EP 452 – ‘Show Offs’ with Lisa Valentine Clark and Hailey Smith

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Two Latter-day Saint queens of comedy are back to talk improv, uplifting comedy, being a working Latter-day Saint woman, and more.

[dropcap]F[/dropcap]or those in the United States, we hope you had a great Thanksgiving and did not succumb to the worldly deluge the is Black Friday. (But we do hope that you had a fabulous Cyber Monday.)

Comedy is a fickle medium. What’s funny to one is not funny to another. Moreover, what passes as comedy in some environments is considered rude or inappropriate in others. Latter-day Saints are no strangers to comedy, having pursued it with varying degrees of success. BYUtv is eager to capitalize on the need to bring appropriate, uplifting comedy to the masses, and it has done so with its new hit improv comedy show, Show Offs. Lest you be confused, Show Offs is not just improv in the vein of Whose Line Is It, Anyway? Rather, it is long-form improvisational comedy neatly packaged for families. It’s great.

Two stars of the show, Hailey Smith and Lisa Valentine Clark, who joined us four years ago to promote One I Was a Beehive, are back in the studio to discuss comedy as it pertains to Latter-day Saints, the unique struggles and opportunities they face not just as women in comedy, but Mormon women in comedy, how they work with Hollywood A-listers (and keeping some of them clean is part of the fun), and what it’s like to continue working in a Utah-based market for so many years.

Transcript

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:00] Hey hey hey it this week in Mormons,
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so we’re thrilled to be joined today by none other
than esteemed comedienne-actor — I don’t know exactly which gender pronouns are using nowadays — Hailey Smith of Show Offs.

Hailey Smith:
[0:46] Hey how’s it going.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:48] I’m doing great thanks so much for being here how are you doing.

Hailey Smith:
[0:51] Oh I am doing great so happy to be here thank you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:56] Just just a quiz you do you know where you are and that do you know what show you’re on right now I want to see if you ask.

Hailey Smith:
[1:02] Oh I had something with something about this week or I’m familiar with the group.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:12] Did you remember that you were actually on the show Once 4 years ago.

Hailey Smith:
[1:16] I do remember that yeah it was good times have I had to buy all with a few technical difficult.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:25] We both have a lot of technical difficulties that was on here as well with Lisa Valentine Clark once I was a beehive so I think it’s streaming scriptures or something like that,
I think so.

Hailey Smith:
[1:41] Yeah I know it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:43] It might even be on Amazon Amazon Prime Prime Cut a random sore LDS related films to but.

Hailey Smith:
[1:48] Yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:50] So that was a lot of fun in that you referenced as we have all kinds of fun technical difficulties I actually review the episode before we talk today and it cracked me up how much stuff we left in there,
oh my God hold on it said Lisa popped in here.

Hailey Smith:
[2:05] O Visa.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[2:10] Hi I’m here.

Hailey Smith:
[2:15] Oh my goodness.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[2:16] We had to plug into laptop went into the laptop for some reason cuz it won’t let me go on my phone or my iPad.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:25] Technology is hard.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[2:29] Geoff muldaur.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:33] It’s okay now we only have you know like 5 minutes left to be great but,
looks like make sure Lisa doing okay we did just dive in and we heard the voice of what sounded like an unenthusiastic teenage boy.

[2:49] Oh good for you that’s a funny age I was at the light one.

Hailey Smith:
[2:53] Play I’m sorry I was told this was all about me.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:56] What was one reason.

Hailey Smith:
[2:59] Hi Lisa.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:06] Lisa was bailing Haley and I decided to have a therapy session where we went out on a four grievances from perpetually living and Lisa shadow.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[3:14] Not true not true lies.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:19] Well if you say so I have no judgements on this matter but I think you two might need to work some things out offline that’s all I’m going to say.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[3:28] We working out on the stage.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:31] Anyways so sorry bro this is also Lisa Valentine Clark who is slated to join us then had problems so he’s going to be just me and Haley and now Lisa’s here so we’ve got two people from show us.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[3:41] Sorry about that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:42] Nothing to apologize for it’s fine it’s.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[3:45] I don’t have my life together let’s just say that that’s the easiest way to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:51] I’m in Technologies hard it’s okay and I’m sorry for the struggle you had getting on and,
we are glad you’re here regardless and I were just talking about what program this is because she didn’t know so this is this weekend Mormon in case anybody is not clear about this and you both been on here before four years ago where we gave,
where we gave your film once I was a beehive the twin bump and I am certain that the movie netted,
$732,000 domestic gross I believe at least $10,000 of that came from this program that’s what.

