quote on quote,
Temple of a temple it and that’s how you can actually see some gaps and then you look where the gaps are and try to see what’s going on that’s how you get to some of our perennial favorites like Rogers Arkansas which it lies outside of a 200-mile radius that’s Northwestern Arkansas,
and,
has a lot of church activity all the things that would say let’s do Temple and of course still hasn’t happened which is why this year we are officially not predicting it and that’s why I expect it to happen this weekend when we when we are fully abandoning so we’re not predicting and everyone it will not happen,
on my way.

Joe Peterson:
[4:55] They just didn’t want to give twin the credit you know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:58] They’re waiting for us to say nothing about it until the finally say look we don’t want people think Tim is pressuring us.

Joe Peterson:
[5:05] Exactly else they might else they might.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:09] Yeah but at the same time the calculus is kind of changed recently hasn’t it show I mean it’s.

Joe Peterson:
[5:16] I think so I mean you still have some that fit that parameter I think primarily in the
in the contiguous 48 of the United States you know Rapid City is kind of I would say a new favorite that is still occupying one of those gaps but yeah I think the calculus has changed not only with,
the way that temples are announced the style of a new president of the church he know that
new leadership new flavor that kind of thing but also just looking at and evolving world and these large mega cities around the world where you know you might have a temple in within that 200 mile circle but that’s not to say that everyone in that Circle has the same ability to travel within it
and so I think those are two big things that were looking at in our in our Temple guess is going forward.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:06] So when you say that I think the obvious example is the second temple in Lima Peru,
the existing Temple was there and citizens the 80s but it was hard for members across a large metropolitan area to get to it so the second temple in the metropolitan area mean we thought the Provo City Center Temple seemed crazy at the time,
but it was also.

Joe Peterson:
[6:24] Going to be the new Norm.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:25] Results of Provo so I agree with you on those things and I also think that we are reaching this place where one we’re kind of saturated in the big Market soon we might have second temples in bigger in big markets,
but also present Nelson is clearly more keen on putting temples in areas that do not,
perhaps check off all the boxes of what one would normally think is required for temple big back what essentially means like the number of steaks or units it would feed it,
now we’re seeing what are small temples announced which is fine,
but small functional buildings and I think we’re going to see more of that especially the small ones are still getting a big ones you know we’ve got the temple in Thailand is gonna be no slouch we seen the rendering it’s going to be a large Urban building
most of the new temples in Utah or is it to top but they’re all like 80,000 square feet and up but I think we’re going to see a sub 2000 square feet,
to get the job done for a smaller people I think that’s great.

Joe Peterson:
[7:18] You know that I don’t think it’s nothing new I mean anything new this is in a lot of ways a legacy of going to be Hinckley you know and what he wanted to,
put forth with these smaller more accessible temples and farther from areas and we I think we gradually sort of drifted away from that as we did that initial sort of
critical mass of all of these different small temples that you see in places like Australia or Mexico but maybe in a way this is President Nelson kind of taking up that Banner again in and,
evolving it to his own his own interpretation of that I think we see that with you know the the temple in is it brazzaville or,
not sure where but,
seems pretty small and in a lot of these these really smaller that structures and buildings that are you know kind of look like just a glorified Chapel in a in a way but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:10] Yeah you’re thinking of there’s a couple different models of this so the temples in Kinshasa and then in the.

Joe Peterson:
[8:16] Kinshasa.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:17] In the Democratic Republic of the Congo which is across the river from Brazil,
Republic of Congo yeah that one it’s it’s it’s it’s a small posterior building there’s no more and I know it looks just like the recently dedicated temple in Haiti as well a lot more.

Joe Peterson:
[8:30] That’s the other one and I believe the Guam Temple looks like that too.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:34] The grand Temple doesn’t look architect lie like that it’s smaller and it does have a Moroni but it’s clearly a pretty small building it’s it’s I don’t think it looks as Spartan as the other two but that’s the temple they’re following in Guam in,
Cabo Verde and I was in Puerto Rico as well they all this we have the same the same floor plan the same look even it’s kind of like many temples 2.0 you know there’s a.

Joe Peterson:
[8:58] I have not yet exactly.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:00] That’s so exciting stuff so without with that said but let’s guess just another give the first one so let’s let’s go out.

Joe Peterson:
[9:06] Well in line with what we were talking about with Lena and you know there is I’ll give a shout out to the twin article that you and I clobbered on I think a couple years ago now on kind of this new trend of seeing these larger
Global cities that are going to have you know not just a Provo but you know like lima or icing can be argued to a greater extent what we’re seeing down in in Brazil,
like with I think it’s Curitiba that’s only 50 miles away from the Rio,
the real one I cannot remember the city,
well it’s there only 50 miles away.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:45] Rio’s not even Rios.

Joe Peterson:
[9:49] Right yeah so what you know we’re seeing cold more clusters a night so in that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:55] Oh oh sorry. Joseph Brooke with the one you’re thinking of is the fact that there’s a Temple and campiness in a temple in South Paulo and they are very.

Joe Peterson:
[10:01] That’s the one that’s the one I’m thinking of you. I knew it I knew it started with a C,
well in that spirit is where I come with this first guess of Guatemala City because as you may know Jeff Guatemala City you currently has,
Temple but this will be I think for the first time one of our predictions being a city that.

[10:28] Artie has a temple nitrogenous area but in the city itself like maybe getting a second one I do want to read actually a quote from when we published that article,
one of the comments below the article was a former professor of BYU,
I’m looking for his name Warner Woodworth,
mentioned that she said many of us anticipated another Lima Temple not so much because of the stakes remembers numbers it boils down more to the fact that many peruvians can afford the bus fare to cross the whole city for a temple
now it will be easier cost less and allow members who work long hours all day to be able to occasionally do a quick Temple session and get back to their busy schedules and the future will see more of this occur in places like San Holo etcetera and I think that just
accentuates your punctuates that the fact that we are in some way already seeing this and I think,
looking at the map in that context makes Guatemala City or right pick for that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:32] Okay,
I could see them in like you mentioned to me and others like there’s 32 steaks and 9 districts are by the Guatemala City Temple which is plenty I mean you could have that would be okay so,
I could go there I’m a little worried because the church did just announced the closure of the MTC,
in Guatemala was it wasn’t very old which is directly correlated but at the same time it is makes me wonder like a foreclosing mtc’s to reallocate resources in that area are bubbling sort of a different vertical but are we,
going to go that route I still think it couldn’t happen it would make sense I’m in the temple in Guatemala City is kind of southeast of the city,
and we have chapels and some Google mapping could even reveal what appear to be some open plots of land that I’ve no idea at the church Owens but got up next to some meeting houses in the morn orthwest and western parts of the area,
I definitely think it could be.

