It’s been a week of humorous highs and sobering lows when it comes to Latter-day Saint related news. Our international correspondent, Josie Gleave, is with us to has it all out.

Let’s talk about Pierre. It seems one Willard “Mitt” Romney has been skulking about the depths of Twitter using a pseudonym, according to a great new profile by friend of TWiM, McKay Coppins. However, what was a cursory mention of said Twitter lurking led Slate to investigate further, and they have discovered Romney’s secret life! Mitt Romney has, narrowly, won the internet for the week! Our friends at The Cultural Hall also managed to secure an interview with the “real” Pierre Delecto, who is concerned about Romney trying to co-opt his identity.

That’s not the only Mitt Romney news. The Los Angeles Times picked up on the so-called “White Horse Prophecy” and how Mittens may be a fulfillment of it. Of course, the Times goes to no lengths to explain that the “prophecy” is apocryphal at best and forms no part of Latter-day Saint canon. Besides, we saw North Korea’s leader on a white horse only this week!

Important news! Geoff is appearing in a Reddit AMA on October 23. Sign up for Reddit and be there!

In more important political news, this week, the Church came out against a Utah bill that would ban conversion therapy, a process to essentially flip a gay individual over to straight. The practice has long been decried by professionals and even the Church. (The Church goes to lengths to explain that Family Services expressly prohibits its counselors from employing any form of conversion therapy.) As expected, most media seized upon this with headlines along the lines of “Mormons Refuse to Denounce Conversion Therapy,” but as is the case with headlines, that fails to tell the whole story. We get more in depth about the Church’s reasons for not backing this bill, and a lot of it comes down to semantics.

Using his heightened apostolic sense, President M. Russell Ballard, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, seems to think not all is well in the United States. What could possibly be wrong?! In a meeting in Massachusetts that was broadcast across the northeast United States, President Ballard encouraged Latter-day Saints to pray for the United States, that it can be led by righteous individuals, and that proper rule of law and morality can prevail. Geoff chooses to see this as an oblique critique of the Trump administration. Josie, the expat, is baffled by such US-centric counsel coming out.

Which leads us to international news. Singapore celebrates the Church’s 50th anniversary in the country with an ecumenical bonanza! The Church’s Italy Newsroom publishes a wonderful piece about a Catholic organist who spent 12 years as the organist for a Latter-day Saint congregation because there was not an organist among them. Lastly, RootsTech isn’t just for Utah. It’s coming to London!

Pew Reseach has released its annual religion survey, but also shown changes over the past 10 years. In the United States, the number of self-professed Christians has dropped substantially since 2009 and the number of irreligious individuals has risen. Latter-day Saints, however, hold steady at 2 percent. We’re good at 2 percent.

Some quick news: the Raleigh North Carolina Temple is rededicated, Elders Rasband and Soares are on the move, a carbon monoxide leak at a meetinghouse in Provo injures 60, a Kaysville bishop has been arrested on child pornography charges, and it’s officially pumpkin season in Daybreak!!!!

Lastly, can we appreciate the train wreck that is Provo’s Most Eligible? The Beehive does, and Meg Walter is brilliant. We’ll leave you with this gif:

GIF Courtesy of The Beehive

Thanks for playing! Have a great week!

Transcript

Geoff:
[0:00] Stop whatever you’re doing right now and listen to my words have an important announcement this week in Mormons is starting for the week everybody,
you thought I was going to say something even more important but I’ll get to that in a little bit grateful that you’re all here this week on twin,
we’re going to break down lots of Latter Day Saints news for you I we hope you’ll join us on our Facebook page which is just this week in Mormons find us at the real twin on Twitter and a follow us on Instagram at this week in Mormons,
if you’re not a patreon of patreon it’s patreon.com this week in Mormons you can go there and pledged a buck a month. All I’m saying $1 a month,
$1 a month,
if I don’t see at least 10 new pledges by the end of this week I am literally going to go crazy but enough of that,
because Josie Cleve is here stifling laughter at my aunt.

Josie:
[0:52] I am a little bit I am curious do you think through your interest before you do it do you scratch this it is impromptu I have I have a little bit more respect for you.

Geoff:
[1:03] Do you actually think it would be this poor quality if I scripted it come on.

Josie:
[1:07] Well I mean.

Geoff:
[1:08] What time to write this out I would be wowing people with my my wit and cunning.

Josie:
[1:13] Well I’m glad because I feel like sometimes you know you can put a mic in front of most people and they could just climb up right and not know anything to say this is your moment to shine looks good on you Jeff.

Geoff:
[1:23] When you been doing this for 10 years 10 years almost Josie we’re coming up on 10 years we’re going to change the logo so instead of being orange is going to be cold.

Josie:
[1:32] Oh what are you doing for the anniversary.

Geoff:
[1:36] Something very gaudy but I’m not quite sure what it will be.

Josie:
[1:39] Is Al going to ignore us.

Geoff:
[1:41] I’ll might ignore us I don’t know who’s to say.

Josie:
[1:44] Seems likely.

Geoff:
[1:45] Boys have every single host on at once.

Josie:
[1:48] Fantastic it’ll be like a little montage.

Geoff:
[1:51] Everyone get one story,
and or maybe we’ll engage in some form if I don’t know self-aggrandizement I’ll put a feeler out there and say everyone record your cells and tell me how wonderful you think twin is and how wonderful I am I love words of affirmation.

Josie:
[2:08] Testimonials.

Geoff:
[2:10] It is my love language folks so if you want me to feel the love then by all means,
send me an email or leave us a review on iTunes very specifically about this love language stuff not about the quality LBX,
this is a weird tangent one I don’t feel good about the show right now.

Josie:
[2:30] Okay how you doing Jeff how’s your week been.

Geoff:
[2:35] Has just been super the Nets are going to the World Series and we are all over the moon in Washington how did this happen oh my goodness when we knocked out the Dodgers that alone,
made me so happy and then we just swept the Cardinals wonderful baseball my 4 year old is into it and he’s asking me questions about baseball and want to watch games with me and,
so that’s been the great the big big news out here in the DC area.

Josie:
[3:03] I was going to say I’m a little less comfortable uncomfortable with this tangent here I know nothing about the going ons of baseball in the.

Geoff:
[3:11] Why are the Nationals going to the World Series for the first time it’s great and then we had our Ward Trunk or Treat on Saturday and I labored extensively to build a an ambulance for my kid he wanted to be an ambulance for Halloween so we.

Josie:
[3:22] Wait he was the ambulance not your car disguised as a tie balloons for the.

Geoff:
[3:30] No he is an ambulance so we took some box some large boxes we built out an ambulance it’s a guy thing is open on the top and we put straps on a mannequin what kind of walk around with an ambulance like swinging around his hips,
but I put we put the pieces together hot glue guns lots of pain to nose strips stripes.

Josie:
[3:48] Dedication.

Geoff:
[3:49] Decoupage everywhere we even wired it up with some bad battery-powered LED lights for.

Josie:
[3:54] I was going to say does he have a little siren on top of his head like a little cherry.

Geoff:
[3:58] Knot on his head the sirens on top of the cab of think of anybody dressed him as a paramedic,
so you dressed as a paramedic with his ambulance his younger brother was a doctor so we put him in his scrubs and his lab coat and a surgeon’s hat and he walked around and the trunk and treat.

Josie:
[4:16] Very very professional minded Halloween costumes this year you driving towards them their future doctor doctor paramedic paramedic.

