Tragedy has struck a Latter-day Saint offshoot in Mexico, with Mexican cartels executing women and children near the Mormon colonies. As the affected families mourn, many have noted that these individuals are not Mormons, but fundamentalists unrelated to the Utah church. So what defines a “Latter-day Saint” or a “Mormon”? Who owns the right to be called a “Mormon”? And why are Mormons in Mexico in the first place?

Let’s talk about bishops. Should we still call released bishops “bishop“? Kurt, a former bishop, has experience with this. Geoff, as his usual self, demands that all female leaders be addressed as “President” following their release. Also, what is a bishop’s most important duty in the new era of Young Men and Young Women organization?

On to Utah, land of glory and fry sauce. We now know the location of the unfortunately named second temple in the St. George metropolitan area. Wikipedia also has a wonderful article about “Utah Mormon English,” reminding us all that Utah is weak!

We’re a few years removed from Russia adopting strict laws regarding religious activity, some of which have even caused the closure of entire missions, but now we’ve seen a Jehovah’s Witness imprisoned simply for living his faith. Russia. Our friend in peace.

Do you make a difference in your calling? Our own Jeff Borders wonders that very thing. As a convert, he had unique experiences when he received a certain calling, and he wasn’t sure if he was being successful.

Matthew Gong, son of apostle Elder Gerrit W. Gong, is gay. He recently penned a birthday letter to himself where he elaborated on his experience as the gay son of a prophet. It’s a great read that covers many bases, but it forces us to ask ourselves whether our religion, our church, or our culture is most important.

In other Facebook areas, Elder Uchtdorf ruminated over the thirty-year anniversary of the Berlin wall coming down and how it pertains to personal and ecumenical unity. In a world driven apart seemingly at increasing levels every day, we need unity!

Elder Ronald A. Rasband did not mince words when asked a question about the Latter-day Saint-helmed illegal adoption ring in Arizona, saying he was “disgusted.” Perhaps more interesting, Elder Rasband seemed to allude to the Brethren playing a role in deciding one’s fellowship status, an activity that is, at least officially, reserved for stake presidents.

Light the World machines are up around the world! Is there one in your area? Probably not.

Transcript

Geoff:
[0:00] Here we are everyone in the wake of Disney plus becoming a reality as a new era,
and because Latter Day Saints love Disney you know what I’m talkin about welcome to this week in Mormons everyone this week and Latter Day Saints whatever you want to call us I don’t care anymore it’s fine,
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have a good rapport I daresay the man on the other end today however I don’t do this alone that should be too much for even my wife everybody,
Kirk Franklin from leading Santa’s here.

Kurt:
[1:00] Thank you Jeff could be back with you at Sinai.

Geoff:
[1:02] You sound exhausted what was that.

Kurt:
[1:05] This is my is my NPR voice Jeff I’m just grateful to.

Geoff:
[1:08] You don’t even listen to NPR we established that in the show like a.

Kurt:
[1:10] You’re so grateful to be in your mop closet here.

Geoff:
[1:13] Did you forget about the NPR show.

Kurt:
[1:15] I did not forget it.

Geoff:
[1:16] When you thought all of NPR was this American life and that was the only thing they had on the air.

Kurt:
[1:22] I did not make that argument you are you are simplifying at minimizing my my argument there but sorry to tear you away from your at Disney plus are you actually a subscriber of Disney Plus.

Geoff:
[1:37] Yes I am I barely used it I got this morning and loaded it up and started peruse.

Kurt:
[1:41] What is it 10 12 bucks a month 07 that’s nothing right about your keeping the Netflix right.

Geoff:
[1:43] No it’s $7 a month now it’s 7 it’s it’s $7 a month which would be $84 a year but if you pay annually it’s like 70 bucks years they cut it down even more.

Kurt:
[1:55] What are you most excited to dive into on Disney.

Geoff:
[1:59] I’m admittedly not even sure yet I mean I grew up like a lot of people on like Disney stuff and I think I have a soft spot for,
the great eighties and nineties of dislike when you have the Disney channel is a kid if you had that it wasn’t all these terrible weird live-action shows they have now wasn’t Hannah Montana or whatever come since,
it was like a couple random shows when you see a bunch of cool Disney cartoon my lovable deal Disney Tunes from the 40s all of those are there.

Kurt:
[2:24] Oh yeah the Donald Duck’s the Goofy’s the yeah.

Geoff:
[2:28] The funny thing is they come with a little disclaimer I looked up an old Chip and Dale cartoon ever there was one I’d love to the kid Winship When Donald Duck is a lumberjack and Chip and Dale.

Kurt:
[2:36] Oh yeah absolutely.

Geoff:
[2:38] So it says right here when Donald no so it says at the end of this is for a lot of the old short cartoon shorts it says this program is presented as originally created it may contain outdated cultural depiction.

Kurt:
[2:48] Oggi’s the Disney so PC you know.

Geoff:
[2:51] So woke man.

Kurt:
[2:53] There was Disney’s woke so what do they have.

Geoff:
[2:57] For the Mandalorian though that’ll be for sale that goes.

Kurt:
[2:59] So they pretty much have liked all of the full-length animated movies on there like all the classics and everything.

Geoff:
[3:06] As in Disney speak they have opened the Vault that doesn’t mean they won’t go back.

Kurt:
[3:11] I’ve been using that phrase for decades.

Geoff:
[3:13] They have it it’s been this kind of Stingy Disney way to say well we’re going to put it back in the vault until there’s a new form of fish.

Kurt:
[3:19] Turn on AR are printing presses are.

Geoff:
[3:22] Exactly like they don’t put it out in the open the vaults put something on DVD then make it disappear,
other one Blu-rays back out. I don’t know most stuff is there I have not done like a full catalog search to know like what random films might be missing the Pixar films I’ve got the Marvel movies that got the lucasfilm Creations in a Star Wars and what have you,
so what’s the big deal I may have a lot of the content that they got from the fox merger so none of this would have happened but I’ve been buying 20th Century Fox.

Kurt:
[3:47] So can I watch my my Simpsons seasons.

Geoff:
[3:50] They actually that you can stream the entirety of The Simpsons.

Kurt:
[3:53] Are you serious.

Geoff:
[3:55] Hold the whole show.

Kurt:
[3:56] You know I been slowly building a library at some of these old Disney movies for my kids you know like Little Mermaid we got Lion King.

Geoff:
[4:05] They’re they’re all there.

Kurt:
[4:06] And I flush that money down the toilet There You Go Disney I guess I.

Geoff:
[4:11] I done this I’ve done this to I’ve acquired copies of things over the years with her physical I could buy digital one and then I’ll put it up on like a Plex server or something like that but now it’s all just there.

Kurt:
[4:20] And isn’t the headlines around saying that like,
like obviously like you know what if you bought a Disney movie like we bought all of these Disney movies to Amazon but if they take the licensing away from Amazon they could just disappear even though I,
quote bot the movie.

Geoff:
[4:39] That could potentially and presumably happen in any situation where you purchased digital media that’s the way down sound like you might buy these things being if you have one different Services there are some services that look like movies anywhere which tries to be like a single sign-on,
to access all the different places where you potentially purchased filmed over the years I canvassed iTunes or Fandango or Google play or Amazon or what have you,
but you always run the risk of that I mean it’s true if you buy physical media the only thing you’re going to run the risk of is a technology itself being obsolete but as as,
someone at my mom’s house probably still has boxes of old Disney VHS tapes.