Joe Peterson:
[12:29] Well maybe that maybe other than a canary in the coal mine with the closing of the MTC wasn’t Another Empty that they close that was this beautiful building maybe they’re going to adapt it and transform it into a temple Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:41] There’s there’s been a number of MPC closures in recent years it seems to be the new trend there was a time when we were expanding the NPC’s in trying to make up this localized experience and now it seems we’re going more for Hub and spoke tight bottle warmer really trying to,
make it a large Regional ones like a temple of Brazil a temple in Mexico that kind of a thing in Provo and what have you instead.

Joe Peterson:
[13:02] All I’m saying is maybe it’s Paving the way to a to have a temple in Guatemala another Temple there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:07] It could be it could be so you stand by that pic I could see the case for it I’m with you on that,
I got you now here’s one of mine and this one this one ranks highly by the way Joe as Charity this Temple Matrix let me actually insurance with you before I put this in our chat window,
you will love this someone Incorporated our guesses into a temple Matrix basically taking Temple predictions by prominent prognosticators and then averaging them out by giving everything a score and then ranking out the consensus,
plausibility.

Joe Peterson:
[13:38] Cuz it says so cool.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:40] So
Twitter follower who saw we we haven’t even we publish our Temple predictions but haven’t really publicize them yet,
and yet and yet they follow us and found it so one of the next one here is on,
that list and that is Port Moresby which is the capital of Papua New Guinea if you’ve never even heard of Papua New Guinea I don’t blame you I don’t think the everyday,
play citizen is aware of such country but it occupies the eastern half of the island of New Guinea which is north of Australia the Western half of New Guinea of the island of Guinea is Indonesia
so Papa to get his nesting place at the country gets a lot of bad flag cuz it has it is bad,
stereotypes of like cannibalism and all kinds of stuff like that because they’re on number of a lot of its population still lives in a tribal setup,
in the mountains pretty isolated from everything else however Papua New Guinea does have a decent Church presents Okay so,
because of Nicaragua receiving a temple Papua New Guinea is now the country in the world with the most steaks or District so can combine those two which is four,
it has 14 units but no Temple,
14 steak type units but no Temple obviously if we were to run there’s only two steaks though okay so two steaks in 12 districts where to run this math on areas that were just like my steaks alone and then you’d be talking about temples in,
anywhere but pretty much right where I live right now it’s the second Virginia Temple but.

Joe Peterson:
[15:09] Or Halifax for Pete’s sake away there is one there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:12] There’s one there but like to learn their 27,000 Latter Day Saints in Papua New Guinea infrastructure,
yeah it’s a good that a perfectly good size number,
most of the church growth has been within the past 20 years they’re isolated I mean their nearest temples are in Australia I assume and I don’t know the travel is necessarily easy between the two you know Australia has a bit of a colonial history was Papua New Guinea go beyond that,
I don’t know if there is ease of access Fitness in Hoptown to Brisbane or not to go to the temple otherwise I’ve got to go to Hong Kong I would say that it’s an impoverished country one issue of course is it infrastructure is scant,
hi Papua New Guinea we said we found a report from 2017 to said only 3.5% of Papua New Guinea’s Road network is paved which is not a good thing,
Port Moresby is down on the coast on the Southeastern part of the country meaning,
it’s still going to be tough for a number of these church members to get even to Port Moresby but that’s still easier to get to Port Moresby than it is to get somewhere else if there.

Joe Peterson:
[16:13] See that’s what I was wondering is it be interesting to see sort of like a membership scatter chart of wet you know where are most of those 27000 located if they are in Port Moresby itself or throughout the countryside you know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:25] But we can see what my good friend we can consult Kimora. Com,
and you know let’s let’s just check this out real quick let me vamp for a second here find some Papua New Guinea think you Verizon FiOS gigabit connection let’s check this out,
okay so so Papua New Guinea has of all of the various steaks are two missions in the country which is great.

Joe Peterson:
[16:49] 2 wow.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:50] 21 stickers in Port Moresby and the other steak is
farther west in daaru Papua New Guinea Port Moresby steak has been around since the 90s it’s reasonably I mean most people are closer to the southern coast but there are what six districts that are,
farther north could work and here’s my other logic if you even if you don’t put a temple in Papua New Guinea I imagine most of the population is traveling to Port Moresby anyway,
if they had to leave the country I don’t know everything about the International Airport situation there but I do know that Port Moresby is really the only part of the country with,
serious Improv.

Joe Peterson:
[17:30] Well then you would think to in a country like that with that kind of structure problems at the Capitol would be you know literally the city that all roads lead to,
however many roads there maybe or however little roads are maybe and so a temple there would essentially you know,
I think I mean I think if there’s two missions there and you know missionaries have to travel a lot and and there’s a lot of logistics involved in running the mission I don’t think that it’s maybe as big of a hurdle now that I’m rethinking it as
it might initially seem,
I think next one is me why move on all right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:11] Take ownership Joseph take control be a man.

Joe Peterson:
[18:14] Really go all the way back to to the good old United of the states.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:19] I wanted to go to the United of the Emirates but fine.

Joe Peterson:
[18:23] Oh and we’ve been there before. I haven’t been there physically but we have been there in these guesses,
I know this is going back to an area that I think is woefully underserved by temples and that would be the Intermountain West,
my guess is going to go to Henderson Nevada Henderson is a suburb of Las Vegas.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:49] Yeah okay.

Joe Peterson:
[18:49] Suburb where lots of members live yeah and I think,
in order to combat the evils of Sin City we must have another Temple there so that’s
I think that’s the that the driving philosophy behind us guest also though that but the thing is you know when you look at like a scattershot of the steaks in the Henderson area there’s kind of,
I mean that they’re all over that the Clark County Valley or whatever but them there is a nice cluster kind of in that South Southeast area that I think I’ll look at that look at that Temple District at right Temple District just ready to be kind of snapped off from from the other one and and
make a second one I don’t know,
I did exactly in this in this Temple guessing climate it’s it’s harder to to come up with really sound arguments,
trying my best.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:45] I’m going to check out a map here. Your guess is a good I mean there’s,
what I’m mostly curious about with this is the temple in Las Vegas is in a sort of on the Eastern bench,
of the area and almost kind of centrally Eastern which means it’s not crazy far from Henderson to begin with this far as the whole layout of the valley,
so I guess my main concern is it just a mental Henderson famous for having a lot of members and everything but
like you got just too close like for as far as with the way the whole Valley’s laid out be better to put a temple like on the opposite side and Summerlin or something like that or do you think Henderson truly is,
the strong play.

Joe Peterson:
[20:24] Well you know Henderson a I do feel like it’s,
it’s not just necessarily maybe a suburb it’s really more of an exurb you know it’s kind of its own staying away from the main you know Las Vegas metro area and in a looking down to some areas
southeast of their you have Boulder City of Anna going into Arizona you have I don’t like to talk about this place because I was stranded,
cheer along the side of the road by a very rude police officer down in Kingman,
but you do have some presents down in Kingman story for another time it is quite epic and it will take a long time to tell but anyway yeah so kind of the idea of,
having Henderson and down into those environs southeast of their be its own entity you know when you zoom in on the map and you you see Paradise which is another I’m guessing town or suburb of the Las Vegas area.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:24] Paradise is actually where most of the Las Vegas Strip is located it’s not actually in the city of Las Vegas.

