We’ve got a smattering of a news, a veritable cornucopia of information for you to digest as it relates to Latter-day Saints. Plus, TWiM founder and all-around wonderful human, Al Doan, is back in the hot seat along with Geoff.

There’s a new white handbook for missionaries. To be clear, this is not a replacement of Preach My Gospel, which is more of a missionary manual. The white handbook, which now has a faded image of Christ on the front (how Catholic of us, having Jesus near our hearts!) contains rules and regulations, as well as best practices for missionaries. It was last updated in 2010.

In other missionary news, North American (i.e. American and Canadian) missionaries were pulled from the Bolivia Cochabamba Mission last week following weeks of civil unrest due to disputed elections in the Andean republic. No missionaries have been harmed, but given the history of violence against Latter-day Saint missionaries in Bolivia, it’s understandable that the Church is being cautious.

The final details have been revealed for the much-hyped Children and Youth program, following a “Face-to-Face” event with Elder Gerrit W. Gong and organizational leaders. Goals will be made! Pendants will be worn! Rings will be placed upon fingers! Mutual will cease to be fun (per Al)! Additionally, a few outlets have wondered why the Young Men’s theme does not gel with that of the Young Women when it comes to recognizing Heavenly Mother.

Also, there’s this amazing post by Elder Gong:

You can follow the new Children and Youth program at Strivetobe.

Lots has been happening in Southeast Asia this week! President Nelson is on a tour of the region at present. First, he stopped in Vietnam, a country that recently granted the Church a certificate of operation of sorts only last week. Next, he was off to Cambodia, where he revealed the amazing design of the Phnom Penh Cambodia Temple.

In crucial Latter-day Saint news, we’ve all learned that the Real Housewives franchise is coming to Salt Lake City. How many ministering assignments will be ruined? How many releases will be extended? How many overly pious women will make Latter-day Saints look like close-minded fools, and how many media outlets will be more than happy to run with that story? It’s going to be interesting. Farewell, “Mormon Moment.”

According to an article at the Exponent II, motherhood may be bad for your health. Well, yes. Motherhood is not easy. Perhaps the Church glamorizes motherhood to such a degree that we overlook how physically taxing the entire experience is from womb to adulthood. This is a sensitive topic for many, and we handle it as two thirtysomething men would be expected to do.

Al is in love with this new video from the BYU Men’s Chorus, wherein they try their hand at modern dance and do something similar to the Nazi salute. The song is actually lovely!

President Eyring met with Maryland Governor Larry Hogan last week. They did the usual: thanks and warmth, a presentation of genealogy, discussions on whether Hogan should challenge Trump in a primary, the DC Temple. One of those things isn’t true.

Geoff found the news of the century when he posted about a hymn where we commonly sing the notes incorrectly based on how they are written. For some reason, Al is either unable or unwilling to catch the vision!

In random news: the First Presidency meets with the head of a Saudi-fronted Wahhabi organization, some weird Newsroom article says the “Title of Liberty” was raised in three Central American countries when nothing of the sort actually happened, the 2019 Light the World effort is underway, the Arequipa Peru Temple open house is a go!

Transcript

Geoff:
[0:00] Hello earthlings those of you have chosen to keep your first estate welcome to this week in Mormons another I don’t think I’ve ever done it I’ve never done that kind of a welcome before.

Al:
[0:11] That is that’s delightful.

Geoff:
[0:12] All of you who chose not to follow Satan welcome to this program that reflects your choices I am Jeff openshaw.

Al:
[0:19] If you’ve got a body you’re doing all right.

Geoff:
[0:22] That wonderful voice for long time listener as you might recognize him but if but if you don’t cuz your newer here why don’t you introduce yourself Al.

Al:
[0:32] If you don’t you don’t deserve to know who you’re listening to this is Alden founder I was before Jeff was like I think I had the idea if I’m not.

Geoff:
[0:43] We had the idea out.

Al:
[0:45] Together at the same time I believe I called you the Jeff what if we did this thing what if.

Geoff:
[0:49] I will Regale them.

Al:
[0:52] Your Wagon to this train.

Geoff:
[0:53] What we did you did say Jeff we should do a podcast together but we had not to find the genre or or structure,
and as far as we’ve told the story before on the are you and I took a road trip up to the Bay area and we hung out with Leo Laporte The Tech Guy while he was doing his show.

Al:
[1:14] That was so fun man in Petal pencil.

Geoff:
[1:14] Up there in Petaluma and we use this trip driving around to brainstorm a show and that is what I miss what we came up with.

Al:
[1:25] Yeah that’s right that’s always.

Geoff:
[1:28] That is what happened that is what happened.

Al:
[1:31] But I believe as we were brainstorming I was one that said what if we did what if we called it News podcast.

Geoff:
[1:39] I wish that were true but I’m pretty sure that recording only came into our midst and what like 2014 or something like that I don’t know.

Al:
[1:48] The best fiber I ever spent man.

Geoff:
[1:50] It does I still use we still use many of those.

Al:
[1:54] You should try every ever down there for Jeff’s birthday I was just go on and spend 30 bucks and get like 3 custom songs sung for the podcast.

Geoff:
[2:05] Well you didn’t do it for my birthday this year cuz you didn’t even call me didn’t even know it was my birthday this year this is what we become.

Al:
[2:11] That seems right that sounds like me I’m sorry but also I make no apologies so I guess I am.

Geoff:
[2:18] There’s no excuse our birthday is on the same dates in a different month but we have the same number date of a birthday.

Al:
[2:25] It’s all right you’re October 8th.

Geoff:
[2:27] Not in October but just.

Al:
[2:29] September.

Geoff:
[2:32] But we are both on the 8th yes.

Al:
[2:33] Are you the devil out.

Geoff:
[2:36] Thank you always forget that I’m exactly 11 months older than you.

Al:
[2:38] Yeah that seems right is right my gosh I’m so sorry to have to be fair to be fair,
do I tell you this one month after I got married we got married on hold on we got married March 28th,
April 22nd rolls around in like a babe,
you know what day it is just like Earth Day like. I was like no I can’t believe you don’t realize this but it’s been one month today just like this is the 22nd we got married on the 28th and it’s like,
let’s get used to how this goes because that’s pretty much my capacity to remember.

Geoff:
[3:21] You’re just lucky that you are professionally successful otherwise I don’t think she’d have much incentive to keep you around you are you are a provider for the family.

Al:
[3:27] No yeah she’s for sure she’s she’s only she’s only here for the money the money that pays for this this Missouri estate in the middle of no.

Geoff:
[3:37] I’m pretty sure your wife years ago when she was a little girl was hoping that her dream that she could live,
near the site of the butchering of Latter-day Saints in the 1800’s and and live on.

Al:
[3:51] She said every time she see a Blood Moon she’d say someday I’ll be back there I’ll be damned if I can just find that dude to take me to it.

Geoff:
[4:01] Do you remember all that when I was out there we went down to like Kingston which is the county seat of Caldwell County for you,
free bus in Caldwell County feature figures substantially in Mormon history and there was that guy playing you I don’t know what the festival itself was that we were attending but it was another had the Civil War reenactors.

Al:
[4:21] Oh yeah like Kingston days or.

Geoff:
[4:23] A tense and there was a guy who would like Ulysses S Grant we are cracking up cuz he kept talking about the blood in the urine like over and over again.

Al:
[4:30] We killed all them boys in the blood and urine.

Geoff:
[4:36] It just kept going it was it was my introduction to.