Hailey Smith:
[4:25] Oh well thank you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:28] I have no data to back that up I’m just put in the Arabic news.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[4:34] We’re just going to go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:42] Real quick so think about once I was a beehive we spoke to you before I think it was even released so how did pan out for you,
pretty well and had a good representation and it’s in its desired Market by like how was that for you guys how was he needs an element of once I was a bee.

Hailey Smith:
[5:06] Yeah well I mean as far as,
like it actually was considered a box office success for an independent film so there’s that aspect but more importantly for me just the reaction my favorite part is just to heat when I get to talk to these young girls about how it impacted them or are we got some messages
from people in other countries I remember reading one from a guy who said
I don’t even know where he was from his kind of wrote in broken English well I I didn’t really know anything about Jesus but then I watched this movie about this girl and her dog and now I’m going to find Christ
and it was just like okay I was grown man and
well okay I guess you never know when you put something out there for you know LDS teenagers what’s going to happen but I was kind of that kind of stuff is my favorite,
stop.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[6:01] There’s no question that that we all of us who were part of creating it,
are proud of it,
you know like that that we look back on making it and and what a small budget we had and how
you know the glamour of making a movie which is the the reality is is your cleaning the trailer out the day after,
not really and you’re hosing it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:32] Call me their work are you trying to say there were no crap services at the production.

Hailey Smith:
[6:38] Our friends did after that.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[6:41] It was all hands on deck and it was early morning
what the back of that experience we’re all super super proud of it and happy about and I think that we created something special that that can last and and that was different and that.
had an impact in a lot of different ways and and we’re really happy about it we’d love to do something like that again.

Hailey Smith:
[7:05] And not to mention the fact that the title is now extra poignancy it was once I was a beehive now that there are no Bees.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:13] Yeah I are you going to do whenever you do the you like the 4K remaster you just have to rename it once I was a member of a young women class.

Hailey Smith:
[7:20] If I was an 11 to 13 year old girl in nlds.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[7:25] What year.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:27] Latter-Day Saint Ward Haley Latter-Day Saint War.

Hailey Smith:
[7:30] Yes and yes exactly.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:35] It’s a funny world we live and we could ask a lot of course while we’re still this week in Mormons given the the current climate and my my answer is typically wants LDS living changes its name,
then I’ll consider.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[7:47] Oh yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:48] Because the church owns LDS living so I’m not knocking anybody but if a church on this the tution isn’t changing I feel okay with who I am for now that’s my excuse to be stubborn.

Hailey Smith:
[7:56] Old ass is not legit we can’t use others.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:01] I don’t think so I think it’s supposed to be not Mormon or LDS you’re supposed to spell out Latter Day Saints as much as you can.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[8:09] Where’s the where’s my nerdy English major former English teacher self coming out no one owns the English language and so
you know if if you use a word that hat is culturally and historically appropriate or used in a positive way.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:28] Least I just want to remind you I believe you are an employee of BYU,
there’s there’s some kind of Mantra it’s called follow the prophet.

[8:44] Yeah I don’t know I don’t get wrapped up too much in the culture wars stuff but it is actually I’m going to make this about me or my program but how many people have contacted us since that and like in a mean way it’s like why changing your name like where’s your faith what’s wrong with you.

Hailey Smith:
[8:57] Is that I don’t understand.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[9:02] Some people have time,
crazy things.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:17] Yeah I mean the internet has given us all sorts of time to just raise hell and all kinds of ways,
that’s really how to say I’m glad that you are working in a A+ happy promoting environment in general because we kind of need a lot more of that in media and on the internet nowadays with just how much just,
awfulness there is around every turn.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[9:41] I really feel that way I see whatever you’re looking for you will find
on the right it’s horribly unbalanced and that there aren’t a lot of positive helpful,
resources to go to.