Joe Peterson:
[21:29] Oh really okay so the strip in and of itself being kind of a dividing line
that’s where all 13 of those other Stakes are as kind of south of paradise and so I mean yeah maybe you’re saying make a case for a temple in I don’t know maybe Enterprise or.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:46] Definitely not Enterprise that’s way too far out there if it was not in Henderson I would pull it for Summerlin or somewhere over there summerlin’s new and Tony and waspy and it’s everything you want.

Joe Peterson:
[21:59] I don’t see I don’t say you’re speaking at a level of demography that I am it’s above my paygrade so you know if you think someone is a better pic on my willing to defer to you on that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:09] No dude you’re fine you do you,
I’m not I’m not I’m not sure I’m totally so I’m not sure I’m totally sold on this one but I don’t know we’ll see,
all right let’s move to one that I openly admit it not going to happen but I’m going to make the case just be ready for me to drop this one on you,
Darwin Australia.

Joe Peterson:
[22:36] Like origin of the species.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:39] Well is named after who.

Joe Peterson:
[22:40] If we believe in creationism a couple couldn’t go there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:43] Really sir.

[22:47] Is that what I don’t want to spoil an honorable mention but one of your honorable mention Twitter on the Galapagos Islands which like doesn’t even have people and where Darwin spent most of his time so you just shut up,
okay so hear me out on Darwin Australia Australia Bixby has one Temple / major metropolitan area the only one that’s not a Hinckley or a mini Temple is the one at Sydney which is built in the 80s not even a huge Temple to begin with,
all the rest of all of that many Temple structure so if you’re talkin to Brisbane Melbourne Adelaide what am I missing,
Hertz I think that’s all of them all the usual places right Darwin is not as big of a city is any of those buy it as far as metropolitan areas in Perth have something like this to three million people in the general metropolitan area,
but it is fantastically isolated from the rest of the country Darwin is the capital of the Northwest Territory of Australia with his estate and is terms of interest in politics,
and it’s center of the country at the top okay so it’s closer to Indonesia and Papua New Guinea which we just talked about,
but the point is it’s isolated it’s not huge they’re not like a huge Church presence has no stake there’s a district there like two branches and Darwin I understand all these things are going against it and my only my only argument is that I feel like,
all the old Play books out the window under President Nelson so why not check the temple up in Darwin so that I.

Joe Peterson:
[24:14] Simply because it’s isolated.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:16] Yeah man or take that famous president McKay approach and say we’re going to build the temple so the people it’s like if you build it they will come that’s what they did in New Zealand,
let’s do that so I don’t know I don’t genuinely think this will happen but I don’t I bake we cannot predict president Nelson.

Joe Peterson:
[24:34] He’s proving to be very unpredictable.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:36] Slash God.

Joe Peterson:
[24:39] You know though I do think there is a case to be made with Darwin that can include two large degree similar elements of your case with Port Moresby you know that I’d be interested to see if there’s,
you know flights that go between those two they are in the lark,
they are in the same sort of larger brought a region with places like Indonesia and so you know having that Temple can be anchored in Northern Australia that could be easily accessible to you know some of those
archipelagos archipelagos how do you say that of Southeast Asia I don’t know I mean they think there’s,
maybe not this conference Jeff but you know maybe in a general conference 50 a hundred years from now,
don’t give up your dreams.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:29] Yeah it’s fine whatever.

Joe Peterson:
[25:34] Well speaking of all of the mini temples in Australia the other country that has a lot of these in an initial wave is Mexico women.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:43] New Mexico.

Joe Peterson:
[25:45] I think there’s 13 or 14 temples in Mexico and I want to say like 10 or 11 of them are of you know that Hinckley era mini Temple generation.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:54] Dude can we make an aside by the way real quick for the Recently announced design of the Puebla Temple have you seen this one.

Joe Peterson:
[26:01] Tell me more only on the twin article is beautiful.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:06] That’s why I’m saying I’m just being hyperbolic about it but I just think it is like the best-looking Temple design I’ve seen a super long time I just love I love everything about it that is a killer.

Joe Peterson:
[26:16] Well what do you know about it I want to hear.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:18] So I think the church is sort of flirted with
simple aspects of Spanish Colonial architecture Spanish Baroque type things and also some other more International,
Stiles and that’s in the milk the Tucson Temple kind of hints at some Florentine like architecture.

Joe Peterson:
[26:33] Sure yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:34] Benjamin little bits here and there but I feel like with Pueblo rather than likes it a Tijuana Temple which kind of alluded to it but seems like something of a facsimile
the Pueblo Temple is like no we’re going to do an all-in beautiful Spanish Colonial temple with red Spanish tile on the cupola and on the roof
I mean Scott color is a temple with colored actually has a red roof and Dome.

Joe Peterson:
[26:55] That’s what I love about the Tucson one is that it that the Dome is blue it almost even looks like well I mean Florentine is a good word for a bit at first blush and even look almost like a mosque to me and I was like I’m liking this color.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:07] So that’s all I was in the public that was awesome and now I I go back to you to continue.

Joe Peterson:
[27:12] Nice well I I would Echo you and and say that it is awesome looking and I’d I am absolutely here for more of the Spanish Colonial
Tijuana Venta en El Pueblo approach because those are all of my favorite temples iodine I don’t know if that’s an architectural style that I love but I would love to see more of it in Lyon I think
Leon Mexico makes my official prediction list largely because I want to set you know it’s really hard in Mexico to pick,
other cities because the the initial wave of many temples really sort of,
dispersed throughout most of the country were most of the members are it’s pretty well covered you know Pueblo was the main stand out that was
fairly obvious in terms of just a critical mass of of membership and so the game gets a little trickier we filed some interesting predictions in the.

[28:09] Last couple of years at 4,
I think the states of Sinaloa and Durango to get temples because they occupy largely this area in kind of the center part of the country where you know it’s not really in that 200 my bubble like we have mentioned,
so other than that though that’s not a ton of people in those States and and the cities are in those states are the ones that are often mired in a lot of crime and you know missionaries and and other,
real horror stories that happened down there with with members and so you know it’s a tricky game to kind of
pics where in Mexico you do have the Mexico City Temple District which is just Far and Away the largest in terms of number show number of states that feed into the district so
you know I think it’s it’s really attractive to be like okay well you know there’s got to be another Temple coming to Mexico but we’re so,
you know doing some digging around and looking at different people districts I think Leon is a pretty good pick I think you know it’s the it’s a capital city of of,
the state that it’s and I’m forgotten now which it is.

[29:25] Guanajuato and any other so it’s I think it’s the nation’s fourth largest municipality not the,
largest metro area but the fourth largest municipality and so you know there is a lot of people that live there and you know it’s really old beautiful city so right for another Spanish Colonial architectural masterpiece.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:47] Now Leon is kind of on the periphery of the Mexico City distractions just inside the Guadalajara District,
I think the fact of Pueblo Pueblo is also pretty close to Mexico City on the Eastern Side Pueblo is kind of like the campiness to South Paulo it like,
right to a Mexico City do you worry that says like too much to close geographically the Specialists Pueblo being a new Temple.