Al:
[4:39] Yeah he he he leaned on urine pretty heavily if I remember right.

Geoff:
[4:43] And that’s the name of this episode,
pretty heavily I write these down just in case well I’m.

Al:
[4:53] Geoff how have you been you’re living you’re living The Bachelor Life.

Geoff:
[4:57] I presently yes yes the the wife took the boys back home to California.

Al:
[5:02] You’ll be happy to know I’m still doing this fatherhood thing I’ve stayed in it.

Geoff:
[5:06] How is yeah your monster looks like you’re doing pretty well.

Al:
[5:08] For another week he’s he’s good he is enormous growing taller by the day.

Geoff:
[5:15] What are percentiles on the child of a 6-foot set.

Al:
[5:18] But he’s got the fattest head of any child ever says he’s in the hundredth percentile,
it’s weird it’s weird how much pride we take in how fat our children are how long they are zygo yeah yeah that’s a that’s a big baby you you got good genes.

Geoff:
[5:36] Will people love that, I mean it would be delicious irony if you had small kids I mean your wife is 6 ft tall and you.

Al:
[5:42] It is true I would really know what time it is I would love.

Geoff:
[5:46] Because you’re different your your your mom’s going to call but your lot of siblings that are pretty like North like you’re are normal height I mean you’re the aberration you’re the aberration of the group yes.

Al:
[5:53] I put a brother and I’m six foot seven but it would be hilarious to have a willow size child.

Geoff:
[5:59] Other go that far but.

Al:
[6:01] And he when he was little he would love it I think two until about eight grade and then he would just hate the rest of his life.

Geoff:
[6:10] Yeah when he starts wondering why he’s not getting bigger along with the other boys.

Al:
[6:14] But I would love it I mean could you imagine your dad right now being able to just pick you up and throw you on his shoulder talk to you in the air how great would that be delightful,
somebody just cradle you like a little baby I take it if I could meet at 12 foot man to pick me up as a 6 foot 7 man adjust cradle me,
I’d never leave.

Geoff:
[6:40] I would love to be cradled as well by anyone I’m very lonely I’ve been alone for a day and it’s just you know what do I do.

Al:
[6:48] If you’re out there.

Geoff:
[6:50] Hear it here this is actually is minor but you know the family is out of town it’s easy to say I’m not going to have enough no kids to worry about during the night.

Al:
[6:58] Yes.

Geoff:
[6:59] Nothing to do I work at home today because I had to I had to do some teleconference stuff that’s too hard to do on the work system so I just worked at home so I could do it on my own internet,
stop looking for this which means no 6 a.m. call time for me you know I can just kind of get up and instead today I woke up at 5 a.m. naturally for no good reason,
and I was very upset about this I remain upset about this,
my first day of Freedom that’s all I’m going to cut this part of the show cuz there’s no story there.

Al:
[7:31] Mysore today are our chickens laid.

Geoff:
[7:36] I’m literally mad that I just want to sleep until 7 that’s all I wanted to do that’s all I want.

Al:
[7:41] I’m sorry what did I say I meant to say I’m sorry Jeff I’m sorry you woke up so early.

Geoff:
[7:47] You never bring it up if you don’t try to pretend now it’s okay you’re fine.

Al:
[7:51] It’s been enough now that I’m married I’ve got a lot of empathy,
actually do I actually it’s on the rise I would say I’m great at it yet but but now that I have suffered fatherhood I’m like woah oh I’m sorry to every to every woman I ever
did I ever employed and they be like they be like I’m pregnant I’m having a baby and I’m like great was that take like 3 days 4 days when when are you back to work,
now I’m like oh my God.

Geoff:
[8:21] Yeah I know you’re going to get.

Al:
[8:21] Take a vacation please.

Geoff:
[8:23] That that is the upside you know like,
yeah I’ve had I have a female boss right now who also has two young boys and she’s very understanding of my,
and she doesn’t give me flak about anything if I need to take off for whatever it so that is an upside guess so you should be more empathetic how I’m glad you.

Al:
[8:44] No I I’m I’m empaths I’m empathetic King.

Geoff:
[8:47] Someday when I too am some sort of a mogul or own a company of some kind but I’ve yet to find the inspiration for what that’s going to be I think I’ll get there by the time I’m 75 or so that someday I will be in that position,
to make those.

Al:
[9:02] Geoff if you know your your ankle is going to be as a you’re going to have a rock band.

Geoff:
[9:07] That’s my goal and I was like 10 don’t want to be.

Al:
[9:12] I’m waiting for it to research you would love it if you would you would be I mean the touring would be hard for you cuz you’re kind of a homebody but you would love it.

Geoff:
[9:20] Oh no I’m not a homebody though.

Al:
[9:22] Don’t tell me about your last.

Geoff:
[9:24] I think I am a homebody I just don’t have a job like yours where I just travel around whenever I I want to but I have family obligations you know I’m not a homebody I would love I would love to I would love to be on the go all the time why not.

Al:
[9:39] Here’s a question why I’ve let us go solo on a cruise again.

Geoff:
[9:44] I’m sure they’d let us I don’t know how it happened it be about it but I’m sure they would have.

Al:
[9:49] I think that’s part and parcel if they are unhappy about it we aren’t going or not doing it but I wonder can two married men go on a cruise together.

Geoff:
[9:58] 100% and all this time we don’t even have to freak out there won’t be enough beds in the room like we did that on that other Cruise.

Al:
[10:06] Yeah I slept it a bunk bed it was not pretty anyway neither here.

Geoff:
[10:12] None of you have lived until for men go on a cruise.

Al:
[10:16] In one room.

Geoff:
[10:17] And you look and you just need to like full beds.

Al:
[10:19] 1 heart-shaped bed and a full down.

Geoff:
[10:22] Then we realized there was some options anyway yeah so this is been a funny week in Latter-Day Saint nude because going into even last weekend,
I was thinking I was like I’m not allowed to happen on the next week shows going to be but then.

Al:
[10:37] Real Housewives.

Geoff:
[10:37] Content has just just spilled out all over the place in the time since there’s all kind of stuff going on.

Al:
[10:44] Spent is spilt it spewed forth.

Geoff:
[10:47] My cup over.

Al:
[10:49] Lukewarm milk.

Geoff:
[10:50] I think that I guess the big story this week is the other finally talk more about Children and Youth the face-to-face event I don’t did you watch any of the salad attractive at all.

Al:
[11:03] No and I still need to do my training so I can work with kids but I know they like I followed up I followed up so they killed off scouting but they say you can still go camping so that’s.

Geoff:
[11:15] The camping is interesting so I guess I guess it and unfortunately they say the boys can go camping not even monthly I think it’s four to six times a year or something like that but they have not allocated additional camping fun for the for the young women it is,
girls campus till it so girls want to go camping more than that that is not a thing which is interesting like one of them,
I said they’re going to have the same budgets now.

Al:
[11:42] Wait I don’t understand that so you’re saying that the boys have a special budget for camping.

Geoff:
[11:47] I’m sorry boys get to Campmor and they said when they announced always change it back in conference that the budgets for the two organizations were going to be the same,
because for a long time the critique has been that the young men’s program has a much larger budget than your woman’s is specifically because of scouting,
and so if they are going to have the same budget why is it still.

Al:
[12:10] They’re only that they’re only going camping once a year or do you see this.

Geoff:
[12:14] I’ve read about this in various place.

Al:
[12:15] It is not in the in The Newsroom article.