Kurt:
[5:14] Pata de Pata plastic boxes.

Geoff:
[5:17] That that’s how you knew it was legit man then it just give you some some cardboard thing no way was real.

Kurt:
[5:22] Yeah and two kind of dovetail into a Latter-Day Saint topic and enroll in relation to Media.

Geoff:
[5:29] That’s good. I did not know there was one from this so I’m.

Kurt:
[5:32] No like might my wife decided to do the trial of Living Scriptures we didn’t even have we didn’t have the guy knock on our door we just did have you done this GIF of you experience.

Geoff:
[5:42] I’ve long been interested in Living Scriptures and as recently this weekend my father’s tell him I thought my my brother-in-law like a good place to just like random,
Churchill Church movie this or that like that’s funny on YouTube you’d like to live in scripture so so is recently is like Sunday night I too was downloading living strip,
perusing it.

Kurt:
[6:07] You know I’m just scared that about just I’ve been to be awesome I am more impressed than I expected you should probably reach out to Living Scriptures before you publish this so they can sponsor this and that you check cuz you deserve.

Geoff:
[6:18] Before they pull this before before they pull the sponsorship after what I’m going to say next.

Kurt:
[6:22] That’s true but like they have these eclipse for you know that follow come follow me like.

Geoff:
[6:29] Yeah yeah yeah.

Kurt:
[6:30] We just studied the book of Hebrews in and it does whole whiteboard animation about what he Brews is and what it covers and put it into context and like even my four-year-old sits there and you know they’re about like
hello 10 minutes or so to go through this in my four-wheel just sits there and just as intrigued by,
Destino animation happening on the screening and I sit there and I’m learning all sorts of stuff about Hebrews in and other books you know in the new test.

Geoff:
[6:55] I saw those I saw those when I was looking around but I didn’t watch any of them.

Kurt:
[6:59] No I I recommend I was impressed by that my kids of course my wife I guess she had her family did the Living Scriptures subscription when she was young my my parents plus a heartworm,
how do I say to cheap to consider things.

Geoff:
[7:14] Because Living Scriptures in the previous tape format was a racket to be clear sure folks you can sponsor this program to support what you’re doing now but back in the 80s when they charge you like $25 per tape for a.

Kurt:
[7:28] Was that how much it was.

Geoff:
[7:29] 20 minute but it was really expensive.

Kurt:
[7:31] I retract my statement my parents weren’t cheap they were they were irrational set sensible.

Geoff:
[7:35] There were sensible people on a budget yeah.

Kurt:
[7:39] So yeah it is so it’s pretty much every pop them but now it’s like I don’t know what after the trial what I keep it for a bit cuz it’s nice that
I appreciate that though the animated scripture stories aren’t like,
Uber accurate or historical whenever but I think they gives them a foundation of context to begin to think about some of these stories in the.

Geoff:
[8:00] What I’m looking at this way though like are they an accurate I mean are they any less accurate in the animated Book of Mormon stories than the church’s recent live-action Productions with drop was traumatized all sorts of things as well.

Kurt:
[8:12] Yeah I haven’t been enjoying his book more than once as much as the New Testaments of the Bible.

Geoff:
[8:16] I think this is it just me or they feel like they’re sort of like a cheaper.

Kurt:
[8:21] Yeah well anything.

Geoff:
[8:22] You know what I mean like the production tell you seen weirder compared to the Bible series.

Kurt:
[8:25] I think what it is is just that they that they do dramatize it right word in the Bible videos they went word for word from the scriptures and just to hear a you know a,
a christ-like figure actor who is a fantastic Jesus Christ depiction State these things.

Geoff:
[8:44] Play red head by the way.

Kurt:
[8:45] Yes he is I follow on Instagram he’s a good follow his weird to see like Jesus out in the biz backyard.

Geoff:
[8:51] What’s it what’s his name the four people want to follow if you got to give him a shout out.

Kurt:
[8:54] Okay I’ll look it up but what was I going Jeff.

Geoff:
[8:58] We never know.

Kurt:
[8:59] Oh yeah the book Moore’s words so they use the scriptures word for word right now I just feel like that brought an extra layer of reverence where it’s now the book more it’s like Nephi what are you doing over there building about hahaha like it’s just not as,
Escape but I don’t know how it’s it’s tough cuz I don’t know how to say would do it specially have so much material to cover.

Geoff:
[9:20] And the Book of Mormon is even more narratively driven the Bible I mean obviously their key Milestones that happened throughout the Bible but for the most part,
the four gospels repeat stuff and the New Testament lends itself really well to a bunch of vignettes based on the the Christ Parables and things like that of the videos are but yeah the Book of Mormon is much more of a,
a saga at the very least it’s going to be great so we’re going to get past you know the Book of Mormon movie.

Kurt:
[9:47] And I feel like it’s got a slight flavor of that Book of Mormon movie like but just like I don’t know.

Geoff:
[9:54] I have been trying to find a gif of the near the very end of that very not good film,
when Kirby heyborne Sam character decides he’s like I miss my brothers new fire we need to go back and find them and Nephi resistant finally in like a martin-harris situations like find go and,
and that’s when they spent all their money on the helicopter shot of Kirby heyborne walking along like a Mountain Crest Inn in Kawaii or somewhere and the den he stumbled upon his brothers reveling in idolatry around the fire like Savages,
and the last shot is it he’s so sad about it,
I know the camera zooms pans over to lamb and I believe who’s now has long hair and makeup and all sorts of,
wild things I need looks right at the camera and like Gene Simmons the thing like sticks his tongue out to go see breaking the fourth wall,
and that’s it I’m like that’s the movie the movies make me over at that point and that’s how it ends and it’s really sad they didn’t get the rest of the Book of Mormon movie.

Kurt:
[10:58] Yeah and I have a memory my mind summer I saw like an interview with the director
of that and he like why he was inspired to to make that movie and he sort of says I saw the Ten Commandments when I was a child and I knew their needs being equivalent.

Geoff:
[11:16] He was a regular Cecil B Demille for sure.

Kurt:
[11:18] And your heart just breaks for the guy cuz you’re like oh my goodness this was so far from I mean obviously the when was The Ten Commandments filmed in the 40s.

Geoff:
[11:28] 1950s 1959.

Kurt:
[11:29] I mean it was a stunning piece of,
enough cinematic work right in this guy totally misses it and of course I guess funding fell through for the sequel Jeff Cuz I’m still.

Geoff:
[11:42] Get out oh my.

Kurt:
[11:44] So a John Voss is actually the actor who plays Jesus Christ he’s a filmmaker as well,
and his handle is i m as in the the letters i m possible f o s s i b l e,
but yeah it’s he’s doing some great work and he’s quite the artist.

Geoff:
[12:08] Kurt yo-yo the pixel 4.

Kurt:
[12:11] I do I just got it Jeff.

Geoff:
[12:12] Oh man we could digress more on this program I love your thoughts on that I’ve been I’m still pics of wanting you know.

Kurt:
[12:20] I really will get.

Geoff:
[12:21] Did you guys ever wonder want to hear about Disney plus and Android politics that’s why they’re here so.

Kurt:
[12:26] That’s right.

Geoff:
[12:28] I need to watch more of the Book of Mormon videos though the new ones I have.

Kurt:
[12:32] Yeah I’ve only watched a couple.

Geoff:
[12:33] And we’re already like seven or eight weeks in at this point and I have an early run if your Christmas right and things like that I think it’s the Friday after Christmas is the last going to be Enos I believe it stopped to Enos this season,
which I’m excited about.