Hailey Smith:
[10:02] Enter show-offs.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[10:12] In our heart of hearts are trying to do that it’s not just like whatever the job is paycheck it’s not that at all it’s it’s we want to
bring it to the world we want you to be able to improve your life.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:34] I’m sure I missed part of BYUtv of course has evolved significantly in terms of his mission over the past handful of years you know they’re trying,
sponsored so many new programs they’re not chasing an overtly LDS audience even if it’s still a spouse’s those values of course.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[10:51] People who are looking for lemitar audience.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:58] That’s a fair point I would assume the physical.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[11:00] Alaska versus them thing to me to me as as a member and as a Christian that that never sat well with me.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:12] And how do you feel like like show-offs for example how do you feel that the Bridging the Gap Between Us Versus Them especially in the if it’s in the religious sphere or social sphere.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[11:23] Well I feel like there’s a lot of misconceptions still about I feel like growing up in Nebraska which was a very religious community there,
I saw that and I also was friends with a lot of really really great people of different faiths who didn’t care and who wanted to learn
you know more about the church not necessarily for conversion just because we had a lot in common and and when I do something like show-offs
and I I’m excited to say to my friends who are raising kids as well and saying hey this is something that you can watch with your kids in your book will laugh and you’re not going to cringe they know what I’m talking about it’s sometimes we speak as if Mormons are the only ones who are,
looking for wholesome
somehow got a negative connotation as being dumb or something like that
reining horses in the triste event that it is and it is interesting and it is just purely funny
something should be able to sit down
with show-offs and with he went at BYUtv and BYU Radio as well because people are responding to what they’re not saying I was this a Mormon thing or a non-mormon think it has nothing to do with that it it’s looking for good.

Hailey Smith:
[12:52] Yeah and we also don’t approach any of the Improv or comedy that we’ve ever done from,
a religious standpoint it’s just that just the nature of who we are we all I mean most of us have kids we’ve been working together for years that’s just the kind of content that we like to create we just like to do stuff.
accessing it’s more of a challenge really to have those parameters and so that’s why I feel like it’s
it’s accessible for everyone of all ages because we’re not even trying to make it for what audience it is for everyone.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[13:29] Are inviting people from Hollywood.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:38] Will Forte coming on.

Hailey Smith:
[13:40] You’re not surprised.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:41] I don’t know how you’re going to keep him clean but congratulations on that Noble effort.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[13:45] Because they want to do it they know it’s a little bit more difficult,
we’re going to support him the whole way you bring in a guest like Will Forte you sit him down and he’s like okay so what is this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:10] Why am I in Utah.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[14:19] 4 families you can’t swear you can’t use the lord’s name in vain we’re keeping it clean and they say okay no one none of our celebrity guests have pushed back,
nobody has complained and nobody has has failed out of either they and afterwards
you know what the response is so great that was so much fun that’s so cool that was that was different than anything that I’ve ever done it doesn’t become I think sometimes,
our discussions focus on if something’s clean or not that we forget that the real discussion is is something good,
you know and then you can have that without the S on it being clean you just step in parameters like a game because that’s what improv is and then you play.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:04] Do you feel like for both of you that that
that draw to something good is that what should have drawn you more towards I don’t have to say to a Latter-Day Saint market like a but a good Market one BYU TVs Market as opposed to I hit the expression as opposed to trying to like go Hollywood for exam,
was that the drug that keeps you focused in this area.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[15:26] That’s a really good question and,
and I’m going to be honest it’s very it’s a lot more complicated of a question then for me and for Haley than you might sink because of our life,
which are influenced by our religion of course Hailey and I have made some very very specific choices that,
exclude us from having the quote-unquote time and energy,
and then,
do I get really mad about you know how we don’t support women enough in our in our world.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:17] Okay let’s let Haley talk about it then so you don’t have a coronary no be good.

Hailey Smith:
[16:23] Yeah no no no I I talk about it all the time I mean when when we we both got married I mean
young for the world do you know and started our families and that’s what we wanted to do and that’s what we felt good about doing and other friends of ours did go to La and did
you know pursue that and sometimes it was hard to not feel like Left Behind or feel like I’m just changing diapers awesome for that you know and so
but then Flash Forward and our kids are you know mostly
well all teenagers and we’ve been able to have these opportunities and for me it’s just the ultimate dream job because not only.