Geoff:
[12:18] Oh really you have to dig deeper that my friend.

Al:
[12:22] Has Jana riess speculated.

Geoff:
[12:26] No the hell there’s been a little bit of that too and they’re still going to be the strength of Youth replacing used all those other conferences for efy.

Al:
[12:34] Replacing both efy and youth conference yes.

Geoff:
[12:36] Yes I’ll just think so I think they finally have been teasing out the the youth program.

Al:
[12:41] They said they they showed women rappelling in the video so I’m pretty sure that’s a foundational activity.

Geoff:
[12:47] That’s hardcore that is Hardcore Parkour right there.

Al:
[12:52] I don’t think that’s what the kids say.

Geoff:
[12:53] So I mean this is all well and good they’re going to have their program I guess the ideas the kids now get to make their own goals right and we’re not supposed to even metal much in that it’s to encourage them but they make their goals for the year and we just kind of,
what that mean.

Al:
[13:10] If you don’t you know it’s interesting because the church sort of gets to pick the role that they played when they were scouting it was like Mutual,
the activity that you go to weekly was much more of a social and like helping boys learn skills sort of sort of a role right,
and the church gets I mean they could go much more like it’s not about being active it’s about setting goals and,
and trying hard we’re going to teach you how to keep a journal you look good place or the softer skills more maybe there will be some salesmanship that can happen will practice selling cars.

[13:49] But but like I’m so curious to see where what angle is sort of pick to be the angle that the church is going to help boys and girls develop in,
because traditionally it’s been this very like it’s to help girls become ready for motherhood and boys to be ready for,
playing in the woods if they ever you know if they ever get lost in and you don’t have to live out the book Hatchet they can,
so they got that going for him but it but it’s funny because like if the church goes too far on the on the church stuff right if kids are going to church every Sunday,
are they coming back for Wednesday night to go and be told to feel the spirit more there’s a big part of it just feels like,
there’s a high chance of burn out right for a for a 13 year old kid words like man,
I don’t care that much about sitting and talking about Jesus I will I’m down for a week,
activity and then like in the middle I just want to play I want to play and hang out with other kids my age in like,
be around good kids that are going to help me be good like that’s the role that I want Mutual to play it like me me as a,
as a as a grown up now that’s what I wanted to be for my kids is like more the social but I’m really curious to see where what angle it ends up becoming.

Geoff:
[15:12] Exits I get where you going with that but maybe I’ll try to see if the other side of it perhaps president Nelson the brother and feel that that’s all well and good,
but the youth need to be more spiritually minded now than even they used to in the past and move to understand the dangers ahead of them but I guess I totally get it too,
the social element.

Al:
[15:34] When you were when you were 14 all you were going to Mutual for was to hang out with your buddies the lesson was literally the last thing on your mind and you would sit through it just so that you go play Afters.

Geoff:
[15:48] Aside from that lesson or not I mean half of what you were doing at that it was scouting specifics.

Al:
[15:54] Play basketball what they forgot to play the thing.

Geoff:
[15:56] Or you busy or you would like we’ve been at work on merit badges or do stuff which was more when I was younger and so that is true and that there was not always something so overly spiritual is just about.

Al:
[16:06] I like I like that there was sort of an expectation of being more well-rounded right like like our job on this planet is not just to be really good at quoting things about Jesus,
we have this we have this angle of like let’s become a well-rounded human let’s go do some more stuff and and if if the church makes like,
if they take two of your days a week,
they take your Wednesday night and your Sunday day and are just like know this is about scriptures and thinking about how to be good I mean I just don’t think that it’s going to Chi what they wanted.

Geoff:
[16:44] What we’ll see what happens.

Al:
[16:46] Where to wish 11-year lettuce Levin lettuce salt the Earth with our goodness don’t don’t hide us in a bushel that is mutual a carpeted cultural all on Wednesdays I feel very strongly.

Geoff:
[17:00] Now you mentioned Jenna Reese she did publish an article entitled Mormon girls now acknowledge heavenly mother but boys do not.

Al:
[17:10] Oh my gosh.

Geoff:
[17:11] So this is the new thing to be upset about with this in that,
The Young Ones theme is great to talk about Heavenly parents I’m a beloved daughter at Heavenly parents the immense team says I’m a beloved Son of God and he has work for me to do and so people are asking why don’t they just say the same thing why are men saying I am the son of heavenly parents are we,
saying men basically answer to God but women need to recognize both parties there’s been a lot of spec.

Al:
[17:38] This so much this is so.

Geoff:
[17:40] Oh you still people there has been much discussion about this my own take on this is on.

Al:
[17:44] It doesn’t it doesn’t mean that it’s a legitimate argument.

Geoff:
[17:47] I honestly think that,
well things are coordinated I think a lot of the groups involved in cracking this especially within the young women and young men’s General organizations I think they have a lot of autonomy and what they’ve been doing this probably work together on this but I would not be shocked if the young men’s General presidency,
helps play a role in crafting this theme and then kind of cleared it with young women cleared it with the top brass and they’re like cool.

Al:
[18:13] Yeah it is it is it wrong are you not allowed to say where son.

Geoff:
[18:16] No it’s fine but I wouldn’t be surprised if base with a different organizations kind of crap that they’re only than okay. As opposed to you know president Nelson sitting them down and saying here’s what you do.

Al:
[18:25] If it were up to Jana recent friends would be the this would be the most homogenized religion of all,
just like all it would be is a bland shade of Peach and in like saying nothing about Doctrine or what’s the video just be like like frustrating thing about sort of the,
everybody everybody just wants to be told their exact way and it’s like me and a little bit of diversity I would love for there to be different
you know for the boys to say something different than the girls because that means there’s a little bit the doctor in an H3 to go get go knock it out like don’t try and make it all the same.

Geoff:
[19:02] The easy thing to miss here is that growing up Al did we recite a young men’s theme growing up.

Al:
[19:09] They tried a few times I know there was like an erotic priest in one they tried to do for Price six month.

Geoff:
[19:17] Will we do the scalp but we do the Scout motto like that was the thing you do.

Al:
[19:20] Oh yeah On My Honor yeah for sure.

Geoff:
[19:23] That would happen but this is what’s what we’re missing in all this is that young men are actually going to have a theme like the young women that they will stand up and repeat every week that is very.

Al:
[19:32] They will not stand up and repeat it they’ll stand up in Mumble it quietly most of them trying to be in the back,
and there’ll be one kid that the deacons Quorum president will have it all memorized hair perfectly coiffed standing in the front expectedly showing off thinking that he’s in a good thing,
Armageddon swirlies it’ll happen.

Geoff:
[19:53] Pierre delecto the Third,
The Herd.

Al:
[19:58] That’s what that’s what this future is.

Geoff:
[20:01] Yeah I do think it’s also other things people are reading into the the young men will receive a ring but the women organ receive a a pendant why can’t the women receive a ring.

Al:
[20:14] Why can’t the men wear let’s give the men just one left studded earring.

Geoff:
[20:20] I want a dangly one a big hoop I do enjoy it the other day.

Al:
[20:22] Alvin sometimes I miss I miss doing this show just because I love catching up with you but I forget how stupid some of the people are.

Geoff:
[20:37] Yeah there’s a lot there is,
yeah I think all in all this is good stuff. See these are going to be a lot more self-governing I think they’ll be fun everyone’s very excited about the gospel living app that will not be available until 2020 that should be,
pretty fun and there’s this new strive to be hashtag and the new logo is this,
slick Temple looking think there is a strive to be Instagram account that already has 920 posts they’ve been populating this well before the fact and not telling anyone it seems,
and if you go there.

