It’s a week of temples, Halloween post mortems, garment reviews, and Church school news. Jared Gillins is back to bring his special brand of wit and brilliance to the proceedings.

Are ward trunk or treat activities ruining the community vibe of Halloween (i.e. are parents not bothering with actual Halloween in the neighborhood in favor of the ward activity)? One op-ed writer for the Salt Lake Tribune seems to think so.

If you have ever been in a leadership position, you might be familiar with the wonder that is the “reporting month.” The problem is, the “quarterly” report is poorly representative of actual attendance and outreach efforts. The Church is looking to change that a bit with a move to count and record sacrament meeting attendance weekly. This is huge! Trust us.

We’re One Step Closer to the End of the ‘Reporting Month’ with Weekly Sacrament Meeting Attendance Records

On to temple news. Moses Lake, Washington, a reasonably small metropolitan area, is slated to receive a temple, and now the Church has revealed said temple’s location, right on some farmland off of Interstate 90.

Some source, reportedly on the record, have stated that the Washington DC Temple open house will occur in fall 2020, over two and a half years after the temple closed for major renovation work.

After a number of temples were closed because of weather damage, then quietly rebuilt from the studs up, we wondered how long it would take to finish such work. We’ve already seen the rededications of temples in Oklahoma, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Now, the last of them, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, will finally be open to the public before a dedication ceremony.

For Some Small Temples, a Renovation Means a Complete Rebuild

This one’s for the men out there. Who has purchased the new Cotton Stretch garment style? Do they breathe at the expense of being too tight? Do the new cuts sufficiently hide your thunder? Geoff and Jared have both tried them out and have competing visions. Also, should garments be worn 24/7? Jana Riess wonders.

The Tabernacle Choir will be joined by singer Kelli O’Hara and narrator Richard Thomas at its annual Christmas concert. Will mail robots be safe?!

Now onto Church schools. BYU once considered opening satellite campuses throughout the west. How would this have changed things? Should Church schools even still be around?

It’s Time to Close LDS Church-Owned Schools

But what about so-called “Church-aligned” schools, ones not owned or operated by the Church, but espousing its values in teaching. These schools have become popular in Utah for K-12 education, but are they providing the best education possible?

Transcript

Geoff:
[0:00] And once again we join you everybody this week in Mormons is here I missed you I know you missed me,
but everything about it is you don’t want to roll it too much Jeff that’s why I brought Jared Gillins with me this week to help you know balance the load as it were how are you sir.

Jared:
[0:19] I’m well how are you.

Geoff:
[0:20] I’m not too shabby actually what do we have to complain about the Nats won the World Series.

Jared:
[0:24] I know that’s pretty exciting in case our listeners don’t know we both live in the greater Washington DC area so the Nationals is local team so whether you are Washing DC,
8 Washington.

Geoff:
[0:39] A Washingtonian deibel.

Jared:
[0:41] Washington Washington in for Washington State so I don’t know.

Geoff:
[0:44] I know that’s hard for you but I don’t have that problem so.

Jared:
[0:46] Anyway weather that or whether you’re from Montreal and you’re still holding on to your old team you have something to celebrate.

Geoff:
[0:52] Or whether you’re from Baltimore and you just are tired of the Orioles losing 100 + game 2 season.

Jared:
[0:57] O i r.

Geoff:
[1:00] Throwing Shade I think Camden Yard is a lovely park in the Orioles are a great and story franchise.

Jared:
[1:05] When I was a kid, Lufkin Junior was my very favorite player.

Geoff:
[1:09] Dammit.
So that that that has been exciting I was very much suffering from lack of sleep during the World Series though I was a zombie for so many days so many days,
feels good man the big chick I got out of it,
I let my four-year-old son step and why I didn’t watch the whole thing obviously but you know kids go to bed like 8 ish most of the time and I let him stay up for a while,
and he’s just sitting there playing catch with me having a great time asking all about the game when you get tired he would decide that,
he needed to do exercise for more energy and so he’d like jump around and then switches legs around,
and then say now I will do yoga and he’d strike some kind of downward dog pose,
then you get up and say okay I’m ready again I love kids cuz they’re just like going like crazy and then the second he sits on the couch around 9:30,
I could just John’s big and just his dad I’m tired I want to go to bed,
so that was fun though that made the World Series even more exciting for me what a great time all around.

Jared:
[2:16] Epic keep this Mormon adjacent I would just like to point out that a certain LDS ball player was not included on the Nationals winning team.

Geoff:
[2:24] Are you are you at are you throwing shade of Harper do you think this all happened once we dumped Harper from the team are you one of those.

Jared:
[2:30] Well it’s so here’s the things I’m from Seattle and the Mariners are my team in back in 1995 we had one of the best seasons ever in you know it’s 24 years later and we’re still talking about it.

Geoff:
[2:41] Pulling tooth that wasn’t mm like the best.

Jared:
[2:43] 2000 was also very good year but 95 is the year would we eliminated at the Yankees from the playoffs and everybody was,
we’re in the playoffs first of all and we also beat the Yankees anyway but that was the year after we had gotten rid of all of like the big star players
they all either retired or been traded away and is so that they said there’s this kind of myths and don’t know if it’s true or not but that in baseball like if you get rid of the prima donnas you’re going to have a good season,
we got rid of Bryce Harper and we had a great season.

Geoff:
[3:15] Jayson Werth.

Jared:
[3:20] Right so there you go.

Geoff:
[3:22] I think there’s something to be said for that when there’s a lot of you going a lot of payroll,
I see where you’re going with it considering both teams had both teams have some Stars I mean you know you’ve got Scherzer and Strasburg and,
Juan Soto the name of the Astros and got Altuve and and a lot of the famous pictures and stuff but I get what you mean it seems like more or less it’s just a scrappy Scrappy teams that,
I just got done,
it makes it more fun to watch to I should know about this because I’m an angels fan by at the most you know if it’s ever like an ass Angels World Series sorry not so I’m going for my Halos not one but,
if Mike Trout but beyond that they have an aging Albert Pujols and I don’t know what else so it has it has it has been a stone around the team’s neck shall we say cuz we’re still paying for that Pujols contract for,
more years.

Jared:
[4:10] Well heck you’re paid a lot for that trout contract what was it was it did he set some kind of record.

Geoff:
[4:15] Yeah but route is worth it Albert Pujols on the other hand is going to be like 42 years old when repainting 40 million dollars to do nothing so great job already Moreno you understand the game and out in case of you thought this is a sports podcast.

Jared:
[4:29] Welcome to Aaron Sorkin Sports night.

Geoff:
[4:33] Just so you know I’ve exhausted my knowledge of Sports at baseball if we Veer into football I will I will have nothing to say.

Jared:
[4:41] Normal I too much to my father’s Chagrin I mean he’s not alive Brown to be ashamed of my lack of football knowledge but I’m sure wherever he is he’s still ashamed of me.

Geoff:
[4:51] Yeah well you know what can you do on a sports show everybody it is a religious show about all sorts of things along those lines very quickly before we get into,
Latter Day Saints news I just want to check in with Jared and just see how your life is man anything new to put podcast just bring it to us up to speed conference recap and I was a bit different when you get to chat as much so.

Jared:
[5:18] You know just Life Is Life what it what is going on
did that we have recorded that expensive last episode that I recorded with you we did record one more episode of the podcast it was sort of more just the gillum’s brothers we invited our brother Scott back on we we kicked out about the the latest trailer,
and also that they announced it release date the actual release date for the.

Geoff:
[5:40] Riker is there in the.

Jared:
[5:42] Yes yes we were very excited with lots of familiar faces lots of good things but yeah we should have some more episodes coming out soon as we’ve got a few people lined up to have on the show we just need to,
get some recording done.

Geoff:
[6:00] Weirdly I was thinking about Star Trek V for some reason last week.

Jared:
[6:04] Why.

Geoff:
[6:05] I don’t I don’t know why cuz it probably because I was thinking like Star Trek fiber that is the worst show that is the worst movie of all the Star Trek movie actually I don’t know Nemesis is pretty bad what would you rank out of all the Star Trek films as the worst one Star Trek expert Jared.

Jared:
[6:20] Yeah I probably would argue that 5 is worse than Nemesis but I also I think since direction is worse than emesis.

Geoff:
[6:32] Insurrection instructions one that’s based practically like TV level of film quality right does not we’ll just look like an extended episode of this.

Jared:
[6:40] Yeah and I know some people who like.

Geoff:
[6:42] You’re not the one with the invisible boat or something like that it’s not the one we’re like data find some invisible ship or something like that in that that one.

Jared:
[6:50] Not know he was in and then he was In Like A Duck Blind type thing where he was observing a.

Geoff:
[6:54] Card is dating some alien.

Jared:
[6:57] Yeah and she can make slow down time or something like.

Geoff:
[7:01] That’s something I don’t know.