[17:11] Am I able to feel comfortable like
being away from my family just because of the situation that we’re in to do these shows I also get to work with my best friends doing what we left to do and what we’ve done for almost 20 years together
and I don’t have to be nervous I don’t have to have to distrust who I’m working with I don’t have to worry about being put in an awkward position that I’ll feel uncomfortable about everyone just,
respect each other and and we,
just have the ultimate Bond of trust and as for me I have no regrets about,
how I did it and how I got to this point in my career that I’m at but I do agree that,
it’s hot it’s different looks different for everyone and and it’s hard it’s hard when you’re trying to have kids in and be there for your kids but you also,
RN artist.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:10] I imagine how does it feel being women women in comedy is difficult no matter the audience is it even what what unique challenges you face being women in comedy is Latter Day Saints women in comedy if any.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[18:24] Well I feel good because we’re still talking about women in comedy and not just comedians that we still have a really long and it’s not a question that like men’s ever get,
I also feel like because of that it informs the way that that even we respond to two things that women do,
I still think we have a long way to go in the in that regard I think the only way that it.

[18:53] It it changes as a person of faith and certainly as a Latter-Day Saint are the certain standards you have things you joke about things you don’t joke about,
I think with comedians especially in today’s culture it like there is nothing off-limits right like
everyone’s trying to protect push every every limit and as a Latter-Day Saint there are some things that I would never sacred things I would never joke about because of my faith,
and it seems to me that we have a certain level of respect for some religions and and not for all and I think that in this moment of time
Mormons
precious snowflakes in that we can’t take a joke,
having a little because there’s there’s things that are if I heard a joke specially when I go on Twitter Andre people making fun of my face I think
weird fruits you
substitute that word for Muslim would that still be funny you know and I just think that those are important questions that we should ask ourselves so when I approach, D I try to be respectful
of all people they’re still out there without without having to be mean about it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:23] Yeah I mean imagine I can’t imagine another face like the Book of Mormon musical for example I I can’t imagine there cannot be a musical lampooning the Quran.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[20:30] Absolutely.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:39] I mean probably the closest we got the New Testament the music will be like Life of Brian for Monty Python or something like that but that.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[20:47] And I’m not saying that’s my point it’s like you know like can’t we
keep some things in our culture in our society sacred,
that’s the question I miss you but I I think you have to address your earlier question about being the women in comedy things like that I think that that
being a woman being a Latter-Day Saint being a mom all these different layers it gives you just different filters to see the world more specifically right
be able to make comedy in a more specific way which is which is funny the ironic thing is a lot of people in our position and in the position in life that Haley and I don’t have the time
you know, a lot of new TV shows or movies and things like that if that’s best.

Hailey Smith:
[21:44] Well and and we have both paid our dues quite frankly in a lot of,
boys clubs I was coming up in comedy in Provo just,
was for both of us in the early 2000s was mostly men and so we did have to have to get in there and make sure that,
that we were here cuz I know when I first started back in ComedySportz in 2002 I was always somebody’s girlfriend or wife and they decided who I was and when I would talk and it was,
hard,
it was but once they knew that I knew what I was doing and they could see all of a sudden I was allowed allowed to be on equal footing with us it’s not
easy and I think it’s changed for the better mostly but yeah we still have a ways to go.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[22:40] My experience with similar in college Years,
so it was never balanced or equal,
I had a great time and a great experience and I wouldn’t.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:04] Bush was president anything when.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[23:15] Hailey and maclain Nelson
do you want to start a long-form comedy troupe where it’s equal smart
experimental 100% am I in.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:42] And and clothes you want to wear McClain and Jake or your co-stars on the show and I believed in Mclain also direct once I was a beehive so you guys all go back.

Hailey Smith:
[23:51] Yeah and Jake was a producer on once I was a beehive and McClain and Jake played the nerdy Rangers.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:57] Play I’m over that now by the way Jake’s personal website which I happened upon is exciting to say the least if you haven’t Googled his personal website it has a beautiful picture of him.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[24:06] Waiting for us all.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:10] Beautiful picture of him without a shirt that’s quite quite exciting.