Al:
[21:10] Post that no one’s going to see.

Geoff:
[21:11] No know if you go there you can click on pictures from Elder gong,
there’s videos of him there’s a video of Elder gong talking to himself which is the best thing it was typing the face-to-face event and they did a double screen.

Al:
[21:23] It’s really wait for it it’s.

Geoff:
[21:25] Your mother’s death like it’s literally Elder gong talking to himself cuz it’s face-to-face and he’s promote.

Al:
[21:32] That account it that account is pretty much the Gong Show,
The Gong Show.

Geoff:
[21:41] I’m not giving it to you.

Al:
[21:42] Okay.

Geoff:
[21:43] You can have it so good on the youth I didn’t pay a tuffet.

Al:
[21:46] That account is pretty much no man that’s so good.

Geoff:
[21:49] Forget it I’ll move on it’s over.

Al:
[21:50] Don’t realize you don’t know how good you’ve had it all right let me see here there’s a new missionary handbook out this is replacing the formerly replaced white handbook yes.

Geoff:
[22:03] Okay so this is not like preach my gospel this is the little white handbook.

Al:
[22:08] Yeah still pocket-sized now not white picture of Jesus on the front a very.

Geoff:
[22:13] The three Catholic putting Jesus right close to your heart.

Al:
[22:15] Survey survey muted it’s like a muted painting of Jesus.

Geoff:
[22:20] He has no face it looks like that nut who tried to fix that painting in the Spanish Church.

Al:
[22:27] Do when you think Jeff we served on missions like 20 years ago on.

Geoff:
[22:30] Not quite but sure yes.

Al:
[22:32] 18in until like now the things they have things like handbook around policies for how they call their families their their technology guidelines there’s a lot of stuff to it like,
you had my mind I’m like why would you ever need to update the handbook and it’s like I know there’s a ton of stuff.

Geoff:
[22:51] There’s so much stuff in here now it’s been the 11 updated it for a 9 years.

Al:
[22:58] And a big focus is is the emission emission is not a uniform you put on it is a change that happens to you and I like that that’s nice.

Geoff:
[23:08] Emissions are good.

Al:
[23:10] Also in the missionary news michener’s pulled from Bolivia sort of around the same time that the the offshoot Mormon family down in Mexico had like terrorist attack.

Geoff:
[23:24] We talked about that on last week’s show yeah yeah.

Al:
[23:26] And now now Columbia has become rough again is that related at all do you think or.

Geoff:
[23:33] Do you mean do you mean Bolivia.

Al:
[23:36] Oh yes I’m sorry I was in Bogota not Bolivia Bolivia is that connected to Dollar you think that’s that’s enough separate that it’s just like they’re having cultural unrest and I need to be pulled out down there.

Geoff:
[23:50] Know the tragedy in Mexico was in a Latter-Day Saints of dual citizenship in colonies polygamist we discussed whether they’re called we should call them Latter-Day Saints or not.

Al:
[24:02] Because it made the news here as a as like a big deal. You don’t think you don’t think that influence the dog is having like in the same week almost.

Geoff:
[24:11] No because as far as we know there’s no account of any of missionaries being injured while I think the issue here is simply that,
I believe he’s had a lot of political unrest which is like to social unrest I mean Eva Morales,
the president to secure a fourth term it constitutionally not allowed fourth term,
eventually fled and it’s hard to say he abdicated a little bit different but anyways he fled,
there’s a special it’s been an unstable situation in Bolivia and Bolivia has had problems in the past with North American missionaries with this a country that’s more sensitive to Western imperialism than a lot of other.

Al:
[24:50] So you’re saying in the article yeah.

Geoff:
[24:52] And then the article yes so back in 89 to missionaries were assassinated basically by a,
a terrorist group that was trying to combat perceived American imperialism and for anyone who’s been a missionary abroad you know how much even though we’re not there if you’re in America and you know how much even though you’re not representing the country,
how much people just think you’re there on the errand of the United States Avenue.

Al:
[25:16] A we were there during the bush era it was in town.

Geoff:
[25:19] You get a lot of it so.

Al:
[25:21] I couldn’t imagine being their trip to Trump hair up half could you imagine.

Geoff:
[25:25] At least Trump kind of economy other than you know all the poop hole country remarks and stuff like that the u.s. is pretty awful at foreign policy in Latin America and that we don’t engage well down there so,
that’s also why they’re sensitive to it was the Old Monroe Doctrine if you know your history books that states that no one has any right to influence the Affairs of the Americas but the United States
basically the Monroe Doctrine said hey Europe you can’t call a nice here anymore we’re going to get you this is our turf,
and then all the like chill and they’re like you go away United States we don’t need this anymore.

Al:
[26:03] I remember them saying that those in Miami.

Geoff:
[26:05] So I think the church is just being cautious at this point,
because I haven’t pulled them from Oblivion just from the Cochabamba Mission North American missionaries in the Cochabamba Mission other missionaries I’ve heard they’ve scaled-back activity but they haven’t pulled anybody so just the one that’s 5 missions in Bolivia just that one,
so we’ll hope for a return to normalcy I don’t want to Venezuela situation I think we’ve.

Al:
[26:28] End end of the end of the missionaries just get transferred to other missions in Bolivia.

Geoff:
[26:33] Depends I don’t I doubt it in Bolivia if they’re close to going home they didn’t specify if that means within like one transfer to transfers or something if they’re closed they’re just sick getting sent home early,
but if not they’re being reassigned they have not I think it’s more to neighboring countries but I don’t think they’re staying in Bolivia if they are of North American descent.

Al:
[26:52] Interesting interesting.

Geoff:
[26:57] It is it is,
what’s up doc going down so president Nelson is been touring in Southeast Asia now before it is too or I have to imagine this was,
time nicely the prophet went to Vietnam,
it was his first stop at the big deal a standing Prophet is never been to Vietnam Vietnam of course is a communist country and we have a situation there is different even though their constitution allows for freedom of religion.

Al:
[27:26] I’ve been dying to make it to Vietnam.

Geoff:
[27:27] I’d love to go to Vietnam so it’s real.

Al:
[27:30] That’s where we should go.

Geoff:
[27:31] I’d I’m down,
we have a handful of congregation to Vietnam no steaks,
but this is right on the heels like a week ago or so the Vietnam prison of the church with a certificate the certificate basically an able to church to operate,
more freely in the country
a person went to a 2018 religious freedom laws the church has had recognition already but this is an extra step so I think it’s not a coincidence that that happened and then a week later,
the prophet shows up and gets to meet various who he met the mayor of Hanoi,
did the typical mean great stuff that he does this is great I was in Vietnam and Cambodia the actually announced the temple and can’t believe you seen this thing l.

Al:
[28:17] No

Geoff:
[28:19] So in his remarks to the because this weekend with website is,
dying right now I will send it to you in just from article about it in our chat,
so dirt while speaking to the Cambodian Saints president Nelson revealed the design of the Phnom Penh Temple that was announced a year ago and it’s Pretty stinking rat,
look at this thing I’ll just scroll down in the article scroll harder.

Al:
[28:47] Oh I’m scrolling it’s popping up scrolling.

Geoff:
[28:55] This thing is I I know we tried to.

Al:
[28:57] Oh wow.

Geoff:
[28:59] Select local Styles more and more but this is this is so this is like a Khmer Temple boom all the way.