Kurt:
[12:46] Oh and then you’ll have another season with the the next section of the.

Geoff:
[12:50] Will there be season 3 they wrap season 2 they’re way ahead of the curve here as far as production to air,
but I don’t know how the book of Enos is going to be when it’s you know of full video because he’s alone there’s no like dialogue and he just praise the whole time so I think that should be,
very interesting to watch I’m curious to see what they do to make that.

Kurt:
[13:13] Will sleep and that’s a segment that you could do word for word right mean that’s a beautiful piece of.

Geoff:
[13:17] That’s true you could have you could have him to narrate it while he’s doing his act.

Kurt:
[13:20] Get a solid actor who can really just put the emotion into it you know.

Geoff:
[13:25] The only actor you ever need is the one who.

Kurt:
[13:28] John Voss call John Voss Isabelle.

Geoff:
[13:30] No job boss can’t I mean he did that series I think people might what what’s his face. I forgot I forgot the name of the guy who is bad at me.

Kurt:
[13:38] Kirby heyborne.

Geoff:
[13:39] No everyone is given a part in this new show on BYUtv is very good but no the guy who plays Joseph Smith in the old Joseph Smith movie also plays Peter in the Bible videos.

Kurt:
[13:47] Oh yeah people have told me I look like him.

Geoff:
[13:52] You’ll always look more like John boss.

Kurt:
[13:57] If he actually if you look my brother if you my brother my brother looks a lot like him but I had a few people mention that to me and I’d say I don’t mind if I look like Joseph Smith.

Geoff:
[14:06] That guy’s been a lot of stuff he was he’s even in if you go to the San Diego and San Diego the Mormon Battalion Visitor Center,
he’s everywhere he’s in that to give me a hooker out of it I don’t know what just happened but I heard a four-year-old upstairs go.

Kurt:
[14:22] Sounds like sounds for gyro.

Geoff:
[14:25] Kid Rock kids are awesome news Kirk. Tell me about the leading Saints live.

Kurt:
[14:30] Oh yeah yeah I’m glad you print some space here for me Jeff because this Saturday November 16th if you are in the Salt Lake Area the Wasatch Front let’s say.

Geoff:
[14:39] Don’t care sorry I mean what I meant to say was.

Kurt:
[14:43] And I have the option if you’re not but if you’re in the area you should come to the Salt Lake Community College Miller Campus,
at the free the Miller free enterprise building and there we will be having leading Saints live or we have five phenomenal speakers Anthony sweats,
Wendy Ulrich myself,
Dan Duckworth and Jody Moore the one and only jodimor will be speaking at this conference and it’s just you know we do the podcast we can people listening but it’s fun to get people in a in a room that,
flesh and Bone and and have an event to.

Geoff:
[15:22] So that’s so the format is you’re having a podcast with all five of them at once.

Kurt:
[15:28] No it’s not a podcast recording though it will be recorded it’s just a conference of the leech to have 70 minutes to talk and we’ll learn from them and they’ll interact with the audience but we are going to stream it as well so if you do or if you are in Spain or,
Argentina or wherever you can go to Leading saints.org and right there in the homepage you can register for the stream and it’s free just registered with your email and then,
will send you a link that morning to TuneIn so it’s great looking forward to it.

Geoff:
[16:00] Now if I were to to to play Devil’s Advocate what can I expect to get out of this from you or your speakers that Ike that I haven’t received otherwise it previously these are all movers and shakers so like what what is this going to bring me that’s new.

Kurt:
[16:15] A handshake Jeff you can literally walk up to us and shake her hand.

Geoff:
[16:18] Okay I’m not in Utah what is this going to do for me.

Kurt:
[16:21] I don’t know it’s just I mean it’s just good leadership thought she was just like five episodes on one day that’s what you get.

Geoff:
[16:27] Is anyone from the church office building going to be in attendance to okay your words to fact-check everything.

Kurt:
[16:37] Rumor has it okay I don’t want to spread any rumors but Elder Bednar may say the opening prayer.

Geoff:
[16:43] Attaboy.

Kurt:
[16:44] I just I’m just putting that out there maybe faults but hey you’ll have to come and find out.

Geoff:
[16:50] Before he starts his prayer he will stand there and say what I’m about to do is I’m going to show you the way one just going to pray and I will illustrate it through three different points throughout my prayer that will support the thesis I lay out the beginning of my prayer after which I will issue closing remarks of thanks and praise,
and conclude with the collective amen.

Kurt:
[17:06] No Pride to stand there and shut the whole thing down that’s why what happened to Jeff it’s my my day you going to spot me for the rental price of this venue.

Geoff:
[17:17] Well that’s good I hope it would go to that sounds good I would go if I were in Utah would be there man.

Kurt:
[17:23] And I just be clear there will be no General Authority present on that I know of so.

Geoff:
[17:28] Which is a shame I mean that’s that’s a missed opportunity for you you must really kicking yourself about the way you’re running your organization there well Kurt can’t tell when can’t wait every day.

Kurt:
[17:38] Yeah that’s right.

Geoff:
[17:40] Well folks it’s at the grab bag of different other news items this week lots of it to think of course the I mean I think we’d be remiss if we didn’t address the,
biggest story of the week by far which affects us broadly is Latter Day Saints even if not our church itself so
I’m case you somehow missed this due to drug cartel violence nine Americans who are professed Mormons but of a different sect
I were ambushed in northern Mexico do they lived in the Mexican colonies there polygamists and they were murdered through,
this ambush of drug cartels this story has been everywhere and it’s it’s a terrible tragedy and it’s also played,
far longer than I thought it would have sparked new Cycles go I’ve been,
pretty surprised how long this is just been coming up and coming up I don’t know if it is the media’s fascination with Mormon polygamists and that whole angle of it and it’s Americans Portugal killed in Mexico but it’s terrible a mother a number of children,
most accounts say this wasn’t just like stray fire this was like straight up the rec,
no execution like fire a horrible horrible tragedy.

Kurt:
[18:54] Yeah.

Geoff:
[18:54] 4 Boys 2 Girls and three women were killed and many of them are leaving now a lot of them are American citizens and they’re just abandoning Mexico all together and,
going up to you. It’s been a terrible tragedy and I think what’s been very interesting in the wake of this of course is been the out the response on social media,
it’s been different I think there’s been.

Kurt:
[19:17] Have been following a Jeff what have I missed.

Geoff:
[19:19] How many circles a lot of people just expressed outrage in this this is terrible just terrible eventually there’s the one person in a thread who feels the need to,
correct the record and say Guys these are actually members of our church,
which is an important fact to get across but inevitably that person comes off as callous and insensitive to the larger situation even if they’re not intending to act that way but I saw a lot of that there’s always somebody says Guys these are like polygamists they’re not
like they didn’t kill Mormons they killed want to be Mormons I guess it opens up a discussion about what to find the Mormon as well or latter days.

Kurt:
[19:54] Yeah it’s it’s interesting because you know if it basically I don’t know the details about you know how the Baptist Church works or whatever but I don’t think you know there’s one
Central Point for membership record in the Baptist Church that you’re either in the Domaine church or not like they’re just different Baptist churches in.

Geoff:
[20:14] We are we’re more we’re more organized than that yeah.