Jared:
[7:03] It’s terrible.

Geoff:
[7:05] So inserections worse than Nemesis is Insurrection worse than Star Trek V though no.

Jared:
[7:09] It’s hard to say they’re both pretty bad.

Geoff:
[7:13] The sad thing is that as the shots sold directorial effort.

Jared:
[7:18] I know and if you listen I mean if course I mean William Shatner,
it known not only for his Hamish acting which I love but also known for his enormous ego he insists that he was going to have strong by the studio and that if he had had free rein that it would have been a much better movie I choose to just,
believe him.

Geoff:
[7:36] I mean there is some truth to that because they couldn’t have the they couldn’t get ilm to do any of the effects work which they done in the past because they were doing everything for Indiana Jones.

Jared:
[7:45] Write the text word does not save a plot as we learn from the Star Wars prequel so.

Geoff:
[7:50] There we go come on man.

Jared:
[7:54] I don’t mind I don’t mind I don’t mind.

Geoff:
[7:56] The Star Wars prequels were the Star Wars prequels were prescient if anything here we are with the Trade Federation.

Jared:
[8:05] Life’s good I I feel so sad I just turned 40 last week.

Geoff:
[8:10] Congratulations how does it feel.

Jared:
[8:12] I feel good and I I kind of did a little self evaluation the day after my birthday I went out for a run to hell good
hello can I got to look to where I was at professionally and mentally spiritually emotionally all in all the areas to that you should be evaluating yourself in your life and I thought you know I’m in a good place I feel good
what is good good things ahead I’m feeling positive right now,
one of these days my knees will go out and I’ll say nevermind I’m an old man I hate life.

Geoff:
[8:42] The darn kids.

Jared:
[8:43] All that stuff.

Geoff:
[8:44] Are those kids good man did you do anything for a Halloween.

Jared:
[8:49] I know we kind of just stayed in laidlow we went to our Ward Halloween party well this is a good Segway let’s talk about this.

Geoff:
[8:58] I’m good at that Jared I was sitting Elvis table is called a an assist.

Jared:
[9:01] I didn’t even realize it that was clever so I’m kind of sorry I drew attention to it cuz it could have been such a smooth transition.

Geoff:
[9:07] You ruined my tire Segway but continue.

Jared:
[9:09] So I talked about Halloween so that was what was Halloween was what last Thursday prior to that there was a hotbed that published in the Salt Lake Tribune,
known for its wonderfully fair and balanced op-eds about the church and.

Geoff:
[9:27] The Fox News of LDS cover.

Jared:
[9:32] I suppose I can’t see the dates that this actually ran it was before Halloween and the headliners,
letter Trunk or Treat has ruined Halloween
and eyes are very short I bet it basically this guy is saying hey I live in the greater
somewhere in Utah and we’re always ready to receive trick-or-treaters that every year there are fewer and fewer of them it’s because Church culture and Trunk or Treats has destroyed neighborliness and has made it so that,
we we only go around two trunks in a church parking lot still being our neighbors.

[10:12] And I guess I could see his point if that is really the case where you live I don’t know about you just be over here what it would we did a word Halloween party it was a trunk or treat,
and a chili cook-off is it so often is it’ll be tell you we had that on,
October 19th or was it the 2626 it was the week before Halloween so every kid in my word got candy at the word Trunk or Treat,
and they got it again when they went around their neighborhood and so I don’t know if cooker treats,
to me I believe that this op-ed is setting up with it what we would call a false dichotomy that either you go trick-or-treating or you go trick or treating,
and I don’t think that’s accurate what I what do you what do you find what it was in your ward.

Geoff:
[11:06] I concur in general so we had ours pretty early we had the Trunk or Treat I try Ward Trunk or Treat on the 19th that was a rousing success I can’t speak to what all the other families do in our area necessarily we still take the kids out in our neighborhood,
on Halloween this year is a bit different though I think my wife is out of town so I was just kind of,
describe one around trying to take the boys out and then it’s just been so you don’t like the immediate Street to take him to do some stuff it seems like I felt less.

[11:37] Oven need to go out on Halloween itself to take them trick or treating that might have been more circumstantial,
but I saw I do see I see where the optic could be going and that I don’t think it’s outlandish to see Latter Day Saints being insular and enjoying a fun evening in the parking lot with our own,
as opposed to,
being out within the community which is funny cuz a new tire Community is very much your ward and most most areas anyway maybe that’s also part of the issue in Utah,
that,
unlike where we live where we have plenty of non Latter Day Saint Neighbors in a whole different Community when you’re in Utah where you’re going to walk around pretty much are the people you see the Trunk or Treat anyways so I don’t know what’s so I get like why would you go again so,
I don’t know why I got episodes a little bit with the the writer I kind of get it I don’t think it’s Universal but I could see how this could happen and happen easily.

Jared:
[12:36] Whatever I call grumpy Gus on this one.

Geoff:
[12:44] Why me my Sophia grumpy,
but that’s only fair.

Jared:
[12:50] But it isn’t it isn’t interested in the consider and like you said if you do live in an area where this does happen I do agree with him like I don’t think we should sacrifice community,
for you know I mean it again like you said somebody says your word is your community but I think of any places your community is your community in your world could be part of that but
it’s worth going around every at least once a year with your kids to go say hi to the neighbors as they has your kids threaten them with tricks if they don’t receive something.

Geoff:
[13:18] I mean where I live where I live it’s a lot of fun then everyone a lot of people to sit on their porches with their candy that’s kind of the tradition
did not hurt that it was like freakishly 79° in humid for some reason on Halloween on the White House that happened but.

Jared:
[13:32] Yeah then we ended up getting that tornado warning though.

Geoff:
[13:35] And I do think that suppress turnout in general in my neighborhood compared to the trunk or treat everyone was worried about the thunderstorms and tornadoes coming through so I noticed a lot,
fewer houses were even passing out candy on Halloween that we skipped over many many homes in succession without saying you don’t getting anything so,
all depends all right I as a goofy numbers metrics person after all I work in analytics for a living I.

[14:04] Love this little news that came out from a letter from the presiding bishopric and if you’re familiar with the presiding bishopric it is responsible for the upkeep of our buildings and almost anything temporarily,
related you know when the church buildings welfare programs even a lot of things overseen by the presiding bishopric this letter however talks about reporting and many of you listening of likely served callings that have involved
producing or taking a report of some kind and typically I would assume on a quarterly basis and I had my first introduction to this,
when I was another storm president I don’t know why it when I was a clerk at BYU I have no memory of doing the reporting but I don’t know I don’t know but when I was in this rule,
I never heard of this fabled reporting months at the time which literally just means March June September December okay and what that literally means is you’re not reporting on your numbers in your attendance sell your home teaching whatever it might be,
you’re not either reporting a cumulative amount or an average of those months you’re just reporting of what happens in the reporting month is called a quarterly report.

[15:13] But it’s,
what’s the report of like that month of the quarter that’s all it is I’ve never agree with the logic behind it I don’t know where it started where it came from I would love to know history of that because it seems so,
business backwards in my mind I recognize that there’s a level of effort involved in getting those kinds of numbers if it was monthly for example especially in the olden days that that requires a lot more so maybe that’s where it came from I don’t know.

Jared:
[15:38] I also wonder if I mean it’s probably partially just a logistics issue not just,
he’ll be in the olden days and it being the harder to tabulate without a computer but also I’m assuming that these things had to be mailed in
and so you had to have somebody in Salt Lake receiving that mail and processing that mail and have a whole like a department probably dedicated to crunching those numbers.

Geoff:
[16:00] Okay well let’s let’s move up there from like olden days and talk about quote on quote olden days like the 90s I mean there was no reason we still to do this in the 90s we win the 2000.

Jared:
[16:09] Hey man I remember dial up.

Geoff:
[16:12] Dial up was there and then back then the soccer was MLS you know there was the one clerk computer and everyone had to find their time in.

Jared:
[16:19] Space Program.

Geoff:
[16:20] I mean we transitioned LCR while I was no record present remember the earlier days and I still have to update home teaching assignment to know I had to like go over to the church some night,
well I do declare that we would be there and log into the computer and do all that stuff in LCR has been a huge blessing for everybody just being able to do all that,
wherever you have an internet connection is enormous and thankfully because of that even if it’s taking us some time to get there the church is going to start taking sacrament meeting attendance,
weekly and it will be recorded weekly there will still be a monthly report of sorts but aracari quarterly report but it will be an average,
of the sacrament meeting attendance across that entire. Of time which I think is it okay to do it that’s fine,
I’m just very happy about this I feel like it’s one step away from the court from the reporting month you know we’re still doing a little bit and that’s fine but I’m hoping other
areas of reporting will adopt this model because hopefully if people like clerks and secretaries say on top of this and do it it shouldn’t be a huge list if all you’re doing is
if you have your piece of paper and you’re taking your role and then you just go hop on LCR and just log your stuff and be done with it I don’t think that’s too much to ask,
and,
we can get good metrics out of this I mean before Winston quarterly or just getting 4 months out of the year for a tennis I would love to see a full outlay of 52 weeks of the year as a bishop in like what my sacrum meeting attendance was,
but all of that see how it fluctuated.