Geoff:
[4:27] Last year the older one was a fireman and his younger brother was a Dalmatian,
and then my wife dressed up as a fire hydrant and I wore an outfit where I was when was I was a fire.

Josie:
[4:43] Were you the fire.

Geoff:
[4:45] Why was the fire station right.

Josie:
[4:47] You should have been the flame like a fireball or something.

Geoff:
[4:50] Then we dress up our van with flames and things and said that was like the burning building so we had a whole thing going on it was.

Josie:
[4:54] Okay high is intense.

Geoff:
[4:59] This year we did not go as all out on decorating our van and so we put openshaw Memorial Hospital on the van on the sides and said the van with the hospital,
but I went for something more we had to think and print it up II’s cropped out some floating head images of famous TV doctors,
and just take them around the van and then blasted music from like the theme song of ER or Doogie Howser or scrubs classic programs that nature.

Josie:
[5:31] And all the kids were confused.

Geoff:
[5:33] No one knew what was happening,
I put Doc McStuffins on there too just for good measure hoping they figured that much out but it was.

Josie:
[5:40] No yeah.

Geoff:
[5:42] It was okay I don’t mind I thought I was amused I mean why not walk up and have a head floating head of George Clooney to sit and read about me while I’m passing out candy he was on.

Josie:
[5:51] That sounds perfect.

Geoff:
[5:51] Tre.

Josie:
[5:53] Yes thank you I’ve got that one.

Geoff:
[5:55] Anyway so.

Josie:
[5:56] Just because I don’t know the baseball doesn’t mean I didn’t know anything about ER for the record us trali got kicked out of the rugby so there’s my sporting reference thank you.

Geoff:
[6:06] Did they get kicked out by.

Josie:
[6:06] That is my one and only England yeah yeah.

Geoff:
[6:15] That’s got to be some bad blood right there I mean you can’t have the the colonizer kicking out the colony.

Josie:
[6:21] Yeah it’s not great,
no but things are well I came back from vacation I went to the states I went to a cousin’s wedding and I was actually in Utah which I usually don’t find myself,
visiting too often but so that was that was entertaining,
so my husband has quite a few different friends who live all over around Utah and even Southern Utah and so we visited a lot of people and I it was entertaining,
talking to them about like their Church experience and some people cuz they most of them have lived in other places and either return to Utah or a living there for the first time and,
whether they’ve had any sort of preconceptions about what Utah would be like in such a,
heavy Mormon community so there was there was lots of I don’t know it’s fantastic I love it’s better than I thought it was a lots of phono it’s everything you think it might be
it’s been a mixed bag.

Geoff:
[7:27] That happens to me every time I go to Utah.

Josie:
[7:29] Can I kind of hot and cold.

Geoff:
[7:31] It’s fun to be there it’s going to be at West it’s fun to see all the friends who live there and they’re like man we could we could do this right we could be out here and then you see all the other stuff and you start questioning whether.

Josie:
[7:45] It sounds like it’s very location-specific so.

Geoff:
[7:49] Only live in Salt Lake City.

Josie:
[7:52] Well I’m eating baby the downtown is fine but I guess people.

Geoff:
[7:56] Of course there’s also Daybreak always go to Daybreak.

Josie:
[7:58] I don’t even know where Daybreak is.

Geoff:
[8:00] Paradise on Earth.

Josie:
[8:02] See I don’t know I don’t know much about Utah so I literally felt like I was a Taurus there for the first time even though I have been many times in my life but I still felt like the first time again almost.

Geoff:
[8:14] Imagine if you will,
that you are among a large multinational mining company named Kennecott and you have done a great job exhausting the giant pit mine in the western part of the valley you own a lot of land in the area and you say,
what’s my next phase what’s my chapter 2 I know what it is let’s develop a master planned community in South Jordan let’s even get the church to build a temple there,
we will build all of these things and we will call it will even put an extension of the University of Utah hospital and the Terminus of a Trax line,
all that you need right there friend.

Josie:
[8:50] Oh now I know what you’re talkin about I’ve seen that.

Geoff:
[8:54] Everything in Daybreak in one place it is the land that Stepford America intended us to inherit and someday I will live there,
and I will have a ward that is one block long and it will be.

Josie:
[9:12] Okay alright I do not believe that testimony but I’m glad that you feel that way.

Geoff:
[9:20] Actually put a,
Coco the last week or so I put a random Facebook status for I said something that would be fun to live in Utah so if any of you like to know how bleed like a good job for me and Utah that be great I have a lot of experience serving ineffective government agencies.

Josie:
[9:35] No Jeff. Do this.

Geoff:
[9:37] Whatever you need I did it mostly for fun and cuz I wanted to be around mountains and I just felt like vocalizing it got a lot of play even so much that I we had family members sing white are you a serious you guys going to want to come out here and I said no.

Josie:
[9:49] Fantastic no no don’t do it Jeff. Do it.

Geoff:
[9:54] I would I would if there were like a good job in Utah sure I’ll go to you. I don’t care why not.

Josie:
[9:59] Geoff here’s my testimony we need more Mormons outside of Utah don’t go Eddie Ray’s controversial opinion but there it is.

Geoff:
[10:11] What’s fair is fair it’s fair I did I agree I think we should build Zion and many other places Utah doing fine they have 49 temples or whatever they’re at now and.

Josie:
[10:21] There are other mountains to go to Nepal for example.

Geoff:
[10:26] I should go to now.

Josie:
[10:28] Switzerland there are loads of options southern France,
Switzerland is very expensive but you would have the salary to match it I imagine I don’t know I can’t make any promises.

Geoff:
[10:43] If if I’m going for melons in Europe I probably out for the Pyrenees so I can be in my beloved Catalonia living.

Josie:
[10:52] I guess they do stretch over to Catalonia I was thinking France but.

Geoff:
[10:56] Will they form the the the spine forms the border between Spain.

Josie:
[11:00] A little bit yeah.

Geoff:
[11:03] It’s all there it’s all there has been very excited what a riveting program everybody.

Josie:
[11:06] Yes it has been I’m glad you’re doing well Jeff should we move on.

Geoff:
[11:10] You know what I want to lead off with since we’re talking about Utah let’s talk about provo’s most eligible now,
we’ve been vaguely aware of the existence of this program Provost most eligible but I mostly want to give a shout out to the Fine Riders at the Beehive and if you’re not familiar with the Beehive it is a website that’s not quite so
I almost describe how it did the tone of writing is similar to Out of the AV club which is owned by The Onion so it’s not straight satire okay it’s not like satire like the onion but if you ever if you’ve ever read the AV club a pop culture website,
owned by The Onion it’s in that vein but it’s written by Utah people for Utah audience and I died,
when I read their articles here Meg Walter you have a gift and you deserve all the love so she’s been covering provo’s most eligible,
and this is just one example season 2 episode 3 there’s been another season of this before Josie you and I were talking we believe the actual,
who provides most eligible refers to everyone involved it seems I admit I have not taken the time to even understand the exact format here cuz it’s not just a clean there’s a bachelorette and she passes out,
some sort of vaguely not quite trademarked Rose or Flora of some kind.

Josie:
[12:30] It’s like a daisy which is not very romantic at all.

Geoff:
[12:35] But there’s like three of them there’s three women and a bunch of men are there.

Josie:
[12:38] Okay there is this is where I was getting confused because most of the pictures were just of one girl some girl named Ellie
anyways so I thought initially that it was just a big group day and then I was confused thinking maybe it was more like The Bachelorette and what are they call this girl you know it she proposed most eligible I don’t know many questions where is this even daring.