Kurt:
[20:16] Yeah and so it’s sort of interesting that where you have such a bureaucracy to our if a tradition that yeah there,
and it’s there’s like a solid line between what a member is and isn’t but
the same time like as we grow and become a more and more of an International Church like they’re just going to be more of this work some of these off shoots of the church no matter when it was they Define themselves as Mormons or Latter Day Saints whatever it is and so we just need to say okay,
will call you that and then why don’t we just default to call them as part of our people you know regardless of if they really do have a bishop with the correct Authority or,
those types of things you know so.

Geoff:
[20:55] It’s kind of a interesting line I feel like we’ve ever since the succession crisis following the death of Joseph Smith we’ve never really stopped battling among the sex for
Supremacy right obviously the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is
is the Supreme one not to because we believe that doctrinally but no bike far away had more members and resources than any of the other groups whether it’s those that have issued polygamy like The Community of Christ and others
or whether it’s fundamentalist groups that have continued to follow it we all sort of Trace our history back to that Common Core and then there was just people who,
believe it Brigham Young wasn’t the deal.

Kurt:
[21:33] And I think any any sect or group that you know has the roots in in the Latter Day Saint tradition like,
their success can only promote our,
Dollar General success right I mean obviously there’s some breakouts that have done horrible things with polygamy and you know underage marrying and things like that but in general I didn’t give this these individuals I don’t think they were they in,
polygamous type tradition or yes yes but at the Navy knot in the what’s his name Jeff’s.

Geoff:
[22:06] No they weren’t they weren’t Jeff sessions no no they were another different group,
there’s been a lot of crushing of the record to find out which group has been which in all this,
obviously did not want to follow Brigham Young to Brigham Young of course supported polygamy you know that was a big part of our,
history and I have appreciated that a couple of news outlets of run stories explaining why Mormon offshoots fled to Mexico and you can even correct that and say it was this Mormon offshoots members of the church,
sanctioned by Salt Lake City members in good standing
also went to Mexico way back when I descend from that line I’m only a couple Generations removed my grandmother was was in a polygamous family Mexico and she was from the fourth wife and these were active in good standing Latter Day Saints,
but back when they went to Mexico to avoid US law to continue polygamy after the manifesto and even after the second Manifesto I mean obviously you’re talkin my grandmother was born in the 1920s.

[23:09] It was still good it was still kicking then you know it took a while for it to kind of stick
but of course there were others that went to Mexico that were either option a different point but it has been good that we’ve seen some more explanations as to why we have Mormon colonies in the first place and,
it’s rooted in a lot of different things and I’m not the main church history expert part of its religion polygamy and being able to continue doing it not under the auspices of US law,
part of it was part of the Brigham Young plan to colonize everything in our me some people up and down Every Witch Way.

Kurt:
[23:41] I did just finish reading Saints volume 1 so I am pretty much an expert when it comes to this.

Geoff:
[23:48] No you’re not because it’s more than one it does not get that far.

Kurt:
[23:52] Well it’s true I mean it talks about this the succession crisis.

Geoff:
[23:56] Saints volume 1 basic I haven’t read it for a year it basically ends after arrival in Salt Lake or.

Kurt:
[24:04] It ends with that Brigham Young taking over and then they’re just leaving now.

Geoff:
[24:07] They’re just leaving right that’s when it’s kicks off I know I haven’t read the first couple of the released chapters of volume two.

Kurt:
[24:13] I’m going to wait Jeff I want the whole enchilada.

Geoff:
[24:15] The succession crisis though,
it should be good at that. That’s important study for any Latter-Day Saint I don’t think it’s a slippery area where your you know you’re looking for trouble or anything like that it’s nothing in general,
especially not this this is just knowing your history like you can be a member of our church and realized they were competing interest when Joseph Smith died
and kind of understand the rationale behind a lot of it like I know who is James Strang why did Sidney Rigdon feel like he was entitled
why are there always an offshoot overtime and how does that affect church history today why is it now in Independence Missouri baseball for different Latter-Day Saint churches that own like different land at an intersection,
near where the temple was supposed to be in Independence for example like we have a lot of interesting history there and so much of it is tied to no one,
quote people not being on the level as to who was supposed to take over after Joseph Smith was killed.

Kurt:
[25:05] And I think it’s easy to just assume I go if I lived back then I would obviously follow Brigham Young I mean cuz that he was you know the obvious successor but I think it was a really difficult Dynamic that they were dealing with you know that you know I,
it’s because there was no written law that you know that this is how it works or I mean I don’t know if maybe there was something written but there was still seeing a lot of gray area I mean I think,
Wrigley wasn’t just completely power hungry but I think he really believed that he had a right to delete.

Geoff:
[25:36] That will they were various kind of competing Revelations or statement over the years to let people believe I’m even going as far back as like as Edward Partridge when they were selling more in Independence years ago there was a revelation that said like your
taking this thing over when it’s almost done that can change of course I mean the revelations about a lot of things and because of the Saints failure or cuz of different circumstances are,
I like even Sidney Rigdon what kind of on the outs by the time Jeff Smith was killed he was living back in Pennsylvania he only returned following just death to try to make the case for running the church.

Kurt:
[26:08] So speaking Jeff of succession crisis.

Geoff:
[26:11] Yes did you experience one recently in your stick did you experience when recently with a.

Kurt:
[26:18] I’m just saying that in general in our you know we go through sucess secession crisis all the time when a bishop is released what on Earth do we call him well your,
you’ll be happy to hear that LDS living has tackled this question should we still call a former Bishop Bishop.

Geoff:
[26:35] Oh there are mixed opinions on this.

Kurt:
[26:37] That’s right now speaking myself as a former Bishop I’ll have you know that I go to church every Sunday and not one person calls me Bishop.

Geoff:
[26:46] But is that because you moved since you were Bishop in your difference taking nobody knows you.

Kurt:
[26:51] I mean shouldn’t there be some type of General announcement Jeff when I move into a ward to notify everybody to call me Bishop I mean.

Geoff:
[26:59] I have actually learned that my Bishop quick tangent wanted to know if we can put together spreadsheet like people’s previous callings so we can get a better idea who’s doing what and what does exist,
like it’s not there,
the church doesn’t track that but I have some little birdies have told me they said well the church does track that stuff they just don’t make it available for anybody else so don’t worry there is a record of you being a bishop somewhere that’s.

Kurt:
[27:26] Now I’m being facetious obviously but I this this record or this,
article talks about how you know the old saying once of Bishop always a bishop because it is an ordained office and so if I ever have the opportunity to serve as Bishop again they will not ordained me as a bishop they were just sitting in the park has a bishop.

Geoff:
[27:45] Explain this to me though you were dead to the office of Bishop explain to her listeners though why if you were look at your records presumably though it says high priest why is this a bishop cuz your office is a bishop why didn’t say you are a bit.

Kurt:
[27:58] I don’t know Jeff because I guess it’s sort of a I I I hold two offices at once when I’m a bishop and a,
I don’t know these the answers to these questions Jeff but it is what it is it’s just that’s why I kind of feels more traditional than than anything right,
but yet so that this article concludes that yes it is appropriate to call a to refer to former Bishop as Bishop when we do however it would be wise for us to remember the person who has been newly called is Bishop is the person who now,
holds the keys in the ward now I’d sort of speak.