Al:
[29:07] What what that’s great man but I actually is really cool I mean San Diego and say the same thing it’s all in the Steeples but really carrying a good.

Geoff:
[29:20] And that’s true I mean I think of you to cut off the steeple and look at it it would look just kind of like a without being able to see more details on the building from here the one rendering it would look,
a little more normal but that’s t-ball in a very Cambodian style all they need to do they should Adorn all the Steeples with gold though that would make him fit in even better with some of the history they’re awesome.

Al:
[29:42] Did you ever read the book the billion-dollar whale.

Geoff:
[29:44] I did not.

Al:
[29:46] Is that is that guy was he from Vietnam and China.

Geoff:
[29:50] Well I don’t know because I’ve never read the book.

Al:
[29:53] Is a great read it’s about that it’s literally about this guy couple years ago who like just cons Saudi Arabia at a billions of dollars like he just lies and then gets his country like Beckett.

Geoff:
[30:05] Good on him.

Al:
[30:06] And and then he said he goes like funds he funds films Like the Wolf of Wall Street and like gets famous in this world like his throws his billion-dollar parties and right now he’s living on a yacht outside of,
I don’t know Singapore something and in international waters and flies friends out to come and party with him and that this world these on the Run,
very very delightful tale if you’re if you’re into Financial.

Geoff:
[30:36] Yeah I know if you want to be on the run from the Saudis the last people I want to be on the Run.

Al:
[30:41] That’s right.

Geoff:
[30:44] Which since I said Sally’s real quick president Nelson hung out with with President Nelson met the leaders of the Muslim world league his Excellency Dr Muhammad Abdul Karim.

Al:
[30:59] My guys from Malaysia I’m sorry Malaysia.

Geoff:
[31:02] Oh that’s not as bad I mean.

Al:
[31:03] He claimed he went to Wharton and said he was a prince of Malaysia it just nobody nobody was like wait we don’t have a monarchy of Malaysia.

Geoff:
[31:12] Voices of Federation.

Al:
[31:13] Yeah.

Geoff:
[31:14] Yeah well then whatever this story is less exciting but anyway the first presidency met a leader from the Muslim world league which generally speaking the articles on nice as hell you know that this is an organization,
Advocates the interest of Muslims for them to worship freely and stuff that’s all well and good
the article doesn’t mention is that the Muslim world league is regarded by many as basically a front for Saudi wahhabism,
and it is sort of an agent of lobbyists.

Al:
[31:45] What is Sati wahhabism.

Geoff:
[31:47] Why isn’t is the form of Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia and the Saudis are quite Keen to export it elsewhere,
within Islam you don’t just have like sunnis and shias he there is there is more granular stuff at play with different interpretations elsewhere.

Al:
[32:04] So you’re saying we met with people representing a different countries religion.

Geoff:
[32:10] Important that will happen because I’m drove 911 my friend so you know.

Al:
[32:16] I think that that doesn’t seem.

Geoff:
[32:18] Lobbyism is is yes it’s it’s fundamentalist it’s more far right it is the type of Islam in Saudi Arabia so I think it’s fine that we’re talking to people.

Al:
[32:28] You’re saying Osama Bin Laden was a Wassabi.

[32:35] What Hobby Lobby,
I give you so many good title options.

Geoff:
[32:44] I think he took it to a different place but it did belong to a while having sex.

Al:
[32:49] Yeah I don’t think it’s fair to say that the the wahhabi ism pushed 911 on us as a seam.

Geoff:
[32:57] I’m not saying that the obvious of itself push 911 on.

Al:
[33:01] I believe that’s what you said.

Geoff:
[33:02] Because because the the oatmeal Sama character going to do what he wanted all I’m saying is it’s nice that we met leaders from this organization,
and we can also bear in mind that this organization might be there primarily to represent the interests of the Saudi Arabian government which is out to kill your friend.

Al:
[33:23] Similarly Elder eyring met with a terrorist group this week the Maryland governor,
he did Larry Hogan,
the same terrorist of the East. Larry seems like a nice guy I don’t know why Elder eyring I mean you just like hey thanks for remembering us in your,
what they do that they had something that they meant.

Geoff:
[33:55] The game some Jenny all.

Al:
[33:56] That’s really cool.

Geoff:
[33:59] They try to do just served a good thing to be reminded with the DC Temple is in Maryland so that’s a good excuse for us to.

Al:
[34:05] Again I can’t say enough how poorly designed and product managed the church’s just serve platform is and it bothers me that they’re still trying to make it a thing it’s not a thing it’s not going to be a thing no one.

Geoff:
[34:17] Do you think it’s all the things because no one uses it cuz you’ll cuz your login there there’s nobody’s done it I don’t know if it’s just needs to be evangelized better and get people more engage.

Al:
[34:26] No it needs to be a better product it’s a crappy part if you were if you are startup and design that you’d say,
oh well either we could build it in a way that people actually want to use it and would help them find service project or we’ll build it this way where it’s essentially the LinkedIn for service projects,
nobody cares.

Geoff:
[34:46] Okay so what so if you can expect you to have thought it all out but what would you change how would you redo just serve to make it work.

Al:
[34:53] Let’s see I actually.

Geoff:
[34:54] And I would like to take all the credit for the good ideas.

Al:
[34:57] I actually thought about this a lot because I was I was tasked with like making it go out here when I was in the High Council and I got in there looks like it’s not going to work guys,
it’s awful they might still do it we’re like you search you searching it’s like a Pinterest style masonry JavaScript,
style flow is that right let me see Kansas.

Geoff:
[35:20] I haven’t looked at it in a while so I’m in.

Al:
[35:22] Yeah nobody has but but we’ll give it a shot here real quick let’s see hanza City yeah and so the results returned are in a,
yeah they’re just in these big weird tile form so it’s really hard to find something cuz when you’re looking for service project you’re looking for a time that you want to serve an area or some sort of a topic and there’s no way to really search by that,
though you do have what you think you can view my calendar but the problem is that a lot of their like yeah this service project last forever you can go to the food pantry anytime,
which isn’t true right they have hours and hours and they want volunteers,
but they let like they just let everybody put up these really crappy entries and so the data ends up being worthless,
and it’s really frustrating it because you’re they just if it just constrained a little bit and encourage people like Bill good ones that what you do is you’d say great notify me of any service projects come up,
in this topic or this region,
we’re on this timeframe visit this is what you should do when you log in and say I’m available to serve on these times I have kids I have this until I want like family-oriented service projects and then we’re going to go and find you service
so you have something to do that be a really helpful platform.

Geoff:
[36:43] And it’s funny that you can’t.

Al:
[36:45] Just crappy.

Geoff:
[36:46] Yeah there’s a lot I’m looking at this right now there it’s like a some of those those variables are there they give you click on a particular opportunity it does say like who is appropriate for suitable for all ages are different groups so they’ve got those tag.

Al:
[37:01] Will you chill your challenges that you’re not going to login here every Saturday to look for him you need to be able to create an account saying here’s what I mean should here’s what I’m trying to do but the service opportunities that are created are,
most of them are like your come on by anytime we’re doing this for the whole summer and it’s like oh my gosh is the worst,
and there’s no way like when it’s like you got to say you’re going and then some people don’t say and
like does it feel up or does it not there’s no way to hold people accountable you can’t get you should be able to rate the different organizations and rate yourself as like I say I’m going and I actually show up there’s a lot of things that I do different that would make this a really powerful platform
so Elder eyring I tell you right to your face
quit endorsing this is a crap product you need somebody that knows how to build products making websites for the church not your nephew cuz that’s what happened here somebody got some nepotism got this contract,
Shirley charged hundred thousands of dollars and it sucks.