Geoff:
[13:00] What time it is on The Wonder of YouTube yet.

Josie:
[13:03] Sorry that sounds fantastic who created this thing.

Geoff:
[13:11] Sorry I drove to do another article on the Beehive called Lagoon Disneyland for damper we’ll get to that one in a cell.

Josie:
[13:18] Gosh.

Geoff:
[13:19] Actually the first paragraph of it Megan I recently asked her boss Clint if you would pay for us to go to Lagoon so I can write about it he said yes because Meg is a woman and I’m gay and I told him if he ever says no to us will sue him for discrimination,
it’s like Lagoon and right across anywhere that’s the kind of.

Josie:
[13:37] Fantastic I need a job like that I’m a woman someone hire me.

Geoff:
[13:43] So I just don’t so I don’t understand the full format they have to explain what Meg goes through and watching this.

Josie:
[13:50] Is mostly squealing is like watching teens and then screaming at her TV because it’s so bad.

Geoff:
[13:56] This is so intense and violent with my reaction to this episode that my husband kept running in from the other room to make sure I was not being stabbed to death by an intruder,
I was not I was just feeling every negative emotion of human is capable of feeling because episode 3,
Pueblo’s most eligible season 2 is excruciating and should be cruel cruel cruel and unusual punishment by the courts.

Josie:
[14:21] It is it’s pretty bad and that’s just from reading her review.

Geoff:
[14:25] The girl on activities they spend forever way way too long showing all these guys at the gym I don’t know if it’s supposed to be some form of you know soft porn for the ladies or what it is watching guys get all lumpy and the gym I have no idea,
hardcore hardcore so I don’t get the format of the show there’s one girl I saw Lauren who really has to trust in the boys because she says I feel close to you so I can tell you that I’m divorced and,
well that’s a sensitive thing for.

Josie:
[14:57] Candle.

Geoff:
[14:58] They treated as if she’s saying like I had a baby that I gave up or something along those lines but instead you just as I was divorced,
it’s still serious,
the one thing that could factor in this would go back to General Conference is she saying she was married in the temple no no sorry nevermind.

Josie:
[15:20] I think this is trying to create drama where there clearly isn’t much going on in these people’s lives.

Geoff:
[15:30] They spay seem to spend a lot of time at some sort of Country Club.

Josie:
[15:35] The country club the golfing bit was possibly my favorite because there’s one guy who’s obviously taken one of the girls out for a date to teach her how to golf and then next minute there’s this picture,
him hugging her from behind which is,
no no classic moved here let me teach you how to swing this golf club so I appreciate it.

Geoff:
[15:59] Classic movie you have to do that that’s how you get that’s how you get your action that’s what you have to do and then some guy later on put on a Maga hat which is just baffling,
anyway I don’t know what I hear a recap problems most eligible but what I’m saying is if you’re not aware of one the show and you want to hate watch something probably worth your time cuz we all need to hate watch a little bit in our life.

Josie:
[16:18] Not worth your time read a book people.

Geoff:
[16:19] I mean and then we don’t do that anymore Josie you’re the only one left.

Josie:
[16:26] Apparently the book sales are up it’s a thing that’s all I got.

Geoff:
[16:32] Get out I have it on good authority that borders closed so I can’t I can’t possibly be.

Josie:
[16:38] Well of course they didn’t know they reopened in Australia is booktopia.

Geoff:
[16:42] But it’s actually Borders rebranded or.

Josie:
[16:46] No no no it’s it’s actually called booktopia but I believe I’m maybe I should check fact-check this but I’m pretty sure I looked into it when they first opened it’s by the same people who it did run Borders or maybe one of the people who work with borders,
there is some connection there maybe they were trying to make it sound like you know I worked at Borders before I have experience anyways this is far too long for.

Geoff:
[17:08] I’m enjoying this please continue now tell me everything about Barnes & Noble next go waldenbooks.

Josie:
[17:12] No yeah a little too far into my niche.

Geoff:
[17:17] Before we before we leave this story though due to the last Jeff idea of the article open right now.

Josie:
[17:22] I know but I remember it the one of hit.

Geoff:
[17:25] Sysmex kotler.

Josie:
[17:26] Mega Scott learn how to cuz it’s a bad kiss some poor little white boy trying and failing.

Geoff:
[17:35] The end of the news.

Josie:
[17:36] Even before I saw the caption I was like there’s something wrong with this what is he doing gasping for air trying to eat her face.

Geoff:
[17:44] I think what’s happening here now this is my guess my guess is normal people would perhaps French Kiss as it were and.

Josie:
[17:50] And he’s like trying to be a good boy.

Geoff:
[17:50] And they got skittish they got skittish being on camera so at this weird it’s this weird something.

Josie:
[17:58] Started so bad.

Geoff:
[17:59] I know something to hate watching that actually going to go do is read the amazing article about going to Lagoon because who doesn’t love Lagoon.

Josie:
[18:07] I don’t know but I’m I’m going to move us on to international news.

Geoff:
[18:11] Good job Utah.

Josie:
[18:11] I feel like there’s something besides Utah going on here and so,
let’s talk about let’s talk about yes of course everything else is taking place in Utah,
but for a quick moment we’re going to come to Singapore and I’m going to tell you that when was this I think this was at the end of September
I wasn’t here that’s why I’m sorry I’m not doing a very good job of covering my own country right now they are or we hosted a big,
50 year anniversary with a musical program and we had also all year the steak has been celebrating,
the church has 50 year anniversary being here in Singapore and this was just one of the events and it was this lovely performance with lots of other people from different religions,
concert all about faith you know Interfaith relations in Singapore it was a happy time so that was that,
also president Nelson is coming to Singapore I know that we’ve already announced sis and I have some horrible.

Geoff:
[19:12] Butt your butt your butt your there.

Josie:
[19:14] I have some horrible news I’m not going to be here so I have.

Geoff:
[19:18] What the heck is wrong with you you were supposed to get the great sound bite for us.

Josie:
[19:22] Yeah it’s so I’m going to try and get a friend to live tweet me what’s going on because I won’t be there yeah I have to go back to Australia and have surgery on my knee because I,
yeah I played rugby and messed it up so that was unfortunate and anyways that’s just my personal news for the week.

Geoff:
[19:42] Random little aside that why does one have to go to Australia for such a procedure when I’m sure in Singapore has good hospitals.

Josie:
[19:50] Yes they do know I would just say that the range of advice I have gotten between Singaporean doctors in Australian doctors has been quite extreme and,
that’s not to say that it wouldn’t be good here it’s more I’m tagging it on with trying to also see a new niece who will be entering the family right about then so.

Geoff:
[20:14] All right fairing.

Josie:
[20:16] Yeah I’m comfortable with this surgeon and I want to see this new baby so I just we just decided we’ll go for it.

Geoff:
[20:23] That that’s that that have casual racism whatever you want to call a picture.

Josie:
[20:30] Moving on it so there was also speaking of concerts segueing back to the Segway,
Italy celebrated a Catholic organist named alfredo,
Phillip L I write it is okay for 12 years volunteer to play the organ for one of the church Francis and Italy when they didn’t have a Pianist which I thought was,
this is a kind of a cool story so he had like read this story from 1879 I like in St George there was a Catholic priest who is try to organize Mass with a choir didn’t have a church,
didn’t really have a choir but yet he’s still trying to make this happen and his friend was the director of the Tabernacle in St George
they organized formats to be there had this lovely service and,
128 years later Alfredo is reading this and decides hey I should repay this favor and goes and finds a branch who needs an organist and travels quite a distance to go and play for them,
feel like 12 years and so they had this lovely concert for him to celebrate him and president Nelson heard about it wrote him a nice letter it was a it was a great time.