Jared:
[17:49] Yeah and I and I think you mentioned this in your it you know you write a little article by the sun on the twin block and you know people go ahead and click through so that I can get a few more pages use on this but,
the one of the things you pointed out is that like in December,
I’m depending on where you were like if your Utah or did December and everybody’s coming home to visit December the great reporting month but if you’re like here in in the DC area December the terrible reporting.

Geoff:
[18:16] I hate it so.

Jared:
[18:17] What is the fourth quarter so you have to report.

Geoff:
[18:20] I love you have the stick present to be like I’d be meeting with a counselor in other states presidency why are numbers down like it’s December like what you want what do you want from me.

Jared:
[18:28] What event conversely you know we live in the DC area where a lot of people come for tourism purposes so in the summer we have really no inflated numbers,
we were always but loving June June’s are reporting that’s right now because we say oh man we’re getting all these great numbers in June we’re going to end up that’s going to improve our budget.

Geoff:
[18:49] And that’s the weirdest thing it’s acronym dictates what your budget is for the ward which is funny but there is.

Jared:
[18:52] Right right I’m curious if you ask the question what about second our attendance does anybody actually take that and have you not noticed that about like does that not happen in your ward.

Geoff:
[19:06] In my life I have normally seen attendance taken so we still at the 3-hour Block,
I feel like Sunday School attendance was not log very well but Elders Quorum like we keep track of me both when I was the funeral president and not like I want to make a point to tell me that but I feel like I haven’t seen it done especially since the shift over to 2 hour,
block IO I’ve never seen a roll going around or anybody who’s clearly a secretary of an organization tickets are ketchup.

Jared:
[19:35] No it’s okay I asked our elders Quorum president about that,
and he said that on a reporting month is when he’ll pay attention to that and it in any’s is yeah we don’t pass it around he’ll just tell every member of the presidency just to keep an eye out and Bill just kind of,
either everything in email or knit a presidency meeting Cobble together like oh yeah these people were here and let us go and check the boxes and kind of take attendance for us but it’s,
grade portal to me like you know it’s not like it was just sort of like oh we oh yeah I saw that person’s face they were here today,
check off the box but apparently it was good enough for them so you know whatever.

Geoff:
[20:14] And I believe it’s some weird thing for for the second our attendance that if you saw somebody like in Sacramento and still count them as attending Elders Quorum even if they’re not they’re not there.

Jared:
[20:27] I don’t know man that sounds that sounds like like a local folk practice or something.

Geoff:
[20:32] I don’t know but with a thing you do have to do those keep track of where people are cuz for those who are in primary or other calling so you aren’t actually sending Corran you’re still supposed to count.

Jared:
[20:40] Right on that’s a good point.

Geoff:
[20:42] Are there I believe when I was there or secretary or whoever was doing it we we didn’t pass around roll but we just got a chance to get to know the people in your group anyway,
if you don’t know who a faces find out and you know take rolling and figure it out so I don’t love like numbers for numbers sake I don’t like to get lost in that kind of stuff but I love seeing new metrics I mean if you can get cool data out of this,
that actually better reflects what’s happening in our Ward I think that’s cool. Let’s get it people.

Jared:
[21:11] I mean I’m not anti metric I think that you know there’s always the danger of getting too caught up in the numbers but I think number to do serve a purpose like I don’t see s ever completely abandoning the,
active recording in the church so bad but if we can improve the way we report and record I’m all for it in this sounds like an improvement to me.
I think we should I think we should do a little series here we’ve got a few articles that are all Temple related and I think we shouldn’t we should knock them out one two three and I’ll go first,
so they I can remember which conference has been a little while now that they are
announce day Moses Lake Temple in Washington state where I am from I’m not from Moses Lake I’m from Washington State recently announced the site for the Moses Lake Temple and I don’t think we should go into the details of exactly where in Moses lake that is because I.

Geoff:
[22:04] It’s on Farm Lane.

Jared:
[22:04] Maybe two of our listeners would actually know Moses Lake geography.

Geoff:
[22:09] It’s right off I-90 I did look it up though it looks like it’s going to be on what’s now Farmland right next to the freeway so it’ll have visibility.

Jared:
[22:17] But you know Moses like lovely area lovely Lake lovely place for Saints not really is it’s a.

Geoff:
[22:23] Lovely lovely Moses it’s got.

Jared:
[22:25] Not Moses lake is an area that I didn’t really spend much of any time there as a used to ended it growing up and Washington bet people would go out there for the lake you know to go in a warm weekend,
you know it was generally,
why in the Cascades in Washington state form what we call a rain shadow so the western part of the state where I grew up was always,
generally pretty cloudy and rainy but once you got
Pastor suicide mountains you got a lot more Sunshine so people would often to head out to Moses Lake or Lake Chelan that area and in central Washington to have a warm sunny weekend and enjoy water skiing and what have you said.

Geoff:
[23:06] Lake Chelan mymtc companion was from Manson Washington.

Jared:
[23:13] The terrible name for City.

Geoff:
[23:14] Yes it is and it’s and I will always know this because when I first met at me. You’re doing the the greetings and such,
I just like where you from said Manson Washington ever heard of Lake Chelan and that delivery that answer was it was like a canned response that he had ready to go whenever anybody asked him where he was from so it’s it’s been stuck in my head for so many years.

Jared:
[23:35] Well Washington and I would dare say Oregon and maybe even Idaho that would be a good follow-up question cuz of course you wouldn’t have heard of,
Manson but you would have heard of election land because it’s a it’s a destination so.

Geoff:
[23:47] I guess I don’t.

Jared:
[23:48] Anyway but we’re happy for the people of Moses Lake as you pointed out in your little twin article it’s it’s not a big town at all but it is pretty,
overly represented it in the LDS community
I’m so it’s really interesting at the end of Moses Lake Wenatchee to Tri-Cities. Whole Central Washington Corridor has a lot of members of the church so it’s a great blessing that we’re going to have a temple there soon is that we now know where it’s going to be so
hooray for Moses Lake.

Geoff:
[24:18] Yeah I believe it’ll be the fourth temple in the state.

Jared:
[24:21] Yeah we’ve got Seattle Tri-Cities and Spokane already.

Geoff:
[24:25] The questions of Washington people have long thought that Washington might get another one somewhere on puget sound like another template Tacoma something like that time will tell.

Jared:
[24:36] I feel for it.

Geoff:
[24:38] That’s a controversial stance we’re not going to understand here can’t do it all right.

Jared:
[24:43] Advocating for temples is a country that is never mind.

Geoff:
[24:47] I’m sassy I’m sassing you I’m sassing you
all right so that the what I’m going to get into now is is purely speculation okay that I recognize that I am rumor-mongering basically but this is a recording,
two some individuals reportedly that on Facebook and Jared this is relevant to us because of where we live our beloved DC Temple has been closed since I believe March of 2018,
sometime now are they said it would be closed for approximately two years so naturally many of us are wondering,
when’s it going to come back online I’ve heard a lot of things going back and forth some people said I was going to be done early and then actually do it in like February or March but now according to this report,
the Baltimore coordinating Council public affairs had a meeting,
and brother Marcus Faust the North America Northeast communications director went on the record,
to say that the Washington DC Temple open house will be in the fall of 2020 so whole year from now,
reportedly the brother and don’t want to run up against winter weather which is smart and then possibly inauguration ceremony is in January.

[25:57] Which would actually put if they even if they don’t care about the inauguration I would actually put the temple almost close to three years of renovation if that were the case so even now saying fall 2020 seems kind of protracted to me based on I think what we assume going into this right
but if that is true,
we don’t know what’s that date or anything fall could mean anytime in October maybe early November which is a very nice time of year I mean the weather is great and you know the humidity is die down by then so I’m curious to see if this comes true,
if it does I’ll be very excited I think it’s been fun to watch everyone kind of consecrate themselves and go up to Philadelphia,
a lot and sacrifice whole days and all that kind of stuff to do that but it’ll be very nice.

Jared:
[26:38] Message saying we’ve only allowed ourselves but we’ve only had it up to Philadelphia once.

Geoff:
[26:48] Me too buddy me too.