[28:39] I’d speak lightly on this issue just because I kind of think it’s silly cuz like I said I’m in an award and
this Dynamic is interesting in our culture cuz I’ve moved a couple times last few years and you move into a Ward and of course it’s not like I’m wearing it on my sleeve like oh yes I’ve been a bishop and in a stake presidency just so you know that I’m,
I’ve been you know honored with such privilege but but asserted this thing that then somebody finds out or maybe,
do you know gets gets around people come in while you’ve been a bishop and then it’s just weird just weird in general but so to me I’m just like when they get released let’s just move on like I get the ones of Bishop always a bishop but,
it’s sort of relieving when I was released sometimes people just came up and called me Kurt and I just I just appreciated that but then it just sort of overflows into other callings like President like,
when I go back to my old State people still call me president frankum or my my father was a mistake pregnancy long ago sometimes gets forward to his present prank him like we just sort of think that that’s what we do with all these calling what you reach that,
ranker advancement that we should have turned into this achievement that you’ve done and therefore you get you get rewarded with this title for the rest of your days.

Geoff:
[29:58] Yeah it’s a gift.

Kurt:
[30:00] That’s right.

Geoff:
[30:01] But now what now you say Bishop but the other funny thing is the cultural stuff we do with someone who’s been a stake president,
we also refer to that individuals president Stone so that’s why I think it’s slightly different I think the only argument for Bishop has it as an office which I guess but it’s not we walk around and say oh honorific Elder so-and-so hello Deacon Matthews.

Kurt:
[30:21] Now here’s another interesting interesting thing about titles is that you think about the the patriarch in your stake patriarch actually isn’t a title right you wouldn’t say patriarch openshaw you would just say brother openshaw who is RP truck.

Geoff:
[30:35] And the church did Issue a very clear I think release about a few years ago I remember that they said do not call patriarch patriarch so and so.

Kurt:
[30:42] I might be in the handbook somewhere as well.

Geoff:
[30:44] I think I might be but my point was stick present though people called him that that’s not an office Prince stick president is not an office in the priesthood there’s no like standing for it.

Kurt:
[30:53] Yes it’s a colony.

Geoff:
[30:54] And I think in that sense it’s inappropriate especially because it’s not like we for one I personally dislike that women were called the points of position or points of leadership,
are sometimes by some circles referred to as president,
all the times are not and I can tell like more officially there does not personally. Bucks me cuz I don’t feel like the title of President is gender specific and anyway I understand the bishop argument is different I get a priest it off if that’s fine,
if you are the president of a class or anyting,
and people call you like you know like call the president or I love you both to call you really Society president president so and so and also whenever she is released continue to refer to her as president.

Kurt:
[31:43] And I definitely think the the momentum of our cultures headed that way I think in 10 years of be very common for us to refer to the Relief Society president as president at least at least while they’re serving at calling right.

Geoff:
[31:57] Likewise make sure to call the presence of your various priesthood Quorum president make that teacher feel awkward when you’re always say like high president Nelson you like that’s the other guy that’s not me.

Kurt:
[32:09] Do you have a present Nelson in you.

Geoff:
[32:10] No I don’t think we do have to talk to my head.

Kurt:
[32:12] Are there out the Mike my brother his estate present his counselor is President I think it’s Nielsen but.

Geoff:
[32:19] I thought the same thing when I was in Elders Quorum president I demanded people refer to me as president openshaw I demanded it.

Kurt:
[32:25] May I mean that the the customized name badges that you would wear around on Sundays sorta gave that.

Geoff:
[32:33] No but on the flip side that I didn’t care as much but I love that my Bishop of the time would walk the chapel before sacrament meeting and he just introduced himself as Jeff he didn’t do anything he was not fussy.
he wouldn’t I just love that about him he was so low-key about it this wasn’t trying to
you know do is title or anything like that real quick while we’ve been looking at this article I’m adding a new one into our list because it took two people to write this one Lindsey Miller and Danielle B Wagner over LDS living have also written,
what has the church said about beards.

Kurt:
[33:08] Where did you just find this one or.

Geoff:
[33:10] Yeah I was on it was on trending that buy this one because you know LDS living stop trending is the bishop one number two is what the Churchill said about beers this is release about a week ago little less than a week ago.

Kurt:
[33:20] The date says November 2018.

Geoff:
[33:23] Does Lisa a year ago and a week ago,
I take it back we probably didn’t talk about it I don’t know if you did or not the point is I say very little about the church is actually said they have a quote from prison Oaks in 40 years ago that he says a beard has put a mark of indifference toward the best in life so take that one to the bank quotes Elder Oaks doubters.

Kurt:
[33:42] Oh that’s rich.

Geoff:
[33:44] I would like to make a quick Point here they say president Oaks set in 1971 and no Elder Oaks set it is important when we cite references for when it was said you either say then elder or appropriate identify that he was not present ochs when he made the remarks,
come on Daniel Wagner and Lindsay Miller,
anyway and then they say where the church is actually said and they quote something from the 1993 and sign there is so there’s nothing here people,
is the best you can do as a 25 year old quote from the president of the Washington DC Temple,
you got nothing grow your beards and petition for BYU to let you do the same get kicked out it’ll be great now,
which I talked about this week my goodness.

Kurt:
[34:27] Are you up Jeff is it your turn here I mean that beer going away.

Geoff:
[34:29] I confided in you can do it.

Kurt:
[34:34] There there’s a article and it’s getting I’ve seen a shared multiple times in various places that written by the church news and it’s loading now,
Kenny Walker more specifically was what is a Bishop’s number one responsibility and how can members help here’s what church leaders say so,
I think it was it’s a good follow-up clarification piece cuz I’ve seen a lot of memes out there sort of joking about how I thought
I thought we knew what was happening until Elder cook started talking and then he showed diagrams now we’re all confused like
what’s going on I think a lot of people can easily interpret the new adjustment as hell looks like we’re putting a lot more on the bishop but in reality they’re just,
formalizing doctor and it was already there and it almost makes you wonder like I don’t know the history of the young men program and you know when the human pregnancy,
was putting the place but I can almost see it that back then people saw that the Bishops were being overloaded and,
and so they needed you know some relief and so they thought well why don’t you put it at young men’s presidency in there to help take that,
aaronic priesthood burn off that the bishop but then we sort of got lost in that formality and now we’re going back to steal it is the Bishops responsibility and he can call people to help with that.

[35:54] If you look at the diagram it does look like woah looks like the bishop is I got a lot more on this plane I’ve heard many people say that that,
looks like the Bishops are getting busier when in reality that’s not the case they’re just helping refocus the Bishops priorities and where you should focus and,
this is going to require The Bishop’s a know a lot more right so.

Geoff:
[36:15] What’s the number one job to come on what is number one I think now it’s you that’s what I’m feeling to.

Kurt:
[36:23] Yeah using temporal matters right to,
Dean, judge fast offerings finances to prefers an interesting thing might this past Sunday was called as the young men secretary a week before conference,
what I am but I’m just so you know,
I’m just there in young men’s realizing they put me to work somewhere officially so I’m contributing where I can get my Bishop to the great lesson this past Sunday about interviews and what you should expect from interviews and,
you know how that process goes if they need to set an appointment what that’s like and I plug my Bishop you did a great job but you know I’m sure there’s a lot of talk around if someone needs to confess something to the bishop,
you know what that process looks looks like and I feel like in our culture we have,
stigmatized as is the right word but we sort of altered or misunderstood,
The Bishop’s role as far as it comes to the repentance process where we feel like it would be inappropriate,
for let’s say a young man whose may be struggling with pornography that it would be inappropriate for him to mention that to his young men’s leader or his visor or even his his
the first assistant in the priest Quorum right when in reality,
so do we have this unwritten law that is formed that it’s inappropriate to mention any of our sins to other people and therefore we overburdened the bishop with.