Joe Peterson:
[30:09] No because I think you know Pueblo has
as a city give itself away from Mexico City has like I don’t want to say 15 steaks or something like that so I feel like that Puebla Temple kind of just takes care of Pueblo you know you still have,
90 some-odd steaks in the Mexico City Temple District in so,
I think your question as you pose it is sort of what led me to look you know what’s on the other side of you know Mexico City and,
we’re looking at Lyon we’re looking at maybe a temple that can pull from not just the Mexico City District Temple District but
yeah other temples in that area and so I think that’s kind of what winnowed me looking down in that spot and I mean I don’t know,
I’m not relying on any inspiration here but but I do think that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:00] Where is your faith.

Joe Peterson:
[31:01] In Temple guessing not it’s not.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:06] We have done very well over the years Vegas oddment oddsmakers places High.

Joe Peterson:
[31:10] Who done it we’ve done okay halfway.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:15] You’re right next to the keno board and there we are,
Wichita Deli by the way in Henderson there’s a building there a casino that looks like some vaguely like the Manti Temple I’ve seen my sister lives in Henderson on the very very very Southeastern Edge.

Joe Peterson:
[31:31] I was going to bring that up cuz I think you put that in the article and I followed the link I had never seen it before and I have to say I thought at first glance I thought it was like I thought you had linked to the Logan Temple or the Manti Temple.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:46] Or the method Temple yeah it’s just at the hotel part of a Casino in Henderson it’s just.

Joe Peterson:
[31:50] Crack me up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:52] So no one here are the list of happens to be I think my most accounts the highest ranking in terms of the score we talked about from other everyone else has been predicting temples Sierra Leone okay so Sierra Leone,
it’s an Afrika it’s an it’s a it’s a place called Africa there’s a country called Africa and Sierra Leone is like a city there in Freetown for tons of capital city,
that’s a great movie it could go in a couple of other places while so that their options are Freetown Sierra Leone Maybe
city of Bo Sierra Leone or maybe Monrovia Liberia but I’m leaning more on Sierra Leone for this one support of that sort of a Far Western Africa
Temple but I think it’ll be in Sierra Leone we’ve mentioned this one quite a few times in the past and the case just gets stronger and stronger every single conference to have a double there because the church is growing so rapidly,
in Sierra Leone.

Joe Peterson:
[32:49] It’s been one of my favorite guesses that we that we submitted pretty much every 6 months.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:54] So check it out so Sierra Leone’s six steaks and three districts have all been organized since 2010 and five of those steaks have been organized since 2015,
that is fast there’s a lot going on there.

Joe Peterson:
[33:11] Second episode of Ensign to the nation’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:13] So I think retail makes sense with only the main case turbo is it also has the same number of stakes as the capital city but it’s farther to the east so it’s closer to Liberia meaning of liberians don’t have trouble crossing the border it’s easier access for them,
how to get to the temple so could go out.

Joe Peterson:
[33:30] Did you even see that movie Freetown because they do they do have a hard time crossing the border.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:35] I know but things have changed there’s no Civil War right now,
and of course I’ll give props my bishops from Sierra Leone so we’re doing this for him this for you Friday I just keep my fingers and pointed to the sky.

Joe Peterson:
[33:46] Did you Freddy is such a great Sierra Leone name to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:50] I love Freddy Freddy Freddy is everything you wanted Bishop from Sierra Leone to be I’ve been in it with so many different leaders and he’s a bishop who DJs our Ward events.

Joe Peterson:
[33:58] Oh man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:59] Texas cajun chicken for people and just has so much so much as you want Aviv and it’s Wonder.

Joe Peterson:
[34:04] I love that that that is a similar disposition to other people from Sierra Leone that I have met I wanted to know if you know you served a mission in Europe if you had worked with a lot of Sierra leoneans in Spain.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:18] Not at all. I’m most of the English-speaking Africans we talk which were before many but most of them are from Ghana or Nigeria.

Joe Peterson:
[34:26] Ovarian interestings cuz you know I served in the Netherlands,
you know why did we both served early 2000s you know which was,
pretty close if not during the same time as the Civil War in Sierra Leone in a lease in Liberia I would say probably with all of the refugees from all of the world that we had worked with in the Netherlands
maybe 70 to 75% where Sierra leonean in Liberian so that was I think the bulk of certainly of the the food that I ate and he know the people that I thought.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:00] Okay so I don’t know there’s my case.

Joe Peterson:
[35:02] Cope.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:03] If you have nothing to add just move out move on to the next election it’s fine.

Joe Peterson:
[35:06] No I think well I mean the argument I think speaks for itself in the fact that it’s probably that the most likely you know let’s just make mention that maybe that’s the most likely one that’ll be capex but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:20] We’ve also thought that we’ve also thought that about Rogers Arkansas for who-knows-how-long so who’s.

Joe Peterson:
[35:23] The very true very true I think. Let’s go back to Southeast Asia,
I think Singapore both the city and the country is probably a little bit more likely than Darwin in fact it may even.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:40] Exponentially more likely than.

Joe Peterson:
[35:44] In Port Moresby and maybe it maybe the temple District that takes in both Port Moresby and Darwin at least for the time being,
we have had,
I would say twin Zone Josie gleave who lives in Singapore we’ve had some interesting perspectives and insight into the church in Singapore this year when she say.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:07] Stuff going on.

Joe Peterson:
[36:08] Something about like a singles ward or something remember on one of the episodes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:12] There’s a the only currently organized actually organized YSA ward in Asia,
for some people cried foul and said we have them in the Philippines bill from what I’ve researched the ones in the Philippines are normal family words with a large why is a contingent and they cater to them but have an actual YSA Ward.

Joe Peterson:
[36:30] Very interesting well I do think you know that there are those kind of things can be evidence of you know that the church is
being organized structurally here in a way that maybe it isn’t elsewhere and so those could be indicators you know there are three steaks and 7 districts in Singapore,
but what really I think makes this case strong for me is that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:55] Three sticks in Singapore are you sure about.

Joe Peterson:
[36:57] I don’t know that’s what that’s what my that’s what my article says that’s what the thing says.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:01] It must be true cuz.

Joe Peterson:
[37:03] Yeah I don’t know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:05] I know there’s only one I thought it was only one stick in Singapore itself.

Joe Peterson:
[37:09] I’m going to revisit that cuz I don’t know how I thought that’s what,
Yeah Boy us how embarrassing well anyway. Pretty sure there’s more than one there’s two.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:22] According to Kimura there is a Singapore steak.

Joe Peterson:
[37:25] I know where I know where I’m getting my data this is the point that I’m trying to make.