Jared:
[26:49] But what’s interesting effects beyond that though and I think it’s not just my wife and I but I’ve talked to other people to do this two-bit suddenly Temple attendance becomes a much more prominent feature of vacation and travel so like,
we were out visiting my sister,
in Indianapolis several months ago and we said hey can we go to the temple while we’re there and we you know we normally wouldn’t because it’s just like they were just visiting family but we made time go to the temple and when we go visit family in Idaho Falls or Utah or,
we were visiting some friends in Denver several months ago we went to the temple and you know so it’s interesting that our priority at we haven’t necessarily made time to,
new trips to go to Philadelphia but the existing trips that we do have planned we use them to go to the temple and in part and I think that’s you know that’s kind of new and it’s it’s it’s been a cool way,
to see my life adapt when we don’t have a temple close by.

Geoff:
[27:48] Yeah I mean I think we’ve said things like this ad nauseam but it always seems that when there’s a scarcity for the temple we are much more inclined to go out of our way
divide 1 or to attend if possible I’m at I’ve seen the same thing and what’s their convenient.

Jared:
[28:05] Sonic as curious,
you know cuz you know like you said this is purely we were we at we don’t haven’t seen anything official in this but I was like also near the end of 20/20 that’s interesting and I thought well when is that Richmond going to be done cuz that you know of Richmond.

Geoff:
[28:21] Going to be a while.

Jared:
[28:22] Yeah I looked it up Anna on the church’s website it says a ground baked of groundbreaking is expected to take place in the second or third quarter of 2020 so when DC’s getting finished up is when they’ll finally break ground on Richmond so.

Geoff:
[28:35] Yeah that it takes about three years typically from groundbreaking to dedication
foremost Temple so unfortunately the inspiration was not there to announce the Richmond temple four years ago or something and get it knocked out,
it’ll be sure I get upside the south of the Beltway I’m going down the interstate 95 going that direction because it is.

Jared:
[29:00] 45 minutes away.

Geoff:
[29:02] That’s why I don’t think it’d be quite 45 obviously we’ll make it down there at some point I’m basically curious like which temple on a Saturday.

Jared:
[29:08] I was giving you a hard time and saying you were 45 minutes away.

Geoff:
[29:11] Oh you mean from you not always that’s not that’s not always an accurate is true,
but the DC Temple from where we are in typical traffic can you know can be approximately an hour to get up there,
like normal conditions so I’m curious once Richmond is done which one will actually be easier for us to ask if we were still going to be in DC’s Temple District I know that but,
they’re not that much for a way dear Jared I’m not like past Quantico or anything,
but will be an interesting spot killer for I think the only room of complaint if you can have it for the Saints of Hampton Roads area no. Weather Virginia Beach Norfolk and all that,
it’s a temple much closer for them but the temples going to be built on the Northwestern Suburban side of Richmond,
which is as far away from that metropolitan area related to Richmond as it could be like those in Southeastern Richmond it would bridge the gap a bit more for them but they will have to cross all of Richmond Metro area to get to it still a great blessing,
you know there’s they’re all you have to drive for an extra 30 minutes.

Jared:
[30:17] And I love the artist rendering I love looking at that that picture it says it looks it looks very much like they drew on do some inspiration from Thomas Jefferson’s forays into architecture that’s got like The Colonnade Portico type looking.

Geoff:
[30:31] I think I said as much to you either really trying to represent a lot of in a virginia-class when you’ve got up the Road Charlottesville and University of Virginia is there and all that and Jefferson designed Virginia State Capitol building to me now it makes sense why not.

Jared:
[30:46] So lovely wonderful.

Geoff:
[30:48] So I’m excited I still
just one more quick thing on DC have you ever heard anything concrete about what they’re doing in there we know it’s supposed to be just hard core structural fixes and new HVAC and wiring all that stuff but if you heard anything beyond that like are they altering floor plans or anything along those lines that we know.

Jared:
[31:08] I haven’t heard anything about that the only thing that I have kind of thought I mean this is just me wishful thinking is that I kind of hope that they update the decor a little bit if they did that actually a few years ago that I don’t know if you remember this.

Geoff:
[31:22] 2 Chainz all the seats a few years ago.

Jared:
[31:23] Yeah I do have you been up to the assembly hall up on the top floor.

Geoff:
[31:27] I have been up there a couple times 2.

Jared:
[31:29] Okay so do you remember when they changed it from that kind of I had to use this word to talk about a temple but it was kind of garish yellow on the seat coverings and that in the Assembly Hall,
tone it down into more of like a ivory.

Geoff:
[31:42] Yeah yeah I remember that.

Jared:
[31:44] And I guess I kind of hope that same effect ripples a little bit through the temple of cuz it mean it was built in the 70s and it reflects that era,
in some ways it’s entirely a bad thing but I just kind of hope that we get a little bit more mellowing of some of those colors in a little more.

Geoff:
[31:59] What you mean or even all the the sort of,
so want Walnut ish wood paneling and you know you walk in you walk across the bridge by the bridge.

Jared:
[32:09] I like that bridge.

Geoff:
[32:10] I don’t School you walk across the bridge and then you you see this beautiful mural,
what are the corridors the kind of break off from there there’s a lot of like wood paneling and I was headed wood paneling feels like 70s wood paneling it’s not like you’re seeing beautiful mahogany or anything like that so,
let me finish is like that. I see what you mean I mean I could make it up to you in a few things here or there.

Jared:
[32:32] My assumption that is like you said that the majority of that is the actual another there,
reinforcing and make sure structurally it’s good
I know that after the the earthquake in 2012 that they had to do some work on the spires so I wonder if that’s part of what they’re checking just to make sure there’s no real foundational issues as an aftermath of that earthquake.

Geoff:
[32:54] I just wonder if they’re going to do anything with the cafeteria I mean they haven’t used the cafeteria as a full-scale cafeteria for years but most of the most of the serving area.

Jared:
[33:02] Oh no I mean it’s just been like a couple of vending machines for a while now.

Geoff:
[33:05] Yeah but the serving areas are still there and this is obviously a good opportunity to tear that all out and Anaconda might the space I just don’t know what they would do their men they are.

Jared:
[33:13] I was going to say what would you do with it.

Geoff:
[33:15] I don’t mean you have a baptistry that’s fine.

Jared:
[33:17] You can expand the baptistry whenever you could do a Second Baptist she is that is that allowed in it.

Geoff:
[33:21] I don’t know for temples allowed to have two baptismal fonts I’m going to say no but I’d have no reason to back that up other than just like.

Jared:
[33:28] I haven’t seen anything in the revelations about that.

Geoff:
[33:31] But have you seen anything about not that score against it.

Jared:
[33:35] I don’t know.

Geoff:
[33:38] Set of naked put more ceiling rooms at like the LA Temple.

Jared:
[33:42] Can you put sealing rooms in the basement with I don’t know.

Geoff:
[33:44] I don’t think they’re officially rules like that if you’ve been to the Los Angeles Temple it has a smattering of ceiling rooms just all over the building so there there’s a main floor that has a lot of them have ever been to the only Temple.

Jared:
[33:54] Guess my number or my parents still there but my younger brother the shark was still there.

Geoff:
[33:59] Okay so so there’s like the main floor has a lot of ceiling room but there are a couple of ceiling rooms off of the celestial room I don’t know if those will never get used to the nurse said there’s random was there there is actually a season room off of the baptistery,
the door to it is like next to the van yeah so there is random soothing rooms kind of tucked into various corners,
throughout the temple just a different spot so I don’t think there’s anything doctrinally that suggests assuming room cannot be subterranean.

Jared:
[34:27] So I do I do believe that my parents were sealed in one of those rooms that is off of the celestial room but then be I remember walking past them and they were kind of just like cordoned-off you know with one of those velvet.

Geoff:
[34:41] They are the other got the little rope thing right there you.

Jared:
[34:42] Call ended in a stanchion whatever and so yeah it kind of looks like it almost looks like it’s a display room more than anything I don’t know.

Geoff:
[34:50] It’s it’s interesting so there aren’t that many temples with ceiling rooms off of the celestial room at least not ones that are,
that contemporary I mean most of them with the ones that have you seen out Salt Lake Manti maybe soon Giordano st. George’s Fair some of the older Pioneer was it was very common,
but La was built in the 50s and they still had it and I imagine some of the other temples creeping up on that are on might have some I’ve never done a session in Idaho falls for example I don’t know if they have any ceiling rooms off of the celestial room there.

Jared:
[35:18] I don’t think so wait hundred anything so I was sealed in Idaho Falls.

Geoff:
[35:21] Well there we go.

Jared:
[35:23] And we were sealed in the largest sealing room and it was not it was definitely not adjacent to the Celeste room I’d I don’t think that that’s the case for Idaho Falls I don’t I can’t think of any,
ceiling ribs that are attached to the sternum like that.

Geoff:
[35:39] No I will swim listeners you know the deal, done this Facebook post for this episode of send an email contact this week in Mormons. Calm and they’ll let us know cuz I’m just throwing it out there I assume it’s just Manti Salt Lake and LA,
I mean Steven DC.