[37:49] All these appointments I can’t tell us to anybody likes you even I’ve heard of instances where people like stopping individual from Talking say no no no don’t tell me anymore,
because you must tell this to the bishop as if they can’t talk about this any.

Geoff:
[38:01] And that’s so dumb don’t do that just listen to them and say okay well I think it would be good for you talk to Bishop and work.

Kurt:
[38:07] There’s nothing wrong with one friend to another friend or One Mentor to another letna Mentor if the person is opening up especially the youth,
you know just listen to him and obviously to formalize that repentance process yeah it does need to go through the bishop at some point it’s so that’s one thought that came to me that we sort of,
we we sort of overly formalized that process to the point that we feel like we can’t mention,
one way that we can lighten the burden is be more vulnerable and open in are corms in and talk about these things right.

Geoff:
[38:40] A mentor.

Kurt:
[38:42] And there was another line I want to mention as far as ministers,
someone mentioned this idea I’ll find the quote here in a minute but this is idea of said I know often times we,
we go into it you know where the ministering brothers or sisters of of a family and we asked the well-known question of well is there anything that we can do for you,
and they say now we’re doing just fine and it didn’t deserted address this like no we need to be open to allowing our ministry brothers and sisters to help them right but I guess I just,
and I’ve heard a lot of ministry brother and sisters get like frustrated with this Dynamic like man I want to serve my family’s I want to do something but they just tell me they don’t need anything,
but I think about about my scenario like I have,
three siblings that live within 20 minutes drive for me my parents who live 15 minutes away like if I am in need of something like,
series like I’m more likely just going to reach out to one of my family members and I think that’s the way I think that’s the pattern that we’re supposed to fall in there by the time it gets to my,
Homer my,
no minastrin brothers or sisters they’re just that I don’t have any finishing sisters for the record but there’s just nothing there to go from there,
I’d like I kind of feel like we’re trying to force this program to work when sometimes or just relaxing others maybe nothing to help other than be their friend.

Geoff:
[40:10] Oh boy doesn’t sound like a small trying to force a program to work,
I would like to interrupt this with something unrelated but they will interest you Kurt based on our previous discussion about The Simpsons on Disney Plus people are getting upset,
because apparently Disney plus is cropping the actual picture of The Simpsons old Simpsons episodes are in a 4-3 like more Square aspect ratio you know like old TV,
they’re cropping it to make it fit widescreen and in so doing it’s cropping out some of the visual jokes so they’re cropping out jokes,
from the show you should be mad about this I don’t know if you can see this Kurt here’s an original,
see how its funniest shows Duff beer going to three different bats for like light regular and and dry but it all comes from one putt 1/2,
Disney Plus.

Kurt:
[41:00] Oh my goodness the humor is Ben is Ben sacrifice.

Geoff:
[41:02] The feeder pipe that’s all so I don’t think you should subscribe you’ll just get mad and yell at the TV and upset your child.

Kurt:
[41:08] I changed my mind I’m sticking with Living Scriptures.

Geoff:
[41:11] All right so quick mention to you or they’ve announced the location of the second temple the Washington County Temple II st. George temple whatever you want to call it it’s officially at this point known as the Washington County Utah Temple,
which was pause for a moment and recognize that’s a dumb name for a temple and I need to think of a better one.

Kurt:
[41:28] I noticed that you started gave a few paragraphs to the naming of the step.

Geoff:
[41:32] It’s just week and also I feel like it’s not fair because,
don’t like it so other temples are in kind of like the same metro area I was in the Salt Lake Valley is a bit different you know but where they’re looking in the temple. Far from the st. George temple has a developing area it’s bigger but it’s not,
you know 1 million people metropolitan area in the temple is pretty much just going to do East a little bit south of the rest of Saint George,
so I don’t love the name it seems to generic to me and also the fact that they’re calling this like the temple for the like this the county Temple like what is Saint George,
you know and I I like him this to my growing up where you had the Los Angeles Dodgers and the California Angels is if my team represented the whole state so I just think we could just do better and give it I don’t know what you name it it’s relevant to the area cuz they’re just going to.

Kurt:
[42:23] Light use Venture like Dixie Temple Riders.

Geoff:
[42:25] The Dixie Utah temple why not call it that that’s adorable the laverkin Utah temple why not call it that there Hurricane Utah Temple,
I honestly think the best name for the step would be the Virgin River Utah Temple but I don’t I think the church should be slow to adopt virgin anything and it’s naming convention.

Kurt:
[42:46] Yeah I don’t think anybody have the guts to bring that up in the in that meeting.

Geoff:
[42:49] But I legitimately think that’s like the best and I think that’s a sensible name for the represents a region pretty well Raleigh speaking.

Kurt:
[42:54] In the namings of the things that church does you know what I was going to say princey we were going through a boundary of the change and so we had to rename.

Geoff:
[43:04] Did you get to did you get to do it did you get to like renewed of yourself or did Salt Lake to.

Kurt:
[43:09] Well I had left this the princes by the time they got two names but yeah they did have to come with names in the church requires that you have to tie to some type of of landmark or named can,
Googled in your area so if there is a in an local park with a certain name then you can name the Lincoln Park Ward or something right after.

Geoff:
[43:31] After the band of course.

Kurt:
[43:32] Did the part but you can’t where do the ward that I was Bishop I was named Ali board it was graded like 67 years ago and it was named after president Lee which is kind of cool right but there’s no when we rename that we couldn’t,
we couldn’t continue with that name or if we were going to rename it had to be something Geographic so I think that kind of limits it but.

Geoff:
[43:56] The unnerving part of the process but it seems very interesting I mean where I live it’s just the area where we live and it’s the first Ward we’ve got we’ve so far. Is that hole that seen the church shift this whole thing of getting rid of first second third Ward’s and,
if that’s some cutesy name or whatever we haven’t totally hit that out here it’ll come at some point but for now,
we’re just happy to be here we are another real quick mention here not a lot to talk about but I appreciated the comments on the the Wikipedia entry Utah Mormon English and Kurt as you are from hell you can tell us,
all the wonders of the map on Wikipedia alone is great I don’t know how it’s just shows like counties in the US that are darker red based on I don’t know how the density of speaking said language,
Miss look I think it’s just a map of the concentration of members of the church based on Census Data that’s my guess Per County,
but I love it there’s an article about Utah Mormon English and the peculiarities,
that are very much our own within our people obviously prefer me that the couple of towels,
of course the famous you don’t measure treasure that kind of thing I think that’s going out of it with the older generation I don’t know a lot of younger people whose pronounce things that way still from Utah. But when you do hear a lot of is a weird pronunciation of words
that have an i as the first vowel like milk.

Kurt:
[45:16] Melk right yeah I know we up pillow and a we like to sacrifice Artis like Hunter you know in Layton.

Geoff:
[45:26] Mountain Mount Layton Aldi’s Gallatin,
David said Utah’s very popular about the card cord merger which is a merger early modern English it’s found in some Caribbean accent as well as Westerville anyways I guess the point.

Kurt:
[45:42] What is this card record like.

Geoff:
[45:44] I believe it makes you kind of mercy of those sorts of sound you like my card and cord what’s on the same barn and born far and Far.

Kurt:
[45:51] Yeah if you go to the central Utah it’s a little bit more prominent.