Geoff:
[21:46] This is a great example of like the great things because this is carried by the church’s website in Italy right,
and I’ve appreciated that The Newsroom is started doing an international news Roundup itself it clearly. Because I’ve seen what you’ve been doing Josie I think that’s why.

Josie:
[22:04] I think so but the international Roundup still isn’t great I’ll give them back.

Geoff:
[22:10] I know it’s not so it’s fun to dig around you realize there’s a lot more there’s a lot of history in the church around the world it’s so easy to think about it being in the way you taught nucleus sort of thing and we’re all feeding into that but what a great store.

Josie:
[22:23] Unless quick one I mentioned for anyone who is at London the rootstech conference is on,
quite currently been in about three days yet from the 24th so if you want to learn about family history or like technology that could help you do so that’s the same and that my international news so a little quiet this week,
pretty good we need like some really good classic like 90s news like Segway and we move on to the next.

Geoff:
[22:57] Not a problem consider it done.

Josie:
[22:58] National news thank you all right.

Geoff:
[23:00] A real quick I want to take a brief pause just to let you all know about something going on this Wednesday while I still have your attention I will be appearing in a Reddit ask-me-anything a Reddit Ama,
from 9:30 to 11:30 Mountain Time Utah time this coming Wednesday October 23rd so if you are a redditor go to reddit.com are Latter Day Saints which is the biggest Latter Day Saints on Reddit,
if you want to hang out on there you can ask me anything at all anything in the world that you have moderators so if you make it profane or dirty it will not make it through people Al,
you the one I’m talking to right now I just want to let you all know what’s going on so please check that out if you created to support the AMA if you’re into reading and if not make an account just for this,
and when you can hear about what we’re talkin about basically 10 years of covering Latter Day Saints news The Good the not as good,
but how in my case I feel like having done so is actually strengthen my faith overall and I think made me a better person I hope that’s so that’s where the lines were looking through but going to be a big discussion about all sorts of things 2 hours of Jeff,
come on you know if you hear my voice so just want to throw that out.

Josie:
[24:17] That’s your selling point you don’t have to hear my voice.

Geoff:
[24:21] I’m not very good at sales okay.

Josie:
[24:24] I thought it was a great pitch I think you’d be interested like a hopefully you’ll get some good questions about like the changes that you’ve seen trying to do some of the new stuff.

Geoff:
[24:35] That’s the weirdest part just real quick has been there when we started this week, the only podcast in that space and now LDS podcasting in general has grown a ton in the 10 years that we’ve been doing twin,
but there’s also specific shows that are the Fallen similar format to we’re doing no covering Latter Day Saints news but we are the original,
that’s all it was a join me on Wednesday Fox Wednesday morning would be great to have you.

Josie:
[25:01] Can we move on to submit Rami stuff real quick.

Geoff:
[25:03] You never have to ask permission to do anything involving Willard Romney course please.

Josie:
[25:05] Alrighty didn’t realize we are worshipping him now Okay so.

Geoff:
[25:12] Does he not ride a white horse.

Josie:
[25:14] There’s two that was fantastic there are two quick bits about Mitt Romney will actually he’s got quite a lot of press this week,
one is that I had a,
Google over and also have some questions for you Jeff is there was something in the LA Times about this prophecy that we will have like a Mormon.

Geoff:
[25:40] Cuz there’s no hanging by a thread…….

Josie:
[25:42] Yeah who like one day the Constitution will hang by a thread and a Mormon or group of Mormons will save the nation and apparently this is called the White Horse prophecy I’ve never heard of this,
but the way this op-ed starts is that,
that’s like Romney would have grown up with this hearing this from Bishops and other things and that people have whoever this writer was I forgot I’m sorry of this generation would have heard this all the time I’ve never heard of this.

Geoff:
[26:12] Oh yes the white the white horse prophecy is delightfully apocryphal and it’s kind of a lot more in the Trump era.

Josie:
[26:20] Oh is it oh excellent what if I stumble into.

Geoff:
[26:23] Oh it’s it’s a it’s a whole.

Josie:
[26:25] Very entertaining to read
and I love the whole idea that maybe Mitt Romney’s going to be at the one who fulfills the prophecy by supporting the impeachment of trump really my eyes big but,
I guess I I mean I guess that was it really there was another.

Geoff:
[26:47] Let me give you some.

Josie:
[26:48] Times that follow.

Geoff:
[26:48] Let me give you some background of Seattle White Horse prophecy is not a confirmed thing to just Smith actually espoused allegedly it says it just,
Smith argued that the one day the Constitution would hang like a thread but be saved as you said but be saved by Latter-Day Saints there’s an embellished version that even says it will be saved by the efforts of the White House,
so there’s a problem is this is all as I said before it’s not perfectly attributed and.

Josie:
[27:18] Yeah my understanding is of a church tries to distance itself from it but there’s still like some obviously some people who did hear it,
spoken of like by local church leaders or you know maybe it came up in priesthood session over Relief Society.

Geoff:
[27:36] So what do you want one of the prostrate mean is the LA Times a sort of running with this is if it’s like a.

Josie:
[27:41] As if it’s yeah an actual prophecy athame yeah.

Geoff:
[27:45] And it’s not it’s it’s there’s nothing official about it is not canon it’s nothing like that so we do not officially believe,
that the constitution will be hanging by a thread in only White Horse things involve the naturally in times like these many say oh my goodness is it is Mitt Romney the one
it happened ironically I don’t want to get together funny part about this and yes he’s been everywhere pretty much because of trump news also last week they got images of Kim Kim Jeong Hoon.

Josie:
[28:12] That was so good.

Geoff:
[28:13] North Korea riding around the mountains on a white horse and we’re like also know we don’t know what’s going to come like this.

Josie:
[28:21] It’s not just the mountains it’s Mount paektu this is a big deal for shadowing some.

Geoff:
[28:25] Yeah we did not like I did not think that the prophecy was going to become true because of North Korea that’s the last thing I expected is North Korea coming to save the US Constitution.

Josie:
[28:37] I must say he looks much taller on that white horse and he is in real life so there’s been some serious photoshopping going on.

Geoff:
[28:45] I’ll just because a horse you see is very high off the ground.

Josie:
[28:48] No I mean like his legs look longer like he’s 8 squats little man so I can put it at Target on my back.

Geoff:
[28:58] No just go to China.

Josie:
[28:58] Let’s move on.

Geoff:
[28:59] Winnie the Pooh jokes.

Josie:
[29:01] Yeah it was the other Mitt Romney bit which is
fantastic so you were saying that McKay coppins published a profile of Romney in the Atlantic this week and then off the back of that there was a
there was a short little mention about how he has a secret Twitter account so that he can,
lurk which is just terrible word choice.

Geoff:
[29:27] But that’s what he says he’s.

Josie:
[29:28] This guy fulfilling the prophecy.

Geoff:
[29:30] Mitt Romney said what do they call music is it a lurker that’s exactly.

Josie:
[29:34] Oh my gosh yeah,
spectator at like there are other words that are not great but could have been slightly better anyways so then obviously this reporter from Slate is like 100% I got to find this guy and finance account and he has been revealed.

Geoff:
[29:48] Because MIT said how many followers.