Jared:
[35:55] And I don’t think I have been in Mesa which is one of one of those are older ones and I don’t think Mesa has that situation either he would be interesting to know about cards than hey Canadian Saints.

Geoff:
[36:04] Cardston I’ve done a session and Cardston I actually it’s funny you bring this up we were traveling around,
we decided to Carson’s such a cool Temple if you haven’t been there too but if you ever randomly in Northern Montana or want to venture into Southern Alberta it’s well worth the pit stop at such a cool building and,
we did session and then they asked us if we could help out is like Witnesses for some ceilings immediately thereafter,
and I seem to remember we did not stray far from the celestial room to do the ceiling but I can’t remember if we just like straight up entered a room from the celestial room,
I don’t recall what I do recall though is that Carson does Progressive rooms you can with the video,
but we were in a session that had to cut somebody in a wheelchair or something along those lines and so then they don’t have you move so they threw us in the Restoril room,
like the Prevail room,
and that’s where that normally doesn’t have screens except for cases like this and all of a sudden in this beautiful like wooden banister that’s in front of where you progressed later on,
Rises up like a 60-inch television flat.

Jared:
[37:15] That’s cool.

Geoff:
[37:16] The middle of it has been able to stop there for the whole session.

Jared:
[37:20] Lowe’s in Clarkston.

Geoff:
[37:21] Carson is a really really cool top I think the only bummer I had is it because of doing that we didn’t get to go through all of the room so
the words we kind of snuck around and try to pick another rooms and weary get caught and it’s a very weird sensation when you think you feel like you’re sneaking around a temple for fear of being like,
reprimanded for something I don’t know it’s here in a couple.

Jared:
[37:40] Write the temple Warden will catch you right.

Geoff:
[37:43] Oh no here we go what was Arthur Temple story.

Jared:
[37:48] The third one is about to the Baton Rouge Baton Rouge.

Geoff:
[37:54] Red Stick.

Jared:
[37:55] Yes the red stick temple in Louisiana has reopened to the Lord at least for an open house it was one of those many temples and one of the earlier many temples I believe,
and that and it isn’t it it’s tougher and some,
turbo weather damage so they Church going to head to build it back up from its bones and it was interesting to look at the the actual announcement on The Newsroom I would the thing that caught my attention,
I mean beyond the fact that were reopening the Temple of the only temple in Louisiana for the Saints there and also am assuming it just sat serve some sayings in Eastern Texas and that the area.

Geoff:
[38:37] And Mississippi.

Jared:
[38:38] And Mississippi one thing that I thought was interesting it says I got me find it,
the new design of the wooden for steel-framed building features an exterior of beige colored Limestone and new
art glass windows as like art glass windows and he uses that same term again later on down the article,
and is that just is that like the LDS term for stained glass windows do we do do we not say stained glass window because that sounds too,
Cathedral esque I don’t know.

Geoff:
[39:13] Well I’m doing a quick I’m doing a quick Google search of art glass windows and there are many many results I am just not seeing if like you said if that’s actually different or if we’re just using a different word for it.

Jared:
[39:24] Play the other part of the event The Descendants the next paragraph down it says the art class was created with shell and magnolia flower with motifs,
which sounds lovely but I keep thinking why are we going to art class instead of stained glass I’ve always heard stained glass window even if it’s.

Geoff:
[39:40] That’s the suggested it’s just too Catholic of us you know you can’t call it that come on.

Jared:
[39:44] That’s what I was wondering anyway.

Geoff:
[39:48] Speak it up back to the DC Temple real quick people might not realize those are there I love the little sliver stained glass windows that are in the store.

Jared:
[39:57] They’re beautiful and that’s one thing that’s very like the design is very much out of the seventies that I do not want them to change I think it’s fantastic I think it’s a wonderful beautifully abstract piece of work.

Geoff:
[40:09] It really is cuz it if you look at the building from the outside you can’t even tell those are there but they are if you get there if you got too close you kind of realize what’s happening but,
is there hidden pretty well and I think there’s even Parts where the the stone cladding is almost translucent to where they deliberately sent it out.

Jared:
[40:24] When you can definitely tell at night because they they they really put some powerful lights inside that that window well on the interior so when you at night time if you’re up close you can see them those cool colors and patterns trying out and a hat that’s a great effect I love it.

Geoff:
[40:38] All right I’m going to keep with temple themes and it’s a minute to talk about garments real quick there’s no story here this week but I just want to give you my review of some garments so recently I need to replenish,
some of my supply of garments as as many men can probably attest you let them go for far too long and far too bad a state of disrepair and you don’t care.

Jared:
[41:02] Start a trend kind of Grey.

Geoff:
[41:04] They turned gray holes develop all sorts of things happened and eventually the wife convinces you to just order some new one which I could have a whole podcast on how garments are freakishly expensive compared to regular underwear and I don’t know what,
I don’t know what mechanisms are in place for Latter Day Saints who straight-up can’t afford how much garments actually cost cuz if you’re going to get like 10 days worth of garments going to cost you $100 or something but anyway,
so-so men’s stretch cotton came out recently that women have had this for a while this was this was all the rage when the ladies got it through the material the way it’s got the side panels that are,
ventilated basically very intriguing stuff Sosa to come out from a nice I decided I was going to pick up a couple different types,
see how I liked it and I don’t honestly know quite how I feel about it there are pros and cons as there are in all things big Pro the crew neck top,
it’s a huge win because The Tell-Tale sign you know how it is Jared you’ve been to Provo,
you see got you see guys you all you see guys wearing t-shirts,
I got a big white crew neck underneath it that you know where garments and that is a look if not uniquely Mormon particularly Mormon,
right I may think most individuals men who feel the need to wear an undershirt don’t go out of their way to wear an under t-shirt underneath their t-shirt.

[42:28] Four typical fashion so the new one they actually opened up the the caller a little bit,
and they say it is to essentially make the Garment as invisible as possible from the outside which I think is great works pretty well I had to kind of,
adjust a little bit just as kind of moved to move around a letter things settled in order not to get the collar the downside is if you were like a collared shirt,
with you know everything but the very top button buttoned then it gives you a weird effect where the shirt doesn’t quite go up to your actual neck,
but you can still see the garments just sort of peeking out the top and which case you want the old school scoop neck right so those are interesting but they fit pretty well,
should I continue Jared you want to hear about all my thoughts on this or do.

Jared:
[43:17] What are pitching so actually I haven’t ordered any of the stretch cotton tops I just I was just one of those situations where I needed,
Autumn’s going out tops for whatever reason things wear out different rates,
anyway so I do own several actually I think all of my bottoms now or the stretch cotton and I I approve I give two thumbs up from Jared’s.

Geoff:
[43:43] They feel.

Jared:
[43:44] Top drivers Bureau two thumbs up for stretch cotton I I like the feel I like I think they do I think those panels that you mentioned actually do work fairly well for breathability time and I think they’re quite comfortable so.

Geoff:
[43:57] And that’s what I’m curious about now I bought the same size that I buy another Electrolux or whatever else right I don’t know that these ones are officially more of a brief than a boxer’s at church called it but I do find a little snug I don’t know if you feel the same way but they feel.

Jared:
[44:12] They are a little snug but I kind of like it I like the change I welcome it as I as I mentioned I’m 40 now and I don’t know I guess as a four-year-old I approve of the snugger underwear.
That was that was that too much information.

Geoff:
[44:28] No no I mean if we can talk about you know we can get more descriptive if you want to but no I I I feel like I’ve I like the snugness in a way but as one who has been more of the boxer side of things for years,
it’s like in Wayne’s World When God says it first it’s constricting,
but then it becomes a part of you.
So there’s that I don’t know it’s so it’s so I’m intrigued about any other men who might have,
participation what they think it might I feel like the one thing that is really weird though so I mention the crew neck top is different they don’t have a scoop neck anymore but they have one that goes down to a v-neck to sort of satisfy that,
that need if you’re trying to have fashion for fashion purposes or whatever which works but for some reason the v-neck shirt in general which has the panels and all those things,
just fits way,
tighter than the crewneck one does even though it’s all the same and I don’t know why so actually find the v-neck going to be just like comfortable like it rides up a lot more often,
then the old one so I did so there we go I don’t know what I’m going to keep buying in the realm of garments you know I’m always looking for the best power play I love to match when I was a missionary but I think there was dry enough outside when it was hotter than bug me but Nestor is terrible.

Jared:
[45:48] Are the nylon rash I do not like I actually have one pair of nylon mesh, and that’s the one you know that like oh I know I need to do laundry cuz all I have left are the nylon mesh and I do not like wearing them.

Geoff:
[45:59] Well that’s where I might convert to I like to wear the nylon mesh men’s if I wear a t-shirt cuz I don’t fight in front of the old Drylok scoop next would sufficiently,
BP didn’t and II. I’ve already spoken my peace about the old crew neck so maybe I’ll switch over cuz mandeecee in the summer if you’ve got Nile the mesh on,
it’s just sticks to you.