Geoff:
[45:57] The comments though thank you everyone on our Facebook page I did not think sharing this article would drive so much hilarious commentary,
also in the article that said that more recently recently the influx of Californians to Utah is affecting speech patterns in Salt Lake City and elsewhere along the Wasatch Front,
I’m hoping that means because we are helping you speak better bra you know,
tacos are my bills are my contributions current you can give us some real news now if you’re interested.

Kurt:
[46:33] Yeah I did you know Russia is locking up Jehovah Witnesses.

Geoff:
[46:36] Doesn’t surprise me.

Kurt:
[46:37] A Russian court has sentenced a man to six years in prison is crying being a practicing Jehovah’s Witness.

Geoff:
[46:43] That’s it huh.

Kurt:
[46:45] I mean,
he goes to the history of this that I think it I think I mentioned it one time Putin claimed of course you would not like anybody up for practicing their religion but that obviously is the direction the law is taking people so,
hopefully Russia is there stuff figured out.

Geoff:
[47:06] This is a feather arm or Jehovah’s Witnesses the Latter Day Saints in Russia that believe and,
it’s affects us as well I’ve heard of any arrest been naturally you know the missionaries are there called volunteers and they can’t wear tags and there was all kinds of restrictions if you go on a mission to Russia.

Kurt:
[47:22] I wonder what the age of his witness efforts look like I mean obviously we like we mentioned earlier there’s a lot more bureaucracy and organization to keep our noses clean when it comes to this.

Geoff:
[47:34] Pretty organized though the j-dub.

Kurt:
[47:37] But you think they’re like I mean communicating with government officials enough to make sure they’re in the Empanada /

Geoff:
[47:44] I would hope so I don’t know how Savvy their media relations wings are the government relations wings I mean I know we try to be pretty,
pretty quick with that kind of stuff I don’t know what they do on that what I do know is hopefully the Russian government has not stymied the flow,
of wonderful Publications it inevitably show illustrations of people at a park,
enjoy some kind of a meal someone’s playing guitar a watermelon is usually depicted for some reason it always watermelon.

Kurt:
[48:10] Referring to the Watchtower.

Geoff:
[48:11] Yeah just in general I think Jehovah’s Witness literature is awesome I and one of my.

Kurt:
[48:15] Their stock are is top-notch.

Geoff:
[48:17] And one of my mission areas there was a Kingdom Hall and we get a little bit depressed every Sunday we could go out the two of us and then like I like this this massive flutter,
of 30 pairs of Jehovah’s Witnesses Woodstream out of the Kingdom Hall ready to take to the streets and we’re like we know the truth we know the truth we have to
we developed actually a nice relationship with the guy I forgot the name but if they’re equivalent to their Bishop in their congregation there which is actually kind of a nice bit of ecumenism we were actually
working on inter-religious relationships there and he was a very nice guy who gives a lot of literature is what I’m getting at and so we kept a number we basically had a copy of their version of gospel principles and I forgot the name of the publication,
it was fascinating we kept it on the toilet and it was the it was,
it was so interesting to get something like that because a lot of astatine the Watchtower but to have something that’s worth a try to compress all the key doctor in the tenants of their face,
and the one book was very very very very interesting so if anyone ever wants to do.

Kurt:
[49:20] Check eBay you can pray find a copy of.

Geoff:
[49:22] Did the price go to Kingdom Hall Matthew Kong go to letter you may not know who Matthew Kong is with the last name might ring a bell.

Kurt:
[49:31] You took a guess yeah.

Geoff:
[49:32] He is the son of one Gerrit W gong a member of the Quorum of The Twelve Apostles and Matthew Kong is interesting because he is gay
and as far as to where he is the only
queers he said I don’t think there are many people who are openly queer and whose dad is now one of the highest positions of authority in the Church Avenue have Elder christofferson who’s brother is gay,
so we learned a lot about that but I don’t think any of the other 12 have a gay son or daughter that we are aware of so he wrote a post held happy birthday to me and it’s it’s pretty long,
but he talked a lot about his experience coming out to his parents trying to find a place for himself in the church,
the big guns plugging it it’s it’s worth a read so I think it’s pretty interesting.

Kurt:
[50:16] I really enjoyed it and that was.

Geoff:
[50:17] To get that perspective on things he’s not he’s not tearing apart the church I died not sure that he sees exactly where he’s supposed to be within the church,
Hello Kitty says I wish.

[50:28] Like yours has the church has a complicated subject in my head the church has three distinct entities and I agree with some of this the organization the religion of the culture of the organization isn’t Body by the institutional hierarchy,
the general authorities the first presidency and the Quorum of the twelve,
the religion is the collection of beliefs dog was in practices that comprise worship and daily living of Latter-day Saints the culture is dictated by the local congregation that is often the lens through which the organization is filtered that final sentence I believe is
the root of many issues that we wind up having in the church. The culture defines too much stuff I already said sometimes I wish I wasn’t immoderate it would be easier if I could speak in absolutes.

[51:06] About things which is I think that’s a healthy perspective though you know it’s Tuesday to wanted to trash the church could you disagree with it or too easy to,
so you don’t fall in line follow the prophet have faith I like that he is trying to think through,
all of these issues and of course you know he understands that there are differences in the church there are West Coast Mormons there are Utah Mormon there international Mormons and it is silly to assume we’re completely we’re one in faith,
we are we have distinct regionalisms within the church cuz I can’t I can’t imagine what’s been like going through what he’s experienced especially that he talks about like,
when he found out his dad was going to the 12 and I’ll have people call him in there like dude are you okay like how is this for you I mean when you’ve got a religion the tattoo complicated relationship with lgbtq issues,
and then hear your dad is up there in public to know Towing the company line so to speak that’s that’s got to be tough.

Kurt:
[52:02] Yeah I think you mentioned just that he he worried that this would put kind of put his
his personal situation in the spotlight right as the the gay son of an apostle but I just appreciate his Candor of it all just started talking it through and how he’s found some happiness in the in a relationship and
and I appreciate these again not that I I want nor should I,
encourage that they put their personal lives and relationships out there in the open but I just appreciate that you know family and apostles experiencing a real life you know,
experience I know it’s redundant I know but you know just like they’re human you know they they deal with these things just like the rest of us.

Geoff:
[52:43] Yes lot to think about for that post Brave of him to write it and I’m actually kind of glad I saw Gore on Facebook a bit but it didn’t seem like,
like blogs picked up on it wrote Think pieces about it and kind of further capitalized on his candor,
all right. What else do you want we want to do everything this week what do you want to plug.

Kurt:
[53:05] Well I do want to mention Jeff that there is an actual Lincoln Park ward in in Port Angeles Washington steak so I was just making that up.

Geoff:
[53:13] Is it spelled like that’s not spelled like Linkin Park right.

Kurt:
[53:17] I’m just not like Linkin Park not the band right but anyways,
what else we got you just want to give a shout out to Jeff
borders right that’s a damn Jeff like our good old buddy pal Jeff Waters yet there’s some great content you wrote an article on this week in Mormons called
the convert files do I make a difference in my calling and a Jeff buddy listen,
this should have been published on leading saints.org I’m just saying this is more of a leadership and calling article but I’m glad it got out.

Geoff:
[53:51] Kurt is like the Disney of LDS organizations he just suck and everyone up controlling everything in ruining Arts.

Kurt:
[53:57] That’s right I’m soon going to buy out this week in Mormons in and add it to my streaming so.

Geoff:
[54:03] And you’re willing to do it for our intellectual property you have no interest in the brand.