Geoff:
[38:01] Okay well there’s that.

Al:
[38:05] In the name of Jesus Christ.

Geoff:
[38:07] Nope nope nope nope.

Al:
[38:10] Amen amen.

Geoff:
[38:11] Well that’s that’s terrific what you just expressed Al I’m going to move on.

Al:
[38:17] You asked me why I wasn’t going to bring that up.

Geoff:
[38:19] I’m going to Pivot to the fact The Real Housewives is going to be in Salt Lake City this is news.

Al:
[38:28] I’m very excite.

Geoff:
[38:28] You assume people will kind of care about but I forgot how much people would care about this when he was analysis with everywhere when it when the news dropped so Andy Cohen.

Al:
[38:38] Because like the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills is like.

Geoff:
[38:41] The one who runs the The Real Housewives franchise says it will be in Salt Lake City and it’s hilarious because he’s like,
I mean the dude says it straight up he’s like you didn’t see it coming but I have to tell you and you tell you have the Majesty of the mountains the Mormon religion and exclusive community of people who have,
very successful businesses who live in their own universe,
it is gorgeous and I think you’re going to be really surprised and intrigued by the group of women we’ve found found not finding they’ve already found them self,
the speculation is will they.

Al:
[39:12] Crazy Bible of it.

Geoff:
[39:15] How will they behave how many people will get released from their calling because of their behavior on the show or lose Temple recommend.

Al:
[39:23] For sure and Romney is going to be in there you know she’s.

Geoff:
[39:26] No I’m pulling for Kristen Oaks and Wendy Nelson come on.

Al:
[39:30] Did it was crazy like The Real Housewives Beverly Hills great because they’re like I don’t have dinner in Kuwait let’s go I’m chartering a Jet right now come on girls nothing to go like I don’t.

Geoff:
[39:43] As most people do as most most people do say where should we have dinner tonight I yes romantic Kuwait let us all go there ladies.

Al:
[39:51] You this is a direct quote of something you would say where you like I know this little hole-in-the-wall spot and cool wait we just got to swing by sometimes I have a little shrimp leftover.

Geoff:
[40:00] I feel like they have the best falafel then you and I would get an argument about Tel Aviv having the best falafel and it would just be able to get by.

Al:
[40:07] As we as we’re prone to do but I’m like you know that there’s a lot of rich people in Salt Lake City and a lot of fake rich people and so I I can’t wait just to like.

Geoff:
[40:15] The fake rich people is going to be the fun part I just I hope it doesn’t wind up.

Al:
[40:20] I hope they have one.

Geoff:
[40:23] I hope it doesn’t want a reflecting poorly on the Latter Day Saint Community writ large because I guarantee that’s going to happen and it’s going to become a story in PA,
Mormon look at Mustang are there so covetous.

Al:
[40:39] They’re your world in danger of that happening if they’re all Mormon and then that would be hella.

Geoff:
[40:45] Know what would be really sad is if they’re all Mormon but one and then the one who’s not like a lot of non Mormons in Utah.

Al:
[40:52] She’s the favorite.

Geoff:
[40:54] No she’s not the favor like no one talks to her the other ones won’t let their kids play with her kids because she doesn’t share their values.

Al:
[41:03] Geoff Minister today got it in.

Geoff:
[41:06] Yeah I’m less worried about people acting like an appropriately and more worried about the sanctimonious side of Mormonism coming out and just making us look like overly Pious dweebs / jerks.

Al:
[41:18] I hope I hope that the next Real Housewives is Real Housewives of like Western Pennsylvania and it’s an Amish Real Housewives cuz those dudes are sitting on some cash.

Geoff:
[41:30] I thought you were going to say Pittsburgh I’d like to see real housewives of Pittsburgh yeah.

Al:
[41:35] Maybe a hairy Housewives anyway.

Geoff:
[41:38] Nothing but Mount Lebanon I’m assuming this whole series.

Al:
[41:42] Wait no Mount Angel ride that’s in Pittsburgh and we ride the funicular remember.

Geoff:
[41:47] New Orleans Washington.

Al:
[41:51] Yeah that’s the one nevermind.

Geoff:
[41:53] I just hoping there to fill this whole thing and Draper I don’t know what else they would do it anywhere else in Salt Lake is this going to happen when you think others.

Al:
[41:59] North Salt Lake.

Geoff:
[42:00] There’s like emigration Canyon images Park City but they’re selling proper yes but I think if you want to get to like.

Al:
[42:06] No you got you got it in North know North South Salt Lake Bountiful area you get up on the mountains there.

Geoff:
[42:13] There’s a little bit of that Bountiful I just feel like Draper so beautifully encapsulated like the mcmansion lifestyle more than anywhere else in the valley.

Al:
[42:21] If there’s a real rich people in Draper.

Geoff:
[42:23] But that’s what could be fun if it just the faux Rich that you saw it is and something people in Lehi Alpine would be fun to they could do that.

Al:
[42:32] I feel like Draper Draper would be like Salinas California it’s where you go when you when you want to be where the cool stuff is but you just gave.

Geoff:
[42:40] Draper is nothing like Salinas California in any way shape or form I just because you have some type to Salinas guess what I do to my dad girl.

Al:
[42:50] It’s a strawberry it’s a strawberry capital of a mare.

Geoff:
[42:53] Did you forget that my dad knew your mom and high school remember that weird tie we’ve discovered.

Al:
[42:57] You leave my mom out of this I’ll leave the.

Geoff:
[42:59] No I love Jay and I’ve been waiting for that line to come back for what you popped in my head like last,
how’s it going to be.

Al:
[43:08] I feel like I feel like I’m 90% gripes this recession.

Geoff:
[43:14] Oh well we haven’t even gotten there yet but please go ahead.

Al:
[43:17] No so I’m so they’re the thing that even instigated this whole thing I message Devin today there is an awful.

Geoff:
[43:24] How about those are but by this whole thing it means a lot. On the show this week this is what this is what it all comes down.

Al:
[43:31] Yeah I’m sorry so there is there’s a How Great Thou Art Renditions by the oh yeah.

Geoff:
[43:38] The BYU men’s chorus.

Al:
[43:39] It’s happening in my ears right now BYU men’s chorus and and the song is Beautiful very well done they decided to make a music video out of,
and the music video is atrocious they they have it is so bad did you watch it.

Geoff:
[43:59] I’ve watched the whole the whole thing.

Al:
[44:03] What’s the city I mean they choreographed.

Geoff:
[44:04] Normalize is by the end it’s the beginning that is just I don’t know what’s going on there.

Al:
[44:10] Not so that somebody was like alright I’m going to I’m going to choreograph this and we’re going to have 500 white men,
all doing these things in sync and they do they have this moment where like they raise their arm to the Sun and it’s a pretty spitting image of Heil it’s a very close image of a white supremacy,
Psy.

Geoff:
[44:30] The only thing that makes it not a Nazi salute as they did it with their left arms and not their right if they done the exact same motion with their right arm it would be a Nazi salute.