Jared:
[46:20] And I’m sure as I do need to try out the the stretch cotton,
v-neck because I I I like the idea of it not have not enough wearing a regular t-shirt not having that visible but I also I have a few t-shirts that are that have a bit of a v-neck on them so I’m wondering if,
the v-neck of my t-shirt will be deeper than the v-neck of the Garment they are for making it useless like I just don’t know I just don’t know these are the hard questions people.

Geoff:
[46:49] The other thing you can bear in mind as I believe this is it not permitted to make your own garments it is right if you get the kit or follow the template.

Jared:
[46:55] I don’t I think that’s old man I don’t think they do the kid any.

Geoff:
[46:58] Is not allowed anymore because I have people in my family who make their own the straight up by Costco t-shirts and then just make their own garments.

Jared:
[47:05] No I don’t think I think that used to be a thing I don’t think that’s a thing anymore.

Geoff:
[47:09] Okay well those people are going to suffer.

Jared:
[47:12] That’s one thing I do want to say though in favor of again of the contras and I don’t know if they’re doing that with all garments now but have you noticed that the marks are silk-screened on now instead of embroidered.

Geoff:
[47:22] Yes they knows that change some years ago the one funny thing about it is they talk about how long that it was rated for washes and we rely.

Jared:
[47:29] Cuz if they wear off then it’s like no longer Karma.

Geoff:
[47:32] If it wears office no longer Garver than you got to buy them so I think the actual life cycle shorter than a typical embroidered or stitched.

Jared:
[47:40] What does spine probably do you know like you said we probably wait too long to to to replace our garments anyway so.

Geoff:
[47:47] What is the main point of all this noise I think they’re trying to make garments a little less conspicuous which is good mythical is great especially for men if you’re wearing like white dress shirts it can be very obvious you know depending on the material of your shirt and so I think that’s good.

Jared:
[48:02] What the symbols are there for you right there a reminder for you they’re not for everybody else to see.

Geoff:
[48:07] Especially your brilliant.

Jared:
[48:08] Speaking of speaking of the Garment being for you,
this isn’t really a new article but it was sort of a still irrelevant 1/2 are familiars,
because now we’re witches are our listeners may or may not be familiar that’s where I was going with the auspicious author,
Jana riess she,
read a has been kind of doing a series of articles on her blog kind of reviewing going over trying to analyze the changes in the,
Temple recommend questions and that she recently fairly recently had a piece where she was noted talking about the the changes that have come to the question regarding garments,
it it’s because I haven’t really delved into actually need to go get a new temporary commend interview pretty soon here but I haven’t really taken a hard look at the changes aside from reviewing president Nelson talk,
and that she points out that they removed the wording night and day right.

Geoff:
[49:16] Exactly so what does that mean.

Jared:
[49:17] And so in a well and she points out an article that the endowment doesn’t use that term the night and day language apparently was added in 1976.

Geoff:
[49:27] Now it is a quick caveat though what about you don’t receive your garment in the endowment though.

Jared:
[49:33] Well don’t you.

Geoff:
[49:34] No you receive I mean it depends on how you define the endowment but I mean you receive your garment during initiatories okay.

Jared:
[49:41] That’s part of the endowment that we break them up for the purpose of assignments in the temple but the industry as I have understood it in the story is part of your endowment.

Geoff:
[49:50] Which is fine I just wonder if Jenna is actually thinking the same way up she slowly referring to the endowment the traditional down at ceremony.

Jared:
[49:56] I think she’s right I don’t think there’s ever been a night and day she puts out that it’s weird instructed to wear throughout our life and that’s the thing in this so that’s where she’s
think she’s that the guideline is getting down to that you know it says basically as you were instructed and instruction is throughout your life and that’s a much more
like night and day is very specific like it kind of good definitely told you always right and then she says in her article issue gives an example,
I can’t really it’s like,
oh yeah Chipotle’s has franchises throughout the country but they’re not in every town so is it it’s good to exercise throughout our lives but that doesn’t mean we Exodus 34:7 our garments now in that category is so if we’re supposed to wear them throughout our life does that mean,
it doesn’t necessarily mean all the time every single day and I think this is,
I don’t to me this doesn’t represent a change you know I mean we’ve had Fairly specific instruction about not removing our garment for activities that could otherwise be done wearing them without.

Geoff:
[50:58] The fabled three s’s you mean whatever.

Jared:
[51:01] So are we going to go to the three S’s one of them is swimming showering.

Geoff:
[51:03] Yeah one of them is sex and one of them is sports sports is the one that sort of gotten has been taken off the list maybe a shower.

Jared:
[51:13] I thought it was showering because because I’ve heard arguments that while you can play sports in your garments I don’t know how to me it’s always been hey,
the Lord trusts you you don’t have to be commanded in all things as the doctor comes and says so you figure it out and I don’t think that’s changed I just think that the wording is changing to sort of acknowledge that principle that,
you know you’re an adult the Lord has entrusted you with his with his endowment therefore,
you’re mature enough to make a decision of this is an activity where I can take my garments off this is an activity where,
there’s no problem I can leave them on so I don’t know what it what it was your take on that.

Geoff:
[51:54] I don’t think the standard has changed much I’m going to take the standard you know you wear your garments like unless you don’t need to wear your garments for some reason it like you said they’ll be thoughtful about that I don’t think we have said that dictated to us,
outside of situations where you would not need to or would be unwise to wear them I think you’re supposed to be wearing right I got no one’s El think the brother ever going to condone just not wearing your garments for funsies more or less you know.

Jared:
[52:21] But then the other side of that coin is you know that people say like well you know if you took them off to go to the pool or you at the exercise whatever like immediately when you’re doing it said activity you should make sure you put them on right right right away
I hear people get really like they wring their hands about this idea of did you put them on as soon as you possibly could Anakin and I wonder if like
I understand the principal there like that the desire to be obedient the desire to be wearing this,
this garment that supposed to be a reminder to us it’s supposed to be a protection for a spiritual protection Etc but I mean,
are we also splitting hairs is this straining at gnats when we like you don’t make such strict rules I don’t know.

Geoff:
[53:03] No I’m for the sake of being redundant mean I agree with you there that’s just it just be reasonable people that’s okay I’ve been to the gym before without garments and then gone and had lunch afterwards.

Jared:
[53:18] Hey I think the same rule that was in the old missionary guide applies here Jeff don’t confess past transgressions on this podcast.

Geoff:
[53:25] Next up I will talk trash on previous companions.

Jared:
[53:30] Afterwards Jeff and I will model a companionship inventory.

Geoff:
[53:35] Oh my gosh my favorite companionship inventories were my probably the one with my favorite companion of my whole mission and all we would say is like a good but yeah I’m good cool.

Jared:
[53:44] Yeah yeah that was those are my favorite ones to that was what we would do to if we had when we was generally hey are we going to have a good.

Geoff:
[53:51] But we had that kind of relationship where it worked and there weren’t like major issues were as I had another companion was like I think we should sit down really like talk about what we’re feeling and I was like oh my gosh this is not what I said,
I don’t want to talk through things that we did have a bad companionship so I think his intentions were good trying to like sort it out
oh my goodness I was like oh my God why is every single Monday morning like dr. Phil what are we doing it was fun I had a good time there.

[54:22] Thank you very much well in our waning moments here there’s a couple of we still got some good stuff to get into real quick the Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square has announced its lineup for,
this Christmas concert the 20th annual Christmas concert with the guest artists and also a new a process for requesting complimentary tickets are the concerts will be the 12th to the 14th of December at 8 p.m. at the conference center in
and Temple Square in Salt Lake City and other going to be joined by Kelli O’Hara who is a tour-de-force performer who’s performed in Uno many,
places with many things and she’s capable and I’m going to love her a great perhaps most excited that Richard Thomas,
is going to be the narrator of Richard Thomas is known for The Waltons what you want an Emmy Award he was also on Stephen King’s miniseries it and also something I didn’t think anything related to the church would ever write about
the fact that he played FBI special agent Frank Gad on the fox series The Americans if you’ve ever seen the American it’s one of the best shows ever made
it is not a show that I think the church would like to encourage you to take your time to watch.

Jared:
[55:31] Right I mean this that was my favorite part of this whole announcement that they were like you know John Boy from the Waltons also he was in it and the Americans.

Geoff:
[55:39] The Americans I’m like I’m like the Americans you mean when he dies cuz he jumps out of a window spoiler alert everybody sorry Season 5 but the best character,
he was the he was the chief of their division or whatever at the FBI and they’re in.

Jared:
[55:56] The counterintelligence.

Geoff:
[55:57] The other investigating you know Russian assets and stuff and true to the 80s setting the FBI had a male robot that any of you seem like the show Jared.