[37:30] So let me say Singapore so my parents served in the Singapore Mission probably maybe more than a decade ago now,
Singapore so they got stationed in in Sarawak in Malaysia which is on the island of Borneo and,
any time that they needed to get there there,
Visa renewed which is basically every three or four months they had to go to Singapore you know that’s where the mission office was and so that’s kind of been the administrative Hub of the church in Southeast Asia and at the time the Singapore Mission get this it included,
not just Singapore and Malaysia but it included Pakistan and Sri Lanka and and just a whole weird smattering of of countries that were kind of like an orphan,
over in that very large region of the world,
but it was in Malaysia especially in eastern religion where they were where the church at the time was just growing like gangbusters and they’re having tons of baptisms and and there are a lot of districts those seven districts that I mention here,
in Sarawak in eastern Malaysia that are I think,
I mean it’s my hunch based on just have hearing their stories but they’re probably they probably look and feel more like steaks than they do like District they might just not have the the leadership so if if we see you know this District kind of.

[38:56] Transform into steaks I think you could get a lot you could grow this Temple District,
I think what’s more quickly than that maybe what it looks like initially from looking at the numbers.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:07] Well they’re growing a lot though too I mean Malaysia for a Muslim country to is surprisingly has,
may God always has something like what 8th District or something in Malaysia alone so it’s,
the work is going well most of the District of relatively young I would say most of them other than my Kuala Lumpur have come since the 2000 so I think we can be bullish about Malaysia only,
I only have caution because we have a temple under construction in Thailand,
Temple announced in Cambodia and it’s not like that around the corner and see how it’s very easy to just casually as a western American to be like,
closest just closer than Hong Kong and it’s closer than Australia so I don’t know if that might be a proximity issue.

Joe Peterson:
[39:55] Whatever end up the fact that the Indonesian government wants to move its capital to Borneo which puts it,
taking even closer proximity to Singapore a Manhattan looking type temple in Singapore could really or like a Hong Kong looking Thai temple in Singapore,
this is really kind of fits the the administrative kind of element that we see kind of happening and so I’m going to I think it’s a good pick for those reason.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:18] You would have to be one of those two I mean what choice do they have really Landing cheap in Singapore.

Joe Peterson:
[40:24] Think they could just transform that that oblong like hat on those three buildings you know that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:30] Yes.

Joe Peterson:
[40:30] You see they just make that part the temple.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:32] Depart will get rid of the infinity pool turn the infinity pool is the Baptist,
alright so I’ll let’s now go into the lions den of Evangelical Christianity everybody,
you might be thinking I’m thinking of Mississippi and when it when I give Jackson a temple I’ll tell you I don’t give Jackson table because the terrible City know the reason,
well you didn’t stop there once I was driving through to check out the state capitol building so I thought I would be robbed but we will not be robbed.

[41:07] Colorado Springs Colorado my French people might not be aware but Evangelical Christianity a number of national even Global Evangelical
movement and Conservative Christian Movement have headquarters in the Colorado Springs area in Colorado politics that’s sort of theirs the dividing line kind of between the Denver Boulder area
and famously to the south of Colorado Springs be far more conservative because it has a much more religious community and also is the Air Force presents top of that so but,
why not have a temple here well I’m going to say that,
it’s it’s a it’s a cautious one okay so they organize a steak as recently as 2016 but there’s still five steaks in the immediate area of the city which isn’t bad for how large a city is the minutes a side metropolitan areas. Denver you know it’s
it’s okay sized and there are six further south in Pueblo Alamosa Colorado that it could pull all of it,
by those but I criteria it could easily be a smaller Temple I would say what would makes me,
pump the brakes a little bit the Fort Collins Colorado Temple is only a couple of years old and not logged off the whole part of the Denver District that was the northern suburbs of Denver all the way up through Cheyenne Wyoming I think in Casper Wyoming is part of that,
so if you were to take in Colorado Springs with a temple in caught in Denver that’s already in the southern part of Denver,
you know it’s just too close is that taken away too much from Denver to justify.

Joe Peterson:
[42:36] Okay does it leave Denver sort of anemic.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:38] Does it leave it in the bag that’s a good way to put it yeah so that’s I like it see it going either way that’s why I’m cautious about this one but I also think it’s grown quite a bit and there’s there’s some there’s some rationale for that it even makes the list for not the only one talking Colorado Springs at the top 10,
anticipated.

Joe Peterson:
[42:55] I wonder what else makes it a top 10 or I mean we have done this guess before with Colorado Springs I think I wrote the argument for the last time.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:03] It’s going to be for you.

Joe Peterson:
[43:04] Yeah so what do I say here for my Pick 6 months ago but,
yeah I mean I don’t know why I think the the arguments against it you know concerning the Denver district is valid but
I don’t know if we’re looking to 4 for me you know if we’re looking for other places in Colorado to serve maybe some of those environs that are outside of the Denver metro area
you know it’s going to land either on this one or Grand Junction for me and I think.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:37] Grand Junction High interesting.

Joe Peterson:
[43:39] I think I think.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:41] There are this number of Latter-day Saints way over there on the western edge of Colorado that’s that’s a fun case you don’t worry about it pulling too much for Monticello or Vernal.

Joe Peterson:
[43:50] I don’t know actually I haven’t I just know it’s like another one of the bigger cities there’s no I’m not I’m not in time.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:56] Fair enough.

Joe Peterson:
[43:59] Okay so moving on to I would file this one under similar to Darwin I don’t think this is going to happen although I think it should be.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:09] Joseph you’re only given one if not really going to happen but it should on this list are you sure you want to play that card right now because I know some other ones are going to say I just want to make sure that you know what you’re getting yourself into right.

Joe Peterson:
[44:19] Oh no I am I am going to standby.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:21] All right Fair the fair.

Joe Peterson:
[44:22] Every other prediction Sirius was a second. I mean what Venezuela is,
deeply mired in you know a lot of,
problems political problems social unrest that kind of thing and so you know an initial look at the membership data I think makes my
Maracaibo a pretty good
pick another I think a lot of steaks in Maracaibo itself in the surrounding area I think under any other climate you know this could be like a really home run of a pic even as strong as I think Sierra Leone,
considering the fact that you know people are basically abandoned in the city in droves there’s no work there’s no
money that is put on rest as long as that kind of thing you know it it makes it so,
I don’t even know if the the data in the numbers of church members there that that we can see is even accurate and so you know I I think this one unfortunately is going to fall victim to political unrest but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:25] Yeah yeah.

Joe Peterson:
[45:26] The date of being what it is I think makes it a really strong pick for the reason that I said so Maracaibo Venezuela South America is I think also seen a Renaissance of getting more and more temples I think there’s a lot of members down there that are just,
it’s the place to sort of continue to grow and so on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:45] That was right there is a good is a good observation I’d say South America in a couple in the 80s and then a lot in the nineties and it sort of stalled out for,
and now we’re getting a lot more the interesting thing is the temple in Venezuela right now in Caracas is one of the Hinckley or a mini temples I think there’s only
let me see the temple in Paraguay the new Temple in I believe the temple in Uruguay is a mini Temple all the rest are other types of temples right right so,
Venezuela has a membership but I see the issues there,
I’ve also heard some Rumblings about maybe Barcelona Venezuela on the Eastern side of the country married in the temple but on sheer principle I cannot support a temple near Barcelona that is not that of,
the capital of Catalonia at least of the.