Al:
[44:38] Yeah so that so it goes up in form and then it blocks the Sun and then they try and like everybody spin move and turn it is it is by far the worst choreography,
you could do it like you don’t look at this group and say I got it this is what we’re going to do no let him stand,
let him sing maybe maybe a slow walk down a hill or something but not this,
and most of the comments are all from the the choir the chorus themselves and they’re like this is the best I love you guys it’s amazing.

Geoff:
[45:11] I’m sure it was fun to do it I mean by this the arrangements nice and look.

Al:
[45:15] Until until you watch it yourself or like some job interviews like I’m sorry is this you in this video and you’re like now that was as for the church.

Geoff:
[45:25] And it’s six and a half minutes long to it really just drives.

Al:
[45:30] It’s a great like if you just listen to this on a CD and say there’s a great.

Geoff:
[45:33] I’m watching video again right now starting to look up the starting to look up I think they filmed all this in like what is this look like Rock Creek Park.

Al:
[45:45] It’s so bad and then.

Geoff:
[45:45] Oh boy look at that drone shot somebody rented a drone for the day.

Al:
[45:51] Lot of drugs shots in.

Geoff:
[45:53] I’m waiting for the Nazi salute,
does a couple times lose kind of like the first time they could have raised their hands up vaguely towards the Sun and they start doing this weird this thing like that.

Al:
[46:08] Yes the wheat wave the wheat wave.

Geoff:
[46:10] Give way back and forth and then they collapse in a sequence to the left this is so you can think you could dance.

Al:
[46:17] It’s just they’re trying they’re just trying too hard so keep singing boys make no more music video.

Geoff:
[46:20] I mean it’s a fun idea up there’s there’s enough.

Al:
[46:26] You can’t miss it,
and I was nobody commenting on the maybe they’re deleting those comments because all the comments are very supported they may just be deleting the main ones but.

Geoff:
[46:35] Yeah well you know where bad people so that’s why this is happening.

Al:
[46:39] No no work Jeff we are realists first things first what about I said first things first I’m a realist so yeah.

Geoff:
[46:49] Speaking of music,
I decided being the pedantic fellow I can be I published a little flow post on Sunday about a him,
Jesus Savior pilot me this is crucial people crucial and I like how much traction this got so that’s the only reason it’s worth talking about cuz your comments were a crack up.

Al:
[47:11] Hold on I got six comments which of those six were worth.

Geoff:
[47:15] No Noel it had John talking about Facebook my friend insta it has.

Al:
[47:20] I’m on Facebook Jeff there were no comments of note.

Geoff:
[47:24] I’m literally looking at all of the comments right now.

Al:
[47:28] What was said that made this.

Geoff:
[47:30] Oh I just thought it was so the point is if you look at Jesus Savior pilot me this like many hands is an example of how we sing things we think they should be sung as opposed to how they are written and no one enforces it so on Jesus Savior pilot me on the 3rd full bar,
people always sing the back after that bar,
as if it follows a dotted eighth sixteenth patterns list
Overlord that’s how it’s not written that way,
do you understand what I’m saying to you I’ll do understand the way I’m explaining.

Al:
[48:09] I know that sounded that that was like that’s like a New Zealander explaining to me the difference between a New Zealand accent and a nausea.

Geoff:
[48:16] Okay this is how it should it should be over life’s tempestuous sea,
okay lust tempestuous Seaver Street like that eighth notes straighten.

Al:
[48:31] And how do we do it.

Geoff:
[48:32] We say Overlord Tempest so people sing it like it’s what’s called a.

Al:
[48:39] I still like I can not hear the difference in that I am so sorry that this exact.

Geoff:
[48:44] You unlike I.

Al:
[48:46] You like get in the car and get in the car we say tie and they say chi.

Geoff:
[48:52] You unlike I are you are not a Visionary you are not a vision.

Al:
[48:56] So you said this was worth talking about because the comments which comment.

Geoff:
[49:00] Oh people some people said Thank you thank you thank you.

Al:
[49:04] Give me to give me.

Geoff:
[49:05] We should say things is written to one person asking which bar we were talking about one guy had one guide posted a gif that said why or it’s a girl why would you say something so controversial yet so brave,
so brave.

Al:
[49:21] Wasted this is worth talking about because it was a Facebook post that some people reply to in mediocre form.

Geoff:
[49:31] I don’t think the notes matter the message is there mind blown.

Al:
[49:34] Do you never get interaction on your Facebook posts.

Geoff:
[49:38] Who cares that’s what’s the favorite.

Al:
[49:41] Mark Barlow who cares I agree with you Mark I’m going to like that, right now who cares.

Geoff:
[49:46] That reminds me of that time I took a picture of one of the.

Al:
[49:52] I am more upset for you for calling this a newsworthy.

Geoff:
[49:56] Oh this is news of the week.

Al:
[49:58] Because you posted a stupid thing on face.

Geoff:
[50:01] It’s not stupid.

Al:
[50:02] Fui handful of people said something.

Geoff:
[50:05] You’re stupid screw you forget this.

Al:
[50:09] I’m sorry I didn’t know where the comment was a gem that was plenty,
that was like we got to talk about this on the shell guys you’re not going to believe the funny image that Emily pug War.

Geoff:
[50:24] We need to take the weigh-ins are written seriously people don’t give me this nonsense that it’s all about the message of the hymn sing the notes the way there.

Al:
[50:33] I hate you I’ve always hated you.

Geoff:
[50:37] What’s that.

Al:
[50:39] First man I was at the store. Doesn’t can’t find another one another one.

Geoff:
[50:44] Fine the other ones I don’t understand as well but I’m looking this one called the title of Liberty was raised the title of Liberty was raised in.

Al:
[50:53] Spoiler alert it wasn’t they just had a conference and talk.

Geoff:
[50:54] It is free Country tour so a delegation from the church at the church joined Interfaith in government leaders as well as academics in Central America in late October to make history.

Al:
[51:04] How do you say Title of Liberty raised in 3 Country tour.

Geoff:
[51:07] The groups that it’s a very strangely like conceived article.

Al:
[51:10] Nothing was real.

Geoff:
[51:11] The group signed an agreement to work more diligently to promote and protect religious freedom.

Al:
[51:18] Hey Church Newsroom before you call it a title Liberty was it rent it was their coat rent was it written on this coat and was it hoisted on a pole if no to all three it was not at.

Geoff:
[51:30] As far as I can tell there until there was literally know you see this headline and you think it’s going to mean that like,
Anna exciting weekend in Guatemala El Salvador and Honduras people ascended the hilltops of the volcanoes and raised the title of Liberty and some massive.

Al:
[51:48] Be cool. Be cool.

Geoff:
[51:49] This is literally a delegation from the church talked about religious freedom in a symposium in Central America,
so I disagree with the premise Newsroom my story about him annotation with better than that one I’d like the record to show.

Al:
[52:10] I want to know you thought something to eat this this article motherhood may be hazardous to your health.

Geoff:
[52:15] Okay I admit I didn’t read it all top to bottom so I want to make sure I represent to correctly but yes.

Al:
[52:22] I read it and I mean so it seems to me now there’s a risk year of just like mansplaining baby having butt.

Geoff:
[52:31] I think as awesome as Sheryl Sandberg lean in just listening to this.

Al:
[52:39] But it but,
it is I wonder if from what perspective she’s writing this is she writing this as a mother she riding this is somebody that’s not a mother because the argument seems very slanted,
and she just seems very upset that like motherhood is represented in a positive light and religion instead of as she calls it.