Josie:
[29:51] Yeah he’s yeah that he had listed how many followers he had but hadn’t said what his actual leichtag and what his name is but I’m the reporter feels very confident that they have found him and his name is,
Pierre delecto which is a,
delicious I’m most fascinated by how a person perhaps goes about choosing such a pseudonym.

Geoff:
[30:17] Alias yeah.

Josie:
[30:18] I have no idea did he think the Pierre would throw people off and maybe he’s French what is delecto.

Geoff:
[30:26] I think that’s too I think it was too obvious as well because Romney famously went on a mission to France he still speaks French you know.

Josie:
[30:33] Maybe that’s.

Geoff:
[30:35] That’s probably it probably was part of it so it makes sense but why be peer he should have been Pedro delecto to really throw all this off.

Josie:
[30:44] There’s selections made up no one has the last name name delecto Shirley.

Geoff:
[30:48] Doubt it but what’s funny is so slate identified this and then so McKay coppins spoke with Romney after the fact on Sunday night and he said like as it’s actually you and it run me just said simois.

Josie:
[31:03] Oh my word.

Geoff:
[31:04] That was his only response.

Josie:
[31:06] That is fantastic.

Geoff:
[31:11] Every blessings blessings so much the problem is is ruined all of Mitt Romney’s lurking.

Josie:
[31:17] Yeah I mean he obviously has to shut down. Maybe open it up with I don’t know maybe try Pedro.

Geoff:
[31:27] I just ruined it all if he’s if he’s anything goes if you look at Pierre’s Twitter feed interacting with people even when Mitt Romney is hiding when is it when is Holi Hai.

Josie:
[31:39] Is like trying to talk about himself in the third person it’s very strange.

Geoff:
[31:41] He’s still he’s also still so like classic restrained Mitt Romney even when his identity is obfuscated he just he can’t help himself it’s a two years,
incidentally will be the profile of him in the Atlantic has a very good reads very interesting one of my favorite parts of it is when he discusses,
how much he likes the Senate like is there a way to the caves, he said,
no I said people who are really friendly they’re really nice except Bernie you said laughing he’s a curmudgeon it’s not that he’s mean or whatever he just kind of scowls you know.

Josie:
[32:21] Is gravity.

Geoff:
[32:23] This is for Bernie it seems like this is kind of who he is as to finding his entire person for me it’s part of who I am and not the whole person of course McKay goes on to make,
the point that Romney views this is like,
one phase of his career but it doesn’t Define him and that’s part of why you being so bullish against Trump because he for one he’s not up for re-election for five more years he doesn’t care if he’s re-elected nothing to lose so he’s just doing his thing,
I need to be impaired delecto which is amazing.

Josie:
[32:52] I don’t understand I have so many more questions after the profile than I did before.

Geoff:
[33:00] I remember one time there’s actually haven’t restored to this all texted me and Utah and he said dude I’m at the movies and Mitt Romney sitting in front of me what do I do what do I say to him.

Josie:
[33:12] Reach over just give him a little shoulder shoulder massage hey there Romney.

Geoff:
[33:16] What I would love if any of you list any of you listening somehow,
happened to go to the temple and bump into elder brother wrong at the temple which won’t happen in DC cuz our temples closed so if you please approach him and say brother delecto how are you doing.

Josie:
[33:36] Yes.

Geoff:
[33:37] Please do this.

Josie:
[33:39] Say it in French.

Geoff:
[33:41] Moleskine,
most viewed delecto.

Josie:
[33:45] Monster delecto so bad,
who came up with that who proved,
surely one of his children was like Dad now this is this isn’t going to come out well for you.

Geoff:
[34:01] Pretty strong all right.

Josie:
[34:02] Oh dear.

Geoff:
[34:04] So kind of since we’re sort of political stuff there’s some political things that are just right politics of churches involved and so let’s get to it so big news over the weekend there was a,
president Ballard’s the acting president of the Quorum of The Twelve Apostles at Elder d Todd christofferson,
spoke to a gathering of saints in Worcester Massachusetts about 12,000 people,
this is broadcast all over the base with the North America Northeast area of the church I was supposed to watch this live and I did not cuz it was at 4 p.m.
on a Sunday that’s not going anywhere but what happened in this it was a whole long devotional but this main part in the end was when,
president Ballard urged us to to quote join a new movement,
by inviting neighbors friends colleagues and everyone to pray for the United States its leaders,
and it’s families this is quote he says our nation was founded on prayer it was preserved by prayer and we need prayer again I plead with you this evening to pray for this country for our leaders for our people and for the families that live in this great nation
founded by God.

[35:15] Which was interesting they want to later to say we must stand boldly for righteousness and truth that must have been the cause of honor and decency in personal freedom espouse my Washington Madison Adams Lincoln and other leaders who acknowledged and loved,
I don’t want on this poor this is a very interesting Call to Arms and a sent this was going to be broadcast for the Northeast it’s very intrigued.

[35:48] You feel like you seem to have thoughts Joe that you’re the city.

Josie:
[35:50] Are there suddenly like a dozen thoughts all trying to burst at about the same time it is interesting I don’t think there’s anything wrong with obviously asking people to,
to pray more right,
haha should I put this okay so I friend of mine recently sort of said to me,
with stories like this and actually one that will talk about in a moment that sometimes it feels like our Global Church isn’t very Global and this is kind of where this one falls into a line with me is that yeah
go for it pray for your country’s leaders that’s a good thing I don’t really know why it needs a shout-out specifically in the US.

Geoff:
[36:37] Why do you think Josie why.

Josie:
[36:39] Other places well I mean just think about you know,
I’m sure the Saints and Russia could use some support no one’s asking them to pray for Putin like.

Geoff:
[36:51] That’s part of that’s the issue.

Josie:
[36:54] I mean that’s obviously extreme but there are loads of places.

Geoff:
[36:58] The brother with a cross the line and say Russian Saints pray for like the freedom of your government stuff the turkey just get banned completely from Russia and Temple in an as-yet-unannounced.

Josie:
[37:07] But they’re there are people suffering all over the world,
because of governments I don’t know maybe just the emphasis on the US like sure the US needs prayer and support No Doubt,
I don’t know it just seems a little like pies the focus just here.

Geoff:
[37:30] We’ll also bear in mind that even though this is making news this was in a meeting specific that was specifically for the North America Northeast area,
nnn whenever you’re in meetings like that,
whether to stick meaning of a regional meeting or whatever the brother intend to frame their remarks a little bit more specifically for the area in question so that since it doesn’t I don’t think it’s it’s not General Conference they’re not saying in general conference pray for the United States in a meeting,
American Saints they’re saying pray for your country but of course this kind of story gets picked up for us all to think about and what have you.

Josie:
[38:04] Exactly so sorry go ahead.

Geoff:
[38:05] I don’t know just one thing I know it’s important remember of course that the brother in while Apostles and Wild,
depressed about it a point to say that she said as an apostle I have a solemn duty to face the Lord
and deliver his message his words often include words of encouragement expressions of Love. They also include words of warning so important to remember as well they have that responsibility as apostles
they are also ambassadors
by and large that’s one of their biggest roles whether it’s here in the US or globally and I imagine that think they have a bit more leeway to say things like this in a country like the United States
we have such freedoms where they’re sensitive to it if it’s a country where we’re trying to make inroads and of course there’s endemic corruption across the board,
would it better serve the church to have President Ballard you know traveling to,
show the Democratic Republic of the Congo on being like that your country will stop being so freaking messed up,
or and by the way thanks for letting us build the temple government we appreciate it like there’s there’s a there’s a line and and of course there’s all the other stuff that we believe that America is divinely founded uniquely so compared to other,
countries I hate to say it but that’s an actual Latter Day Saints belief we believe the Declaration of Independence is inspired documents that’s Canon.