Joe Peterson:
[46:26] You might be waiting you might be waiting a while.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:28] You shut your face Joseph the people they’re very righteous the church is buoyed up 100% by peruvians and they’re doing great work,
inspect okay okay there’s another one of mine I think I’m doing well and some of the likely ones this time around Joe,
just a pop my own back here a little bit cuz another top three or ruling bitar Mongolia.

Joe Peterson:
[46:50] Linder Tire Iowa City.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:52] Ulaanbaatar I don’t know how it said I don’t speak Mongolian I have no idea I did read a biography of Genghis Khan though this year and that was enlightening.

Joe Peterson:
[46:58] What are cool.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:00] That he was going to weave this is not pretend we mentioned the capital of Mongolia I’d say much of the art Ben hasn’t really changed,
if only because once again the Playbook is out the window and president Nelson clearly sees fit to seek inspiration on temples in areas that have,
far fewer members or isolated in order to bring Temple blessings two groups who have an otherwise difficult time getting access to Temples so mongolie doesn’t have a lot of people there’s only about,
what’s 3 million people or something.

Joe Peterson:
[47:31] How to say two or three.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:32] Leave the country and if it’s huge geographically but very underpopulated it’s had a bit of a an economic Renaissance over the past 20 years since since it liberalize its economy and since Western mining companies moved in essentially,
it’s all good things will happen.

Joe Peterson:
[47:47] The Rio Tinto Temple.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:51] I kid you not I have a Old Mission friend who was working for Rio Tinto living in Perth and then they just moved and now he had to go to Mongolia for like 2 months.

Joe Peterson:
[47:59] Oh really oh what hey.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:01] Rio Tinto stuff yeah yeah if you’re in the mining in Australia you live out west so,
the church does reasonably well in Mongolia in a Latter day of the Christian population in the country this is a few years ago Latter Day Saints made up over a quarter of the Christians in Mongolia,
people in the country and if you make that a per capita argument there’s about 1 million people per stick in Mongolia or Tuesday in the country one District which is nothing to,
Shake It Off great,
and the great comparison I like the dryer is Cambodia Cambodia is right next to Thailand so didn’t quote-unquote need a temple when one in Thailand is just barely being built,
Cambodia has way more people it does have more units more district has two steaks and some District Let’s Pretend all of those districts were sticks giving a 6 in the country,
there’s that still leaves it with roughly 2.7 million people per stick so there’s way more people per state per capita,
in Cambodia then there is in Mongolia Mongolia.

Joe Peterson:
[49:01] So what’s the score larity I’m not seeing it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:03] It’s in the similarity is just that it’s in Asia and that’s.

Joe Peterson:
[49:11] Your logic is sound.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:12] Well I think the main argument is that hey there’s two steaks in Cambodia and they are having a temple Mongolia also has two steaks but even if you factor in the district’s to try to give Cambodia even more of the leg up in terms of how many people purged steak,
there are the country Mongolia still went the argument substantially in Mongolia is very isolated you could the district could pull people in from Russia are there are a ton of units up and Russia but you know it,
I don’t think it’d be a huge Temple,
but I think it’s increasingly likely in this day and age of the states of Mongolia have to travel to I assume South Korea to go to Temple or, to fly to Japan,
diamond.

Joe Peterson:
[49:49] Do you think like it could potentially be a temple Outpost we’re all of those secret members in China that don’t really technically exist could travel to I mean I don’t know or would they just go to Hong Kong.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:00] That’s a mix I would say I think Hong Kong is,
Hong Kong is easier access but Hong Kong still has immigration controls even for regular Chinese folk do you go through customs when you go to Hong Kong,
even if you’re from the mainland maybe but like you said it’s at the Bellagio politics involved and all that kind of nonsense but I would hope so I would hope so especially for members who are farther up north like that that might be easier.

Joe Peterson:
[50:24] Yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:26] Potentially that a high-speed rail at might not be as bad.

Joe Peterson:
[50:29] I mean I I think I think the biggest thing of this gas has going for Jeff is that it would be even though we have been reminded in general conference to be reverent about you know interesting people announcements in and not to apply to erupt into you know some,
irreverent Russia that it would be a rather scintillating none of this would be the reason why president us would ticket but you know he does he does love his General Conference moments his little white guy,
text Melissa a reaction for sure.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:00] I think he’s repented of battle.

Joe Peterson:
[51:02] Maybe yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:03] What I do actually talked about that with Kurt just on the podcast.

Joe Peterson:
[51:07] Oh you did.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:08] Just briefly we made mention of it cuz he cuz I think they like you I thought he kind of relished the whole experience of you know you loved all the pop of the whole thing of the day he came back in April and was like look everybody like we got to treat disrespectful,
I didn’t say myself included but I also wonder if he took pause after his first year of enjoying Temple announcements.

Joe Peterson:
[51:27] Sure.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:27] We should we should dial it back and remember the sacred nature of what we’re doing here.

Joe Peterson:
[51:31] Interesting speaking of sacred nature I want to talk about Branson Missouri.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:36] Oh sure Joseph yes tell me about your argument for having a temple where one does not belong.

Joe Peterson:
[51:43] You know okay I want to say that this was,
I like that this is a gimme for you Jeff because it’s it’s a way it’s a way to include basically Rogers,
Buzz at Bentonville without actually saying Rogers or Bentonville cuz it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:03] Thus keeping Arkansas from having any temples at all that’s the whole point of the sexes.

Joe Peterson:
[52:06] Exactly exactly right so you know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:11] It’s like we’ll build them all around you will build Temple to Texas and Oklahoma City while the temple in Memphis right there on the border and heck will put one down in Branson just for funsies but you Arkansas do not.

Joe Peterson:
[52:22] You know but if it if they if they are true Arkansas on sarkar arkansans they I think they would identify more with their their Heritage is being like,
citizens of the Ozark area so this would still be there Temple in that way,
it’s a good you no luck there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:44] This is the dumbest guess on this entire.

Joe Peterson:
[52:45] Desmond right now just what you got the Osmonds in Branson you got a lot of people that love.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:52] Which Osmond’s are currently in Branson.

Joe Peterson:
[52:55] All of them Jeff all of them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:57] The hold of all of the Osmond.

Joe Peterson:
[52:58] Where where do you where do you think that Donny Marie are going to go now that their Show in Las Vegas is over I mean Branson is is standing there with his arms wide open.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:12] Some random Indian casino in California and I could go on.