Jared:
[56:06] Oh yeah I will have watched it a beginning to end.

Geoff:
[56:08] So the mail robot was a real thing the government had where was a robot that knew how to follow lines on the ground in Woodstock.

Jared:
[56:15] Yeah it’s what mail is mail in this case not a male right on an Android it’s a it’s a mail delivery robot.

Geoff:
[56:22] It would deliver the mail and there’s a part the spent this money thing is it became of me and my most fans of the show where agent guy gets so frustrated he just starts kicking and beating the male robot mercilessly,
and that’s what I love about Richard Thomas I want them to bring a male robot on the stage during the Christmas concert and let him beat it,
senselessly and on the show that had a lot of sense was beatings that was the best one.

Jared:
[56:49] This is true.

Geoff:
[56:50] Anyway if you want to go to concert on the registration. Is already begun
it runs from Friday October 25th noon on Sunday November 3rd so none of this information is any good to you to get the day later but on Monday November 11th,
results of the random selection will be communicated to all registrants I believe you can still get tickets through other conventional means but this time around they let you register in advance for a lottery
basically.

Jared:
[57:16] You can also watch it online or at your local sticks in her.

Geoff:
[57:19] Yeah I never been to one in person I would love to go to one of these concerts.

Jared:
[57:23] You could have one in person and it was back when I was at BYU and I can’t remember the name of the guest artists Becky was this Welsh tenor and he was fantastic.

Geoff:
[57:33] I think I know the one you’re talking about slightly red headed.

Jared:
[57:36] Probably aren’t all Wells Tennis lady redhead.

Geoff:
[57:39] I mean if you get, Mario Batali vibe from him I think I know the one you were free.

Jared:
[57:42] He was a large person but in all Tenors kind of large people.

Geoff:
[57:45] No I’m a tenor.

Jared:
[57:46] I’m talking about like you know professional performer Tenors you know when you look at that cuz they got it out and like possible we can talk about pasta to me anymore I guess but.

Geoff:
[57:55] Why can’t I reply to what did I miss.

Jared:
[57:57] Ilu you haven’t heard about all the me-too movement.

Geoff:
[58:00] Oh I forgot about YouTube Placido U2.

Jared:
[58:04] Yeah Yo Tambien me to anime.

Geoff:
[58:07] I’m looking for a Wells performing with Bryn terfel.

Jared:
[58:11] Yes that’s the same yes he had this amazing either he was wearing like a,
I want to see it like a tuxedo jacket like a 10 or would but at one point he kind of opened it wide and you could see that the interior lining of the jacket was the Welsh flag so hit this Dragon going across behind his back it was awesome yeah.

Geoff:
[58:29] That’s not the first. Welsh individually did Katherine Jenkins a few years ago she even sing a song and Welsh during the concert so i m o l Schmidt so I am very happy about this.

Jared:
[58:40] Well I mean does it don’t we don’t we tell the tale that the whole reason we have a tabernacle choir is because of the Welsh immigrants to baptize by Dan Jones that they came over and they had such a strong musical tradition that that’s what that where are Tabernacle Choir came from.

Geoff:
[58:53] I choose to believe yes.

Jared:
[58:55] So you know.

Geoff:
[58:56] Super Wheels.

Jared:
[58:58] The Welsh and they’re singing and that that has done great things for our church musical Traditions so.
Craig Welsh okay we got to well they’re not really short stories but I think we can cover them quickly.

Geoff:
[59:11] I will think of him quickly before the people lose interest let’s do it.

Jared:
[59:14] All right so let’s talk about this this article about is funny in our little show notes,
Geoff mark this as private LDS schools in Utah when really these are not LDS schools this article is about quote-unquote lds-aligned.

Geoff:
[59:32] Okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Jared:
[59:34] Little bit this is what’s interesting to me and it said I’m in the article itself was fairly interesting that there’s a school called the American Heritage School it’s a big
deal in Utah that they’ve got a lot of students they’re planning to expand and so the lot of the article is just about this idea that if you know the American Heritage School is going to expand but they,
that was one of the key features that this is from The Daily Herald witch that’s not a church on newspaper right then we own Deseret News but.

Geoff:
[1:00:01] Daily Herald yeah we’ve got KSL Deseret News.

Jared:
[1:00:04] Right okay so Daily Herald still it’s a Utah County based newspaper their reporting on this a keep referring to not just,
the American Heritage School as lds-aligned but that there are several there either private or charter schools that are quote-unquote lds-aligned to me was the most,
interesting feature of the article as you pointed out or whoever posted it to the did this article to the Facebook page that the soul comment in the post,
before the link was the church does not currently own or operate any private schools in the state of Utah but this whole article.

Geoff:
[1:00:40] K through 12 school K through 12 schools.

Jared:
[1:00:42] Call Kid to Kid Utah BYU LDS business college,
so but this article kept on referring to like the sort of like perceived need for a non-public school a school where LDS standards and beliefs and etcetera can be taught in in bodied and
yeah I’m parked it to the student body but they but the tone to me that way I read it was as if they were saying like this,
in effect it is a church school that it said it sounded they didn’t say Church sanctioned but that was when they were saying lds-aligned that’s the kind of the message that I got and I just thought that was an interesting way to present that says if,
I mean I could start a school or a book or something and say we this is lds-aligned and kind of take it wherever I wanted to just by claiming your lds-aligned does that necessarily mean,
you represent the church’s standards values and beliefs.

Geoff:
[1:01:42] Yeah it’s funny because of course is Latter Day Saints I think we often feel as some sort of sort of affinity bias little for these sorts of things and if you do see something it says it’s an LDS a lime to school you just assume,
this is good discovers what I need this will espouse my values.

Jared:
[1:01:59] So I’m bi bi bi education I’m a historian I have I have a masters in histories and it’s so this is one example where I would think so a place that has a name like American Heritage School I’m assuming is presenting some sort of,
Barry what’s the how do you describe this.

Geoff:
[1:02:19] Are you with the word you’re looking for is Maga.

Jared:
[1:02:21] That’s not what I was looking for it just a very Noble presentation of the events of the American founding and American history.

Geoff:
[1:02:32] It it’s it it would be summed up as the prayer at Valley Forge the class.

Jared:
[1:02:38] Right right and so then I think so,
if we present you know basically it was it into a friend in the comments said something about you know presenting George Washington has basically being a Mormon kind of a thing so like it that if that’s how history classes taught,
it’s a time and you claim to be in lds-aligned school is that sort of like presupposing well this is how the church views George Washington that he was basically this extremely virtuous person who had no flaws who single-handedly,
not only threw a silver dollar across the Potomac but found in the country by himself and I like I mean it’s a little hesitant to when I see these organizations they will wear lds-aligned,
can you really claim that in good conscience and and say that everything that we’re doing somehow would if it could have the Church of sanction on it you know what I mean.

Geoff:
[1:03:33] I get no idea what you’re saying and then it gets even more complicated when you talk about somewhere likes a Southern Virginia University by the most probably the most famous lds-aligned.

[1:03:42] College I keep in the summer or are you just had their youth conference out there SVU,
which is fine if you go to any venue I mean it’s not like any different
on paper than if they’d go to a campsite or Campground somewhere in the woods or what have you instead they’re just going to a random Municipal like facility but I think the fact that it’s
Southern Virginia University is not like they’re in our case you know going in like renting out James Madison University or George Mason University
or any other random facility that could support them they’re going all the way down there to Buena Vista and,
sort of lending Credence to the idea that this is a only not a real church school on paper only,
an outline I think is blurred I have to wonder how the brother and feel about these sorts of things if it is special even though you know the post correlation era of the church when you have,
weather at SVU or in the case of the article,
K through 12 charter schools in Utah that are preaching LDS values as it’s a good thing or do they stand to incorrectly interpret the message of the church and and kids going to school you know all the way through,
K through 12 perhaps even,
might be indoctrinated with as you suggested material that is not actually approved by Salt Lake.

Jared:
[1:05:08] Or I mean in an even regardless of whether you like even if we’re not approaching the idea of approval but just
representational and end in that in that I think that also my concern for that would bleed into like how are you teaching the sciences that you have a lot of like climate change deniers in your science
and there’s somehow presenting this as
or even like in Arleta let’s to make it not such a current Hot Topic but like how is this school teaching evolution or astrophysics or you know anything that might you know rub up against some of our church teachings have been away that some people find
makes them uncomfortable or is it just that they have too many questions to feel comfortable believing in you know a certain scientific principles is that,
being reflected in that what’s being tired of the school or social issues political issues that I mean again in for the name like American Heritage School I have to believe that they are going to be.

[1:06:02] At some sort of social or political leanings within the school so are their social science teachers presenting a certain historical view of immigration
that’s so you know it has a slant to it that begin may or may not represent what the church teaches or what
the majority of its members actually believe I don’t know I just kind of
I would declare fire earlier when you mentioned SVU I made a sound and I wasn’t making about ask you I believe it’s a fine institution I made the sound because you once again use that term Tricia line tonight or lds-aligned in it I that termite I don’t like it
I don’t like it one bit.