[53:02] All I know is that it was a lack of informed consent,
around the teachings of motherhood which is an instrument of phrase meaning that when they said
you should grow up to be Mom’s they didn’t say but be careful because motherhood is going to be really hard and she felt that there should have been more caveats to
motherhood as it was. And then yeah it’s like,
it is hard and she makes a list of,
you know all the things that are harder we’re like your marriage is harder and your physical and mental health and social health ablation about sexual health educational Health financial how all these things are disadvantaged by being a mother,
and which is true but also I mean like hard things are not bad in,
light of the gospel and I I think I think that there’s a lot of people women women included that would argue that that this is not exactly a fair,
representation of the experience of motherhood but,
I am not a mother and so I have been having a hard time this like so dismissing this out right but it just it doesn’t feel very representative of the experiences of motherhood that I’ve heard from women.

Geoff:
[54:27] I think it varies the exponent has a particular audience so it’s important to bear that in mind but,
there are some interesting point I think a lot of this is someone who takes issue with of course that would the long dealt with notion that you know a woman’s role is reduced to that of being a mother primarily,
I’m saying like,
it is a Divine identity but what about everything else and I think earlier in the year if you heard our podcast series when Josie gleave did this three-part series on motherhood with a speaking to a bunch of different women it was really interesting cuz I talked a lot of that
what defines a mother is motherhood as motherhood what defines you as a woman in the church and what if you’re a woman the church who doesn’t want to be a mother for example like there a place for you
that was an it was interesting to learn about at the very least what I have found.

Al:
[55:15] It has been because there’s a there’s sort of a movement right now because people are getting married later you and I were were amongst them.

Geoff:
[55:23] Well it don’t Wrap Me In with your shenanigans buscher.

Al:
[55:26] Yeah right by I was clearly out of the singles ward by the time I found my wife and and asked as that sort of age shifts
2 and older demographic I think there’s a lot of people that find themselves uncertain of their place in the church and there’s
there’s a big push of like if I don’t have kids I still matter right and and I think it’s important to represent those as well but I don’t think that you,
and just maybe this may not be right but like in my mind you don’t need to say motherhood isn’t as good as you’ve all been told so that you’re okay not being a mother I think I think that you’ve got to find well,
either either you find motherhood in places that aren’t bearing children or you find you know you find the role that,
that you feel called to and rice that but it don’t like mother is actually I mean Parenthood I think it’s hard but it’s like this really great,
thing to be engaged and you and I have talked about it before the shelves like it’s a lot of stress of all involved in it and it’s sort of never relenting but still like,
it’s it’s the only thing that we’re doing this like making us grow is humans I feel like there’s not a lot of other things as a 30 or 40 year old that you’re going to engage with it like,
refine music.

Geoff:
[56:44] I don’t know man I’m really good at working in government bureaucracy that’s pretty hot,
it’s very rewarding I did find before we leave this article I thought it was interesting that she tallied up mentions of motherhood in general conference by gender and how many,
are far more likely to mention motherhood,
then women I believe her argument to mess with that men are trying to reinforce the notion of women as mothers and how that they’re Divine roll whereas female speakers overwhelmingly are not bothering to go into that much 82% in the past 20 years,
have not mentioned motherhood in their conference talk which is pretty.

Al:
[57:23] That is that is interesting Mike my gut reaction to that would be that men men as they speak about Womanhood or motherhood they generalize in much,
bigger like a much bigger sense partly because it probably don’t like that they want they want to quickly brush over,
did the like when women are important to write they kind of they don’t spend the time on it,
they should and you don’t find women like certain dismissing women that way right,
where they would be much more deliberate and sort of focused in the remarks where it where man I just I see his laziness instead of,
instead of like reinforcing the the matriarchy it’s like I see this is like missguided laces out. Would go but I’d be curious to like,
don’t be for that because it’s pretty traumatic right then mention it like 60% of the time and women mentioned it like 12% of the time.

Geoff:
[58:24] I also be curious to see how that stuff that has changed over that sampling. 20 years in order they are.

Al:
[58:30] Yeah can we get a line graph and not a pie chart please thank.

Geoff:
[58:33] Because it would be interesting as a changed over time or women mentioning it more now or less that’s what I’d like to see I do,
of course we are men so R Pena.

Al:
[58:43] Manly manly men.

Geoff:
[58:44] Mater well I think that’s going to wrap it up for our show this week every.

Al:
[58:49] Wait wait we got that we got to light the world happened a raccoon.

Geoff:
[58:55] Look who sell me wants to cover every story all right so living out the light the world,
plans for the year there’s some vending machines there’s a new video about the Christ child that is very good it’s a new it’s brand new they kind of dropped it along with.

Al:
[59:10] He seems nice.

Geoff:
[59:11] All the Book of Mormon videos and there’s videos on how to light the world you know.

Al:
[59:15] We we had a we had a pear Harvest where we invited sister missionaries over and they showed us this before it came out it was very.

Geoff:
[59:23] And you feel pretty cool huh.

Al:
[59:25] I really did I feel privileged you know I felt like the Christ child that was meant for me before it was for every.

Geoff:
[59:31] And Analysis of Dorothy in Spanish he was trying to reference the out of Cuba Peru Temple open house.

Al:
[59:38] Rekha Pai.

Geoff:
[59:40] Are we req APA anyway.

Al:
[59:43] And there it is.

Geoff:
[59:44] Another temple in Peru making things happen out there arequipa is down in southern Peru and I believe that actually.

Al:
[59:51] You know they say Peru is the Arizona of the South.

Geoff:
[59:55] That is what they say it’ll be the third temple in the country so good on them.

Al:
[1:00:03] Really nice really nice job.

Geoff:
[1:00:05] Thank you thank you very much.

Al:
[1:00:07] Geoff it’s been a pleasure as per usual thank you for having on me.

Geoff:
[1:00:10] I’ll working people for working people find us.

Al:
[1:00:13] Why you guys go look at it this week in Mormons of Jeff ever gets a hosting figured out. Com.

Geoff:
[1:00:18] If you’re listening to this episode has been figured out cuz I can’t publish this episode of that access to the website.

Al:
[1:00:23] Also also let’s see ya find us on social at the real.

Geoff:
[1:00:30] If you could see all right now his eyes are closed and he’s concentrating really hard to know what the.

Al:
[1:00:34] On Instagram and Twitter and facebook.com this weekend were spent with or contacted.

Geoff:
[1:00:40] Also I am.

Al:
[1:00:41] I think I still get my still get those I’m sure.

Geoff:
[1:00:43] I don’t know books I do encourage you if you’re not a patron of the show go to patreon.com this week in Mormons and play $2 a month and I might need it more if there was all this posting problem I need your money to have a dedicated server people.

Al:
[1:00:55] What do you need.

Geoff:
[1:00:57] Right now I’m sharing a server like some kind of peasant what is that is like Airbnb I’m squatting in someone’s Turf people twin deserves its own dedicated Cloud space you know it and I know it so I’m raising the Challenge from a dollar a month,
to $10 a month that is right everybody $10 a month,
from at least like eight of you to handle that thank you very much but seriously thanks for tuning in we hope will subscribe to the podcast of you have not done so already through whatever means that is Apple Google Spotify whatever you like to use and,
that will be that Allen much appreciated my friend.

Al:
[1:01:36] Jeffrey always.

Geoff:
[1:01:38] It has been it has been what it has been have a great week everybody whatever this publishes it might be by next week I have no idea but we’ll find out what happens next time on this week in Mormons be well be holy and be happy.

Al:
[1:01:47] As a great wait wait reference thank you.