Joe Peterson:
[53:15] Branson with all of its folksy charm with all of its Glitzy Glam you know it is the it is the Ozark Temple destination you know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:25] It’s it’s really funny that you bring a Branson cuz I just last week I was slugging from work which is when you just sort of have disorganized carpooling with strangers,
and the woman driving the car somehow we we we were chatting a little bit and she mentioned going home to visit family and they like to go to Branson,
I was like yeah and she’s like what not to do like the touristy stuff to go where the locals go and I didn’t say anything else besides like where do the locals go in Branson.

Joe Peterson:
[53:53] The gas station.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:55] There’s some hot bar in Branson,
we are not doing ourselves any favors from the Branson Springfield listeners of this show but I do not agree with you in any way that there will be a temple in Branson if there is a temple of Branson I will buy you and your family a steak dinner the next time we see.

Joe Peterson:
[54:11] Well I would but here’s the thing his wife could have happened Jeff because Branson cuz Branson is a center point between Springville and Rogers and so it’s you know that is a common thing you’re going to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:22] I am on the verge of labeling you a stupid person this is silly,
appropriate but hey you can you can throw it at me now cuz my next my next guess my next guess is delightfully glib,
I’m basically just saying just a temple in the Philippines okay and what I don’t mean to say is in the Russian sense of there will be a temple in the soon-to-be-announced location.

Joe Peterson:
[54:44] I’m glad you said that cuz I was literally the first thing I thought of when I saw you said.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:48] Means that because I don’t think we have those struggles we don’t have you know the Filipino government refusing to allow us to have actual missionary in the country for example,
I just think that at this point we just seems like we announce a temple in the Philippines like every conference so I’m just saying throw a dart at a map of the Philippines and you have a strong probability of a temple being announced there within the next four years so if we had to put it down maybe it may be an Oculus or
back a load might be the best place for one but really I just think.

Joe Peterson:
[55:18] Anywhere the Phillips,
reason for that you know of a while ago we covered a couple of the Countrywide some celebrations of countries that have reached a hundred Stakes there’s not that many,
Philippines being one of them but when you look at the time when you looked at how many temples in the Philippines for a country that has a hard steaks versus how many temples in
you know the United States or even Canada which only has like 50 states or something like that you suck quite a disparity in so I think you know,
they’re playing a little bit of ketchup
and so you know I think you’re onto something but when you look at kind of the total number of steaks and the total number of announced temples in the Philippines we’re getting to that point where it’s like all right I think we’re getting caught up so I don’t know how good it guesses this time,
like legaspi could be a really cool area that could get in my my nephew just got back from the mission in legaspi you know really really neat area of very nerve-wracking with a giant volcano that Towers over the whole city and so I don’t know how.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:21] So that you actually make an interesting argument there so because what I think about whenever I think about the Philippines I think about Sheila,
inevitably because I remember near in 2002 Elder Oaks and Holland were assigned to / to live in and preside over the Philippine,
Chile areas no no one would say this out right but we all kind of took it to mean to kind of right the ship both countries were famous for having a lot of members of the church but they were also pretty well known for not having great activity rates,
right and so that’s why I use instead of instead of being slumming it with a member of the seventy you’re silly all right we’re bringing in the ringers
and they’re going to live there for a year and try to fix it and send the time there was just one temple in each country and sensitive course we have seen way more temples and action happening so I think
whatever they put into motion was good I think you could safely argue the Elder Oaks one because,
does more Temple down the Philippines and she likes blacks what you just made me realize it’s perhaps like you said perhaps the Philippines is getting appropriately caught up and it is chilly
merits more because I just have the temple in Santiago the newer one in consepcion in the recently-announced when I asked if agosta brats too late there’s more people in the Philippines and then she like butt,
perhaps too late actually is the one that we should expect more temples from then the Philippines maybe we’re hitting critical mass at the Philippines that’s fair.

Joe Peterson:
[57:43] What I have a thought of that if we have time later I’ll get into it but yeah I think that’s that’s probably a good theory of what’s going on let’s talk about.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:51] Alright Joseph take me to another one of your ridiculous guesses.

Joe Peterson:
[57:54] The one place that I have been.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:56] Are you actually also getting a map of the world and is throwing darts at it at this point just as I do the Philippines is that how you’re getting.

Joe Peterson:
[58:03] Sickly that the inspiration that comes from these guesses and we’ve been shockingly accurate so I would say you know in my travels I like to travel I kind of fall in love with everywhere I go I’m famous
clean out and my family are being like we should live here.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:18] No one said that about this place.

Joe Peterson:
[58:20] Nope and not even do I say it because I have been to Bakersfield California one time,
here’s a thing Jeff are from Mesa Arizona okay like I don’t have bragging rights of being from somewhere cool.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:32] Did your from West Mesa to.

Joe Peterson:
[58:34] Central Mesa.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:37] That’s hardcore man you’re not you’re not some East Mesa fancy person no no.

Joe Peterson:
[58:41] All right yeah we issued such people let me tell you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:46] I like my temples to be in the ghetto.

Joe Peterson:
[58:48] Exactly yeah I went to I would High School a block away from the ER maybe a quarter mile away from the temple.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:53] There’s a there’s a reason the church is renovating the whole area because the area around the Mesa Temple is probably the dumpiest I’ve ever seen around a stateside.

Joe Peterson:
[59:01] Oh yeah and it’s been jumpy for like decades.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:04] Tell me about my Bakersfield.

Joe Peterson:
[59:06] Okay so what I went to Bakersfield it reminded me of Mesa but only all of the bad parts of Mesa so I,
never want to go there again it’s a terrible it’s the armpit of California but you know it’s such a large population,
and a good amount of steaks membership if that’s still the thing that we’re counting in terms of what they require.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:32] Yeah but but like LA’s not crazy far away me what do you want like what the district going to be.

Joe Peterson:
[59:39] Joe is like two and a half hours away she was honestly my thinking and,
you could School me with with traffic Logistics of La cuz I’ve never lived there but you know I always thought like you know my step dad lived in,
where do the Simi Valley for like 26 years and going to LA to get the temple there if it was a bad traffic day I would take forever you know what I’m thinking well Bakersfield is just the other way except there’s no traffic and it’s only like
you know an hour and a half or whatever so it could be kind of an artery where there is if they have their own critical mass of membership but where people from,
like places like Thousand Oaks in Simi Valley whatever County that is you know could go up there I don’t know I don’t know how logistical it look like it would be a logistical,
just by looking at the map and from what I’ve heard anecdotally but I think maybe you have a different philosophy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:34] I’m not sold on this one because I mean I just feel like you got the got a couple a handful of states in Bakersfield and kind of got by Ridgecrest some other areas in the neck of the woods you can maybe pull into the steaks in Lancaster and Palmdale and make him part of it,
what is are going farther south enough to La there’s no point those people might as well go to La and you go too far north and then you’re already creeping up on on Fresno’s Turf and there’s a temple in Fresno so I just don’t know.

Joe Peterson:
[1:00:58] Play I hear you but I think this is your Orange County buy a speaking Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:01:01] That’s the completely opposite side of thing Gil pastelae.