Geoff:
[1:06:39] Well don’t worry Jared wants president Elizabeth Warren takes off and she’s going to put a stop to all this crap.

Jared:
[1:06:43] Okay I thought I was getting a little too political in my comments are there but you just crossed the line.

Geoff:
[1:06:47] It’s going to be over man forget all this all this all this is over all right it will be Public Schools they want even have cute names to be like in New York City oldest become public school for,
that’ll be the end of everything.

Jared:
[1:07:00] Man U and your socialist Paradise.

Geoff:
[1:07:02] Yeah I know you know me and me and Bernie just hanging out with the drinks so,
Leslie building on this on on LDS related schools or whatever let’s talk about actual Church owned and operated schools and the Daily Herald publishing article I was 2 weeks ago now but this one’s,
been fun to visit the headline reads the BYU considered a building campuses in Anaheim California Phoenix Arizona and Portland Oregon to manage groups,
the Articles pretty long it goes into it goes back to the 50s of BYU commissioning,
studies about where populations were going to grow where there were how they needed the cap admissions to BYU and essentially build what were junior colleges,
elsewhere of satellite campuses sort of in the same thing as Rick’s okay LOL which became BYU-Idaho later on in the 2000s,
and and the Saudis are funny they underestimated how many Latter-Day Saints there would be total,
by the year was it by mm I want to say they also want to say is very interesting because it’s grossly overestimated the number of Latter Day Saints in my native California the those,
issuing the study believe that Los Angeles would have more Latter Day Saints than Salt Lake City,
at some point in that Mormons were going to migrate to California in the 50s I completely understand why one would assume this.

[1:08:28] I mean California was in at a day you’re the post-war economic boom,
California sells a lot of people that are the politics again but obviously it’s a bit different right now I’m sure you could talk to plenty of people in Utah and say and suggested that all move to California then
rolled her eyes about Gavin Newsom socialist paradise and how they would never go there so,
that was off and that’s why of course they did not wind up actually building a BYU satellite campus in Anaheim and I don’t know where the Anaheim properties we tried to look it up
I couldn’t find any additional information as to where that would be one of our Facebook commenters suggested that the site reserved in Portland Oregon is what became the temple there,
I’m not a hundred percent sure that’s correct but if it is interesting
couple site all these reports were out west noticed nowhere in the study that it suggests BYU in like the DC area.

Jared:
[1:09:21] Or Independence Missouri.

Geoff:
[1:09:22] Or yeah or somewhere like that in DC’s unique gets you know long had the most Latter Day Saints of anywhere east of the Rocky Mountains and in one metropolitan area nope,
it’s a lot the cutoff line visually on a map is very clearly the Rocky Mountains there is nothing past the Continental Divide it is Illustrated,
by the map I think it’s pretty interesting you know number of Acres you know varying from 80 acres and Laverne Laverne California is close to a Clermont
ever heard of The Claremont colleges Mexico City only had 30 Acres I have to imagine that became one of our other schools,
but we had in Mexico at some point there was also Idaho Falls Salt Lake City San Fernando California Anaheim California Fremont California which is in the Bay Area,
Portland and Phoenix so it would have been interesting if they would have done this I wonder what it would have been like if there would have been a BYU in Anaheim my girlfriend X Anaheim like what I.

Jared:
[1:10:14] What I’ve honestly.

Geoff:
[1:10:14] Provo or what I if I don’t know.

Jared:
[1:10:16] I’ve honestly wondered if something like this is in our future because it has a little bit into this talking about the need for expansion and to Comedy,
to try to continue to accommodate the people who want to go to BYU but it in Idaho as far as I understand it their policy is,
the basic if you apply you get in more or less and sincere, need to stay if you know,
they do a lot of online classes they have the king of the pathways program something badass I’ll run through BYU-Idaho but also they have this rotating,
3 semester 3 trimester thing where you get assigned or you’re going to go to these to this part of the years that we can accommodate the other students in a different part of the year,
accepting always applicants,
it seems to me that at some point we’re going to have to physically expand and build more Church schools that’s just my speculation,
it would be interesting to see where then they like would we go again for Southern California at 4 I mean Arizona and Idaho are you know likely suspects because of the concentration biy not expand out east and expand internationally
you know I don’t know.

Geoff:
[1:11:31] See it’s funny you said and this of course I drummed up an old
article on this week in Mormons will probably be like the first blog post type thing that we wrote that Al wrote arguing that we need to close all Church schools including BYU.

Jared:
[1:11:44] Yes I remember that.

Geoff:
[1:11:45] Yeah that was an interesting place cuz I but I don’t think we’re going to go that way I mean we’ve been closing other schools especially internationally for year.

Jared:
[1:11:51] The academy is the high school level academies in Malden shutting down.

Geoff:
[1:11:55] Those will be shutting down and I don’t know if the church is still in the business of trying to stand up full-blown the higher,
learning institution dies I see your argument for but I just don’t know anymore and I love the argument for closing them all down basically arguing like you have a great experience but how much stronger would it be if like Latter Day Saints lifted where they stood,
and served in their in their communities are their states or wherever they go to school.

Jared:
[1:12:19] So beef up the Institute program so that you still have that good Horton you get your religious education but you go to the CIA.

Geoff:
[1:12:28] But at the same time how are those guy who served missions in Peru going to meet the Peruvian that they want to marry right.

Jared:
[1:12:34] I mean I can’t argue with that Jeff I just can’t argue with it.

Geoff:
[1:12:40] I mean I had a great time at BYU I think it was it was wonderful to meet people from all over the place however that said I think the I’ve enjoyed living in DC because,
even if byui did not meet nearly as many kids most of them were from the West
there’s the Stray individual came from somewhere else but I think when you lived back East you find a lot of other kids went to college somewhere other than BYU and a lot of your Social Network involves people not even from the western United States and used,
great perspective when your group of friends are Mormons from Michigan and Illinois and Alabama and Main and wherever else
that you don’t go to BYU for some reason so.

Jared:
[1:13:17] Let me make my right now the best argument I can think of,
for BYU is like you said it like a lot of the students and people I met a new like a strangely enough either from my hometown or just going to like that Western United States area but,
where I encountered the greatest diversity,
cortical diversity at BYU was diversity of thought through the faculty and I learned from my BYU experience that I could interact with adult mature
members of the church who you know where members in good standing etcetera Etc who had very diverse ideas and opinions politically socially,
you know Etc cetera and it kind of like open my eyes and my mind to the the thought that oh
the the the brand of conservatism that I was raised with and that I was taught was a norm for how a member of the church thinks,
is not necessarily that’s not a sort of the way it is and so I appreciate it being exposed to some really really great and intellectually,
astounding faculty members at BYU who taught me hey there are other ways to think about and View and understand the world,
that’s okay you know it’s all I know and it was unique I think I don’t know if I could have understood that other than that outside of BYU.

Geoff:
[1:14:40] I’m with you on that too and I think I appreciated it because I had mostly like Latter Day Saint professors but as a poli-sci major I think,
worldview it was kind of split pretty evenly like in terms of right left amongst the professor’s so it was great how you act like I got this balance be adored,
dudes from DuBois from Wales he was a
pretty like liberal interesting guy at the same time had like eight kids sending while on missions all this stuff just Fascinating People in California.

Jared:
[1:15:12] For sure I did have one I had one Professor who was an LDS he was Catholic he was one of my Spanish professors and he was awesome I love them
and I kind of wish there was a little more of that kind of diversity among the faculty
but I did appreciate all of the again quote on quote diversity of east of thought and viewpoints today and counted among the LDS faculty there so.

Geoff:
[1:15:32] There we go incidentally I found out where the location would have been in Anaheim not that you know Anaheim very well but as I do.

Jared:
[1:15:39] I know well enough to get to Disneyland.

Geoff:
[1:15:41] It wouldn’t be a few miles from Disneyland to be off Euclid in the 91 freeway folks which today occupy you’ve got a big like medical complex a Toyota dealership,
about apartment complex,
some mobile homes but more importantly there’s a Del Taco it gets a pass I feel like getting the Del Taco was inadequate,
I think I was a fair trade-off for not having BYU it was you can ever have a chance of a Del Taco people take it seriously okay it’s a blessing,
are you going to recognize that
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Jared:
[1:16:48] Sorry I should have silent stead of.

Geoff:
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Jared:
[1:17:12] It’s been it’s been a pleasure Jeff.

Geoff:
[1:17:14] Let’s be sure to Jared everything for taking the time to listen in we appreciate your time and please subscribe if you have not done so so for Jared I’m Jeff this is been this week in Mormons be excellent to each other.