Josie:
[39:22] Yes okay so thoughts obviously if you’re going to Congo or Myanmar or someplace else you don’t have to freeze.

Geoff:
[39:30] I want things to go to Myanmar that’s nice jump their Josie.

Josie:
[39:34] Art’s just picking places that could maybe like you some support right all you got to say is like,
pray for your families pray for church leaders pray for your local leaders like we we like to stick with the whole like be civilly involved,
it doesn’t have to go much further so I think it’s more that just like I have no problem with President Ballard say these things but maybe to me and maybe just from like an international lens but you can,
he’s not saying this to me so I got but it’s kind of pointless for me to have any comments on this cuz I don’t live in New England
but it may be just maybe when it kind of comes down to is the emphasis on like,
the church and does he say you know the belief that the constitution Declaration of Independence are also divinely-inspired just sometimes just sounded,
like the emphasis has just on that if that is that make sense.

Geoff:
[40:39] No I don’t like that I think it’s.

Josie:
[40:41] I don’t really have a problem with this it was an interesting it was an interesting way to phrase things I wouldn’t have raised that way but obviously I’m not the one Speaking.

Geoff:
[40:50] Well you are not an apostle so.

Josie:
[40:52] No I am not so he must I don’t know maybe he knows something I don’t know so.

Geoff:
[40:58] I admit it’s got to be weird I think,
if you’re International Latter Day Saint I understand completely cuz it’s like we like you said we talked about being an International Church but then inevitably we wind up being us Centric and many fronts even though they were trying to get better,
I this is this is Jeff belief territory right here okay but I think so in the United States,
all the church has a lot of freedom to speak out on issues
the D Johnson Amendment which is the law that governs 501 3C nonprofit organizations which is what the church tax exempt and why don’t have to reveal its finances in the United States,
part of that though is a lack of political involvement so you can see the church has a legal right in the US to speak out,
on issues on propositions like in Utah for example in Utah I was working to get to in a second or even National stuff what it does not have the legal ability to do is to endorse political candidates,
now I don’t know that the Brethren care a ton who’s occupying the Oval Office necessarily like the part of the individual,
but I would assume they care about the tenor of what’s coming out of there and at the end I don’t think it’s being hyperbolic to argue that while the Constitution might not be hanging by a thread I think if we get away from.

[42:22] Policy golden policy differences in just look at sort of the imaginations of the US government I think it’s in a very bad place right now and,
so much so that I personally am very concerned about actually the long-term health of our government.

[42:37] Based on everything it’s been going down when you have,
co-equal branches of government not governing what note check and balances don’t exist,
I don’t think we should be concerned about regardless of whether or not you support like
the agenda coming from the Oval Office right now I think we can separate those two things and I would think the brother and given their the belief that the constitution is divinely-inspired this country has a special place,
to see the issues we have it play I think this is a call to Arms,
working around the confines of the Johnson Amendment we’re essentially they they are going to name names they are going to be too specific but they’re going to say pray for decency pray for our leaders pray,
the better things can come in the country can be resilient and kind of saying like Prince this could be better without acknowledging publicly that it’s not what it should be.

Josie:
[43:33] Sure yeah I got that.

Geoff:
[43:35] I believe that’s a lot of what is behind this and I think a lot of what the church has come out with over the past three years has been pretty,
clearly critical of some of the things that have come out of the industry.

Josie:
[43:47] I mean end we have no place to say anything critical about like asking the Saints to pray more got no problems with that needs to call to arms but that the little tree.

Geoff:
[43:58] The call to bear arms Josie bear arms show up.

Josie:
[44:01] Maybe we got a few hymns in the handbook that are somewhat similar to Hino buried arms like fight for your face and they’re always just ones that I kind of think maybe just cuz I might as a ward missionary right now,
and I kind of think I really want to sing one of these if I bring someone along.

Geoff:
[44:20] We should well thankfully which I mean which popular one talks about fighting for your faith I can’t even think about that.

Josie:
[44:25] Oh it’s the word Christian Soldiers.

Geoff:
[44:28] Cuz we really sing We Sing 10 which one.

Josie:
[44:31] Is it Onward Christian Soldiers it’s a bit of a Marchi one.

Geoff:
[44:33] Might be Onward Christian Soldiers marching off to.

Josie:
[44:43] Remember if it’s that water there was another one I can’t think of it now.

Geoff:
[44:46] You’ll be happy to know that was going to Latter-day Saint exclusive though.

Josie:
[44:51] Oh I mean I’m not physically thrilled about that but I sure.

Geoff:
[44:56] Marching off to war.

Josie:
[44:59] Off the top of my head.

Geoff:
[45:00] You might have been thinking of that one I mean there’s a Elders of Israel but that’s not quite as,
Onward Christian Soldiers marching to war with the cross of Jesus.

Josie:
[45:09] It’s a metaphor I understand it’s fine the hymn books being redone anyways.

Geoff:
[45:15] I know right.

Josie:
[45:17] Goes in and stays anyways so I’m going to move on to our next big political peace which most people I think would have heard quite a lot about,
yeah Utah and the church are in major headlines that aren’t entirely accurate but then somewhat have a layer of truth about,
being against this licensing rule in Utah for,
I’m State hired psychologist maybe state hard isn’t quite the phrase anyways licensees rule,
against Banning conversion therapy for lgbtq that’s basically what we’re talking to.

Geoff:
[46:00] And that at the root of this the church used to even push for conversion therapy so called back in the day and we’ve kind of turned out an ounce to conversion therapy itself but now the church is not going to back a bill that would actually Banette it illegal up.

Josie:
[46:14] Yeah well so there’s a little little bit of History that’s happened just with this this year which there was a house built in Utah,
in February but it did not advance and the bill would have made it you know it illegal for therapist in the state to try and change a person
bright young person this is just to leave for minors to change a Young Person’s sexual orientation or gender identity the church,
facts about previous pill well either they backed it or they just didn’t say anything against it so
will count that as they backed it but that deal fell through and so now instead.

[46:51] They’re trying to go through as I said this sort of Licensing rule that it would prohibit therapist it is essentially kind of the same thing it’s just now,
a state law specifically for the psychologist anyways but the church has,
while they denounced any abusive treatments like
electric shock therapy or like I’m induced vomiting like for conversion therapy there against all of that and they denounce that but they are against this licensing rule which would make it.

[47:25] Would prohibit therapist from practicing this conversion therapy so it feels
and it’s been picked up in the Press because it feels a little bit contradictory so I’ve been trying to dig into this to figure out what exactly is going on they released a statement which I believe you shared on our Facebook page that,
I’m essentially just says that the licensing rule was ambiguous and key areas over reaches and others their kind of saying that it’s Vega,
Broad and spells to protect individual religious beliefs and does not account for important realities of gender identity in the development of children
which,
there’s a letter like more of a formal legal letter that the church wrote up and sent to the Border whoever’s trying to
decide on this licensing agreement there’s been a lot of like public Outreach and.

[48:25] Personal stories that have been shared while they’ve been trying to make this decision the church is just one of those all though arguably,
maybe one of the more powerful voices that are,
reaching out on this my understanding is that some of the things that they’re concerned about is that,
the realities of gender identity and development of children that phrase right there where they’re sort of saying.