Kurt:
[54:06] That’s right soon it’ll be this week in Mormons and nobody will ever be able to recall a time where Jeff openshaw was running things.

Geoff:
[54:15] I’m going to do to Quick mentioned and then I want to mail do three missions One Elder rasband went on the record slamming the adoption ring that was run the Arizona by Latter Day Saints involving some Latter-Day Saints I believe they call it despicable
import you don’t usually get that kind of language from a from a general Authority about something let me try quote on correct I think it was Despicable but I just want to make sure I don’t die,
this artwork just as disgusted with it as anybody the details of this case are sickening there also plan to review,
this isn’t he said there are plans to review Peterson the man for the Maricopa County Assessor involved
Paul Peterson there plans to review Peterson’s membership after his criminal case is resolved the fact that he’s Latter-Day Saint does not exonerate him what’s interesting about that,
is I thought the the council is no longer disciplinary Council allegedly referred about that too,
those are supposed to be run at the local level this is an apostle I’m basically just straight up saying this is going to be looked into one as far as we know is that not supposed to happen at that level,
I thought this only happened from local leadership that is very.

Kurt:
[55:25] I’m sure there’s some encouragement.

Geoff:
[55:27] That’s,
interesting to me also like the world machines are dropping around you if your new talk or she will see them but you’re also going to find them in Manila in the Philippines Las Vegas Gilbert Arizona,
Denver Colorado San Jose New York New York
and London England why they continue to refuse to put one up in the Washington DC region is beyond me because we could use some beloved cheer and do good around here,
and I don’t know why they don’t end last night I was throwing out the door,
wrote a great little Facebook piece about Unity because it’s been 30 years since the Berlin Wall fell and the man keeps a piece of the Berlin Wall on his desk desk next to a picture of Christ that’s how important it is to him obviously he was born in,
you know he’s he understood Eastern all this stuff is a big part of his life and so the unification of Germany was a huge deal and then he pivoted and talked about how.

[56:18] Do we put up walls in our relationships do we need to tear them down bullying to that will embed actually with this put this stuff episode before we go,
I just want to give a shout out to a handful of our listeners real quick last week Jared and I had a bit of discussion about
some ceiling rooms and things in a couple of temples especially we were talking about which temples had ceiling rooms off of the celestial room and we got a lot of responses Intelius,
set the record straight just help us understand a couple of things I’m so a couple shoutouts thank you to build Alexandra Williams for letting us know that there is indeed he’s explained to be Celestial room off of car that Cardston doesn’t have a,
soothing room right on it but there’s like a heavy curtain across a hallway in there are,
sealing rooms so I thought that was very interesting he also had some thoughts about our discussion from last week if you didn’t hear it about LDS and aligned schools,
and how weird it was to be involved in one at be as a Canadian,
which I can imagine that must be very very awkward and also we have another listen to write in whose e-mail I seem to have misplaced I cannot see it right now for some reason my inbox ceiling rooms.

[57:37] In Celestial rooms Corey Ward The Love listener,
who are in a collects pictures of the interior of temples as a hobby I love people’s hobbies in this world what a wonderful thing to do and he went on to explain the various temples that have ceiling rooms off of this leftover,
so St George has two ceiling rooms from the celestial room,
Logan Temple like we had them prior to its 1970s renovation which made the temple very special on the inside rooms in between the holy of holies,
when was originally for the living and the other for the Dead but he’s pretty sure they stop being used at all after they go to ceiling rooms be a tax which is probably true,
the Mesa Temple did have a ceiling room off of the celestial room at one point Idaho Falls is when we’ve learned from a handful of comments and it does have ceiling rooms,
there’s two small ceiling rooms from the slushy room and the Los Angeles Temple as we talked about,
AB last week vs they have a couple of sleeping rooms up to the Celeste room and scattered all over the place,
so I want to give a shout out to our listeners for writing and thanks for the clarification.

Kurt:
[58:47] I think you mentioned something is listening and he said something about like you kind of feel weird when you start like roaming the temple right,
and I know you can you know the Salt Lake Temple people don’t don’t like that but I was
we were the Idaho Falls temple my wife and I just a few weeks ago at the temple where we were sealed in and we were walking out a home we thought we are at the room where we got sealed in is just up those stairs you know it’s just go take a look at it but yeah we still have that feeling like if we get caught you’re going to be drugged out of here in handcuffs or something but,
my mother-in-law who works at the temple said they actually make it a point to tell Temple workers that it is completely appropriate for people to to Rome the temple and to you know they don’t have to be going somewhere you know,
directly or any.

Geoff:
[59:31] Do you think that is a like a temple president policy versus a church policy.

Kurt:
[59:35] Quite possibly
what time is it what’s I remember one time is it at stake presidency we wanted to spend some time and have a brief meeting after a session of the Temple and so we just found a random one of those really small meeting rooms I have his hands full of tears and we just went in there sat and said I had a prison scene meeting
but we saw it we kind of felt the whole time like I think we’re if we get found out we’re out of here,
I wish they would maybe make that more available because obviously is not appropriate in the celestial room that you don’t have a presidency meeting but still it was nice to the.

Geoff:
[1:00:07] I had some I had some experiences like that too I was there was one time I was in the LA Temple for something I think I’ve never seen Ellie Temple has one of the largest Emily Hollis on the top floor like like a handful of temples,
a temple worker like all you ever seen his ex got there go to the go to for check it out okay so I just took an elevator up there by myself,
like I said about the LA Temple there’s this this floor that has got this giant assembly all you know the classic thing with the the pulpits on either end and all that stuff,
and there’s a couple of scattered ceiling rooms also on that floor to the same duct all over the place.

Kurt:
[1:00:42] Have ginormous build.

Geoff:
[1:00:43] A temple it’s there that’s why I think it’s funny you said the people in Salt Lake don’t like you wandering around the kind of cracked me up but the Manti Temple I don’t know if you can fully wander but they are very proud of their cool Heritage there,
and there if you actually ask co-worker to like show you some of the historical things in the temple the old,
delighted to show you the staircase that was its architectural interesting because of the way it’s built that the each step supports the load of the one above it so the support system is unique the way it’s designed they’ll show you remember saying there’s some kind of a secretary like a desk,
it was a historical significance,
alright then I don’t recall this week everybody yeah it’s over man.

Kurt:
[1:01:23] Are we done Jeff we we made it it’s always a pleasure.

Geoff:
[1:01:28] Thanks buddy I hope you’re leading Safe Life goes well it ready to go see Colonel tell you a joke see plays music.

Kurt:
[1:01:34] That’s right I’ll tap dance and juggle chainsaws at the same.

Geoff:
[1:01:37] 4fun will you talk to the audience and do any dry you funny type illustrations is like part of the.

Kurt:
[1:01:42] You know I thought about maybe I can raffle off a caricature you know and draw some people but know that I probably will not happen but you can fall my characters that draw you funny or at dry you funny on Instagram so.

Geoff:
[1:01:55] Does Good Times make it look without this weekend we’ll check in with you soon if I don’t talk to you before Thanksgiving have a good Thanksgiving in the states.

Kurt:
[1:02:03] Well thank you same to you.

Geoff:
[1:02:04] Everybody appreciate you doing it and taking all the time to do so in for your constant,
Vigilant love this program we can’t do it without you so thank you for that and thank you Kurt again we hope you have a great week I’m just that was hurt this is this week in Mormons be well be holy and be happy.