Joe Peterson:
[1:01:04] You just won’t you just want another you want another Temple closer to your hometown.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:01:10] Yes I think they need to go to Temple of Yorba Linda and I want to take surface streets to the temple for the first time in my life other than when I lived in Provo.

Joe Peterson:
[1:01:19] All I will say for if you’re worried about carving too much out of either Fresno or the LA district is look at that other Feather River temple or whatever in California right next to Sacramento.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:01:32] There are a truth that’s fair there are not tons of steaks are you look at that and assume there’s like four steaks in Yuba City or some.

Joe Peterson:
[1:01:38] Right and it’s not that far from Sacramento.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:01:40] There’s one there’s a steak there there’s a steak up and reading there’s a state that’s that’s a fair argument it’s a fair argument I would say normally that might be okay I just worry that unlike,
and Yuba and the Feather River temples case you don’t hit another Temple until I get like Medford Oregon which is quite far away,
I just think you’ll bump into other temples more quickly when you go north or south of Bakersfield.

Joe Peterson:
[1:02:03] We shall see I’ll take that steak dinner on this one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:02:06] Maryland offers on the table for this with my friend that is only for the absolute ridiculous guess about Branson Missouri,
another one that typically makes the high list that is in Santa Cruz Bolivia is the largest city in Bolivia it at 8 steaks which is a weird metric makes it the,
area another country but the area in the world with the most states without its own Temple if that makes any sense so there are more steaks in Santa Cruz then there are in Cochabamba which has Bolivia is only Temple right now the numbers play,
that’s all I’m saying it’s like look there’s a lot of numbers here why don’t they have their own Temple when a lot of South American countries are receiving second and even third temples at this point,
I just think it in Bolivia has been doing better economically why not.

Joe Peterson:
[1:02:52] I agree 100% I just think let’s just take a moment and and step back and think about the fact that a city with ate steaks,
is a major Contender for a temple guess because it was no longer we were looking at areas potential gases of a temple that were like 25-30 steak Yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03:16] 15 stick minimum.

Joe Peterson:
[1:03:17] Exactly but it dis is a strong ass for all of those reasons that you laid out.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03:23] So everyone those are our main guess it’s just if you had to pick and I think our number one total is probably a Sierra Leone is that.

Joe Peterson:
[1:03:30] Yeah probably this is it is another is a good one too.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03:35] And if we had to do a third I would say that in between Port Moresby or maybe Mongolia.

Joe Peterson:
[1:03:42] Yeah maybe or you know somewhere I think some of our honorable mentions are even maybe a little bit.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03:47] Tell me it’s okay tell me what’s quickly do some honorable mentions and then we’ll let these poor hostages go.

Joe Peterson:
[1:03:52] A couple years ago or maybe a couple conferences go we did Lupin Bashi DRC I think that’s a really strong guess as well as Bahia Blanca Argentina and,
I couldn’t find a previous prediction
which I’m really surprised because I feel like I bring it up every time is Vina Del Mar or Valparaiso which are basically the same place in
chili into your argument about chili I think that’s a really that’s a really strong as I think I’ll call you my number three.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:22] What about West Valley City we throw that one around quite a bit with a good will gesture get there getting a little too well and now they’re on the other side of the mountain they’ve got to Temple down in Oakhurst mountain bike does West Valley Merit its own benefits of this morning.

Joe Peterson:
[1:04:34] When you look at the at the Scottish of the stakes I think it does but I think you know there’s a lot of moan and groan with Utah temples getting announced so they might have to wait.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:44] I know their kind of it’s like oh my God this is over kill people.

Joe Peterson:
[1:04:48] Numbers did the numbers do that up though it’s on 4th.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:52] Some others we talked about maybe El Paso it’s not there’s an overwhelming number of steaks in El Paso but it’s,
I mean it’s right across the border from ciudad Juarez for the temple but getting a divorce can be you know it’s complicated,
so maybe I’ll Paso Heber Valley Utah gets thrown around a lot we did not included in this time around but I think that one got some weight behind it I would.

Joe Peterson:
[1:05:15] Waited six months ago yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:05:17] But the main thing against it is.

Joe Peterson:
[1:05:18] Another good one for sure.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:05:20] Rapid City is a pretty good one I’m still pretty hot on the United Arab Emirates.

Joe Peterson:
[1:05:25] Yeah I know you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:05:26] Dhabi Abu Dhabi is a pretty if not now within 3 years probably the most of an upper Darby.

Joe Peterson:
[1:05:34] A few years ago you you wrote it at prediction for Oslo Norway and I think to this day I think about a lot because I think it is a really good prediction before you know having a smaller temple in a,
need a harder to get to area where it’s not really served by the other European Temple so I think it’s still a.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:05:53] That could be fair of me to closest Temple is either Stockholm or Copenhagen and Copenhagen Copenhagen it was built without a huge stick support that converted into a building is not a huge Temple by any means but there’s like two steaks in Denmark,
and there you go Soca.
other couple quick ones Taichung Taiwan we talked about in the past and I could still see it happening taiwan’s only Temple happened in the 80s,
but it it’s Meredith and I still don’t want to rule out Kiribati you know even though they know the temple in Guam,
which is sort of in that that melanesian neck of the woods there’s a lot of church in Kiribati and I could still see I don’t think and I’ve seen the the announced the district for the Guam Temple which is only two steaks into district and does not bring in Kiribati I think your body still,
temple in a temple in American American Samoa now we have the one in Samoa and a second temple of Tonga I’m still alive.

Joe Peterson:
[1:06:50] Yeah I think I think that’s you have good reason to be at to get gas.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:06:55] And then the last one Albania do we believe in Albania.

Joe Peterson:
[1:06:59] I don’t know about you know that’s I don’t know if it’s day has come we got hungry and that was that was a surprise I didn’t see that as being that strong of a guest.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:07:08] We had called for Hungry a few times in the.

Joe Peterson:
[1:07:10] Yeah we had Scotland in and Apache Junction as well as in our argument.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:07:17] I will I have to coerce recuse myself from the Scotland predicting for my own personal biases but,
it’s fair is five steaks in Scotland it’s really just a question of where it would go like Edinborough make sense for a lot of reasons but it’s also not essential of somewhere like Sterling so I don’t know I don’t know we will see you this weekend my dear.

Joe Peterson:
[1:07:36] We shall I will be listening.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:07:39] A likely of course for those who are President Nelson seems to like to announce he’s in his hey thanks for coming,
announcements at the very end of conference right he doesn’t do it when he does a Sunday morning remarks usually Sunday afternoon,
and that we find out so we do know he wants to announce them they already he said that on his little too or South America to expect Temple announcements this weekend what they will be we don’t know.

Joe Peterson:
[1:08:03] But we know they will be from our list right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:08:06] That nfnf they’re not that we are going to burn this city to the ground.

Joe Peterson:
[1:08:10] I’ll see you in Branson.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:08:13] All right fine buddy thank you I appreciate it.

Joe Peterson:
[1:08:15] You better thank you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:08:16] All right guys like to listen to this week in Mormons course you find some paper on social media
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