[48:51] Are there they wants Family Services to be able to take like a watch and see approach which is,
basically they don’t want to claim a child’s gender identity to be different than their biological,
sex at Birth so that’s where they kind of get a little bit uneasy and throughout the letter they actually,
quoted quite a lot of research mostly just to show that,
or they’re their idea was to show that there isn’t much of a consensus on on gender identity and gender dysphoria,
however there were a couple of moments where or at least one specific example where they quoted a study that has been quite controversial and has had some amendments and some people believe has been completely disproved and they have,
the one that I didn’t quite agree with was there’s sort of statement afterwards which is you know we don’t agree with this study were not supporting the study however it does point out that there’s not a consensus Within
psychological World on how to deal with this which I don’t really think that you can quote a controversial study and then say you know I’m using this for my argument but I don’t support it but it proved
you know it’s supports my argument so that what I didn’t think was quiet what are your thoughts.

Geoff:
[50:16] Well if you’re if you read in the brief I mean you’ve hit on most of the points but sewing in part D at talks about why the rule is goes overboard
basically cuz it make it points at Family Services does not support any of these therapy these actual types of therapies however they are worried that the proposed rule Define sexual orientation to not only to include not only,
quote gendered patterns and attraction quote feelings like homosexuality but also behavior and identity related to these patterns so that they offer a couple of examples of how a therapist would normally just work through some of the churches arguing
a therapist in a certain situation I would be unable to perform his or her job based on the,
the definitions of the bill so a lot of this is about semantics the church simply arguing the.

[51:05] This build a way to explain things could limit a therapist ability to do his or her job so here’s some examples like a 12 year old boy with same-sex attraction confides in a therapist that he is spending many hours a day looking at homosexual pornography
the boy explains that this is inconsistent with his values and that makes him feel ashamed and depressed and he seeks counseling to assist in the limiting that behavior
another example of a seventeen-year-old girl with that who is bisexual confides to a therapist that she was forming intense emotional attachment with girls are the same age
she says these relationships often include some degree of physical involvement such as hand holding cuddling and kissing she explains that these behaviors are contrary to her faith and values that they make her feel depressed and confusing that she is deeply concerned that these behaviors
will prevent her for remaining active and faithful in her chosen Faith Community something that she explains is Central to her identity
she speaks counseling to a sister and changing behaviors related to her attraction the last one similar a 16 year old boy with same-sex attraction openly identifies as gay.

[52:04] It was also deeply religious his faith teaches him that it is God’s will the sexual relations occur only within a traditional male female marriage he’s uncertain how
he will ultimately reconcile his sexual orientation with his religious beliefs they making a decision about same-sex intimacy and tell he is an adult
and graduated from high school,
he seeks counseling during his high school years to help him reduce the intensity of his sexual desires by prioritizing other aspects of his identity including his religious identity so he can abstain from sex,
at least until he is an adult
and has completed high school so sorry for writing all those but the church is arguing the quote by sweeping into the definition of sexual orientation change efforts the nine therapies designed to address these and other situations involving behaviors
behaviors but not the orientation itself
he proposed rule on its face with threaten the licenses of ethical therapist merely for a sipping such client and attaining their self-determined goals so far this is,
no no we’re in here is a client trying to actually nangia Phi somebody not trying to turn anybody straight there trying to help them with.

[53:15] Behaviors surrounding their homosexuality and get where they want to be so you can kind of see where this is coming from this is the sort of thing,
that is more complex and is so easily lost in the world of sound bites and gotcha journalism and all that that was just wants to Simply say the church,
is not against Banning conversion therapy right then that’s easy headline but it’s more nuanced than that I also think what’s interesting here is,
Elder Oaks sort of talked about this news conference talk before all this.

Josie:
[53:46] I was going to get to that.

Geoff:
[53:47] Yeah he’s okay but that will take away from your big sort of tell us why.

Josie:
[53:51] How did it all go for it it was just yeah his one sound bite being,
now I’ve lost it that the guy just have one of the parts of the statement that males and females are identified by biological sex at Birth I don’t know if there was more to it that you were going to hit on them.

Geoff:
[54:09] There was also part of this kind of in this brief or he said that’s essentially,
basically that their kids at a certain age might feel that they are a different gender or or or that their experience homosexual feelings and he argued that,
like kids are they just don’t know it at that point and like they can’t from those ideas until later in life and this brief says very similar things which is so the timing is interesting,
considering that talk happened right before all.

Josie:
[54:35] Yes is there there a few things I think that you pointed out that really the key here that I think the church would be concerned about is that they won’t be able to treat or address behaviors so for example
the 12 year old boy watching a homosexual porn that doesn’t make a person gay,
it’s unfortunately just very common that there’s a lot of different types of corn in a lot of people watched a lot of different types of point and then get very confused about what their sexuality maybe but what they’re actually trying to treat in this give an example
is to not watch porn anymore so it’s not
actually even really talking about whether they’re not trying to address in this particular moment whether or not,
like his feelings towards same-sex same-sex attraction but just he’s trying to say I don’t really want to watch porn anymore,
that being said there’s been some other reports from other psychologists who say no know this ruling do you know,
you can treat behaviors what we are trying to protect here is just strictly imperially,
conversion therapy so why would the church be against this so there are some different opinions of whether or not Behavior would be.

[55:53] Attacked or if like or if psychologist wouldn’t be able to treat these particular sorts of instances so I’m hearing some conflicting advice on that which is a little bit interesting
but I would also kind of say maybe this is just my own,
personal opinion and some observations I would say that as a church and as a church culture we’ve been a little bit more we got to a point where were more accepting of.

[56:19] Gay and lesbian relationships we understand that a little better where we are struggling and where I think this document kind of struggles is within transgender or difference
different gender identities and also gender dysphoria which just to be clear on that is
specifically about the distress you’d feel if you feel like your identity is different than your biological sex so that’s specifically trying to address
that distress and concerned that you feel trying to understand that ends,
so that like there are certain instances in this letter where they talk about as you say what president Oaks was saying of,
transgender children can’t know they tried to bring that up in this letter as well but then they also bring up things that you know usually
children who declare themselves as transgender also have there been some studies that say that they also have been diagnosed with other mental illnesses there are just some things that
are I think a little cringy and a bit uncomfortable and I can see why they don’t settle very well with
the LGBT community is mostly what this kind of comes down to for me is why is the church getting involved in this one it seems like the rules.

Geoff:
[57:48] I need the churches getting involved in it because it’s protecting Family Services ability.

Josie:
[57:53] It’s protecting Family Services yeah yeah as opposed to perhaps just,
getting rid of conversion therapy which I hope and sincerely
believe is not happening and Family Services anymore there’s still been some stories that have come out like within the past decade that haven’t been too great but I don’t think that
I hope it isn’t anymore but also one arguments like against this rule,
I’m that some others have put forward is that people should be able to get the therapy they want so if a teenager really doesn’t want to be gay than they could seek out convergence there,
but I would kind of argue that is a therapist it’s probably not your job to give you a client what they want,
and that you know it’s this is supposed to be a tool to help
you know a young person through that whole Quagmire of Teenage life and then to throw in like gender identity and lgbtq issues in at least got to be so difficult and confusing for them and I just so I don’t know where this is going to land I don’t know if this is going to kill the ruling
and it’s there won’t be any changes to it I’m not entirely sure if I’m.

[59:04] Convinced which would be better one way or another to me it sounded like the rules was pretty straightforward even if it was a little bit over Broad,
but mostly for me and there’s there’s another option that’s come out after this which is sort of like,
why is our church getting involved or that they should get out of Utah politics that was something that was just published in the trip following this whole conversion therapy headlines,
although.

[59:39] Well I kind of agree with that idea that maybe we shouldn’t get too involved in politics I know that that’s not necessarily what everyone else believes,
what do you think Jeff should we have said anything about this ruling.

Geoff:
[59:57] I don’t know why I guess.

Josie:
[59:59] We had to have known how it was going to come out I understand that it’s totally like it’s very subtle and nuanced and mostly about semantics but they had to have known what this is going to sound like.

Geoff:
[1:00:10] Yeah,
did they do I mean how they don’t know how it’s going to be covered I think in this case it’s a defensive move I think it is to protect Family Services I think it was it a precedent as well I would be curious to see if if a bill we revise the language
I am the way the church wants if the church would then say okay that’s cool that would be the interesting test because if they can resolve,
the church’s main area protests which which does not seem to be about banning conversion therapy outright in a way that play Kate’s the church,
then will the church say cool dude we’re fine we’re not freaked out anymore do what you want or will there then be another issue and then we’ll see what’s Reno,
the game is afoot and I don’t know what happened,
mute the thing is I agree that I think it’s strange sometimes the way the church is involved in Utah politics this when I get a little bit more because I think it’s protecting one of its own institutions
other areas for example like the medical marijuana bill or the the,
what does zion Zion curtain how alcohol is hidden from view when you go to restaurants and stuff those things that I am baffled and I don’t fully understand why the church has to weigh in on any of that just who cares I don’t care if I see a bottle,
of Grey Goose at a restaurant.

Josie:
[1:01:26] Is it is it actually called design.

Geoff:
[1:01:28] Another sign Chris is Ian Curtis got a funny name I’m blanking on it right now but you all know what I’m talking about.

Josie:
[1:01:34] Yeah I do.

Geoff:
[1:01:36] Anywho pivoting thank you Josie for this discussion.

Josie:
[1:01:41] The monologue.

Geoff:
[1:01:42] A real quick here Pugh the Pew research service has compiled a report that was released last week showing a decline in American religious habits over the last decade so it shows that the 2009 the number of Americans,
who describe themselves as Christians is down from 77% to 65% and it also shows the number of Americans who say they have no religion is up
from 17% to 26% mean while the number of Latter-day Saints self-identified remains 2%,
it’s pretty much been the norm in the US for a very long time so the upside hears eventually when the United States hit 98% are religious,
the only religious people left in the country will be morning so that we going to be in the other churches know what I’m going to church.

Josie:
[1:02:28] But our plan all along.

Geoff:
[1:02:29] I hope not cuz then we’ll still be it’ll be a bunch of bunch of atheists and agnostics and then just mormant that’s it I don’t think that’ll be the case worth reading into.

Josie:
[1:02:42] Like I think a key to point is that it’s just focusing on Christianity it hasn’t addressed Islam
or Judaism like there there’s a couple others that aren’t included in this they were mostly just looking at like Catholicism what else do they have.

Geoff:
[1:02:59] Yeah pretty much all the typical fit pew pew studies a lot and it wasn’t into as they say,
so 84% of the silent generation which of the generation born between 1928 and 1945 I guess they’re called that because of,
presumably the stock market crashed 84% identify as Christian but compared with 49% of millennials
identify as Christians and like you said that that’s Christian and that doesn’t that does not account for the growing ranks of,
other faiths from in our population as well like is out to saying,
was that 35% just stopped being Christian that also means that we’ve had more send everybody else hopefully a lot of zoroastrians you know I don’t know everybody just showing up at once,
a couple of quick mentions hear the North Carolina temple one of the many temples that was destroyed and then rebuilt was rededicated by,
president Ballard so congratulations North Carolina it’s been rebuilt from the ground up same kind of General mini Temple stuff but a little bit different
I also real quick a bunch of Apostles travel to States the minister I think that’s all I’m going to say about it we talk about other Elders Kristofferson in Ballard that a rasband went to Elder Elder went to Arizona,
what the Texas.

Josie:
[1:04:13] Texas.

Geoff:
[1:04:13] And the last one I’m going to mention real quick is there was a carbon monoxide leak at at Provo meeting house that has injured at least 60 people some of whom potentially permanently,
which is terrible the big take away from those people is a list I mean we’re all responsible for the health of our buildings for church,
but I think a lot of this is on the FM group like straight up,
carbon dioxide detectors are cheap and if we’re not keeping track of when they’ve been installed in every building we’re in and keeping tabs on their life cycles and when they need to be replaced and it’s pretty much all they are or whether the batteries are hardwired whatever might be,
it’s a little thing but we are doing ourselves a serious the service cuz carbon monoxide poisoning is no joke and this is incredibly easily preventable if we just try to be a little more responsible terrible.

Josie:
[1:05:05] Devastating I have one last mention although this is really not a happy note to end.

Geoff:
[1:05:15] Clarinda pumpkin season man.

Josie:
[1:05:17] Alright okay alright we can finish on pumpkin season but real quick so there was a Kaysville Bishop who is being currently investigated for child portal,
and also potentially for sex crimes as well I think there will maybe be more news on that so this I think Falls usually under the twin sisters Mormons Behaving Badly.

Geoff:
[1:05:37] They are doing next week will let them explore it more.

Josie:
[1:05:39] I k I would just say to me it’s important to flag because I think ever since the whole Catholic priest Global sex scandal,
continues to unfold I think sometimes I see and the press that
I’m all Christian churches kind of groups in together as we have men who are in positions of power and have,
influence over children that must be happy in it every sort of church and while I think that it’s very important to for us to acknowledge that we are
not immune to this in our church but I also still don’t think that this is evidence of systemic abuse and cover-ups which I’m grateful for it
my understanding is the bishop has been removed and is obviously again as I said,
undergoing investigation and that’s pretty serious stuff and then here we go pumpkin season because,
Mormons obviously can’t get up pumpkin spice latte so there’s some,
cookies story from the Trib of a group,
people who have like hollowed-out giant pumpkins some of them being like thousands of pounds and decided to like go canoe around in a lake so that is the next level of,
are pumpkin,
I don’t know I don’t understand the pumpkin thing sorry I’m really my eyes again it’s been it’s been entertaining actually here.

Geoff:
[1:07:05] Culture don’t be a jerk.

Josie:
[1:07:06] Fall or rather awesome is it in Singapore does it have any Seasons whatsoever but there are still some people who are so obsessed with pumpkin there like where can I get pumpkin in Singapore they want to feel
cold weather and the desire to wear a sweater here and it’s just so hot so it’s interesting that we take our Pumpkin love wherever we go.

Geoff:
[1:07:30] I want to understand.

Josie:
[1:07:30] Apparently to the lake.

Geoff:
[1:07:31] I know you know what you like that was in Josie,
Oquirrh Lake in South Jordan in Daybreak people this happened to Dave rea.

Josie:
[1:07:40] Oh they right here we go again.

Geoff:
[1:07:41] Cuz Daybreak has pumpkin Regatta is Daybreak,
wonderful place thank U Daybreak for all that you do,
I think all of you for tuning in this week and spending the past hour with myself and do lovely and erudite Josie cleave wonderful to have you,
always a pleasure glad to have you we missed you a month ago or so you were traveling so we’re glad you’re back,
back in the saddle books we appreciate if you haven’t done so it’s review so we can know what we can do better and what we’re doing well seriously otherwise I hope you have a great week,
for Josie I’m Jeff and everyone be excellent to each other.