Hailey Smith:
[24:12] Oh I’m surprised whenever I see him in a pics in a shirt in a picture so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:19] The man is just running around the Provo Studios shirt.

Hailey Smith:
[24:24] Anything for a laugh. Aladdin know he’s a good kid he’s he’s a he’s a great
avadian the thing that’s the most unnerving about him and I love you Jake van Wagner is that in real life he is always like in control and collected and calm and serious and then he gets on stage and he’s just like,
this is wacky characters and it’s,
I doubt it’s just funny it’s such a transformation it’s like I feel like audiences would think that he’s like how he is on stage all the time but he is mad.

[25:03] Yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:06] You kind of alluded to something what the long form format of the show and I do want like if nobody’s familiar with show-offs that you guys are in your second season right now it’s airing at least right now I believe,
I would think of anybody saw only has improv comedy show on BYUtv and naturally I think the first reference people think of is that it’s a who is lying,
copy more or less but it’s not really that I mean of course improv comedy,
Lisa said it’s long for it’s a lot different for why don’t you guys explain the actual premise in the way show-offs actually works cuz it’s pretty it’s pretty interesting.

Hailey Smith:
[25:38] Yeah well we’ve been wanting to do long form improv on,
kind of on this more of public platform for a while that the question was always just how do we keep the audience engaged and keep them knowing that it is improv and not scripted and so that’s why I for show-offs we brought our host Casey Jost
and he kind of it so we do these long form stories and plays and musicals
but we have Casey and he kind of inserts himself whenever he feels the need and at the way he describes it as he cut he says he watches as,
the audience and he kind of just
inserts what he would most like to see as an audience member and so he’ll just do like a quick short form gate like a like a giving someone a line they have to say or changing their accent or making them do a song in a certain so that’s how he kind of keeps it in that short form world but we’re still we still have the overall story with the character arcs than the beginning middle and end of everything on their toes and engaged.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:43] So how do you go about this let’s have never seen it before how do you create a play.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[26:48] Case of the show starts out where we have three vignettes so everyone’s in six people on stage the four of us who are the the,
permanent members of McLane Jake Haley and myself and then to guest stars actor from LA,
Florida wherever and
so what genre
which one do you want to speak a little remote control
whichever one gets the Hyatt the most votes then
that’s when we do we go backstage we hurry get into hair and makeup costumes change the scenery and then we get out and and we’re all dressed.

[27:58] Really great it’s really
suggestions like maybe the name of the musical genre Golden Age musical or if it’s if it’s
a problem that is plaguing the universe or whatever it is
never starts on stage anyone just walks and starts the scene we all listen from the sidelines and then
it’s our job
to whatever has been placed down I mean it is plastic yes anding plastic it we’re constantly being interrupted by the house to throw a wrench into the works and stay at
you satisfied with it or throw something into it and we know then by listening and watching and by the years and years of improv that we’ve done.

[29:07] We’re going to need to all come together to make a great story to make a beginning middle and end and to be able to
a wrap up what that protagonist wanted and you know it in some unusual way we’ll see what happens and and it’s just so excited because we really don’t know.

Hailey Smith:
[29:29] In addition to that we also have this amazing band this for peace band that they completely improvised all of the music except for the theme song
they will just start song and and Kendra she’s this musical prodigy and she just will kind of tell the rest of the band you know let’s do like a little you know,
1950’s doo-wop number that they just kind of all start playing in sink and that part blows my mind every time
they’ve create these amazing songs I mean we have to try to kind of rice to the level of their Artistry and come up with some lyrics.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:13] On that and that’s what stuff I mean in Providence,
to be quick on your feet but if you’re doing songs at the same time and took it to a whole other level.

Hailey Smith:
[30:21] I would like to tell one story about our friend Will Forte when he was there he after our one of our rehearsals he pulled me aside and he said he said,
he said I just when the music starts playing I just don’t know what to do like it’s so scary like what do you how do you think of words to say and
I guess kind of be an Easter egg for the
Christmas special that he’s doing but I said well sometimes I just kind of you know at it while I’m thinking of words I just kind of go and he definitely took that advice to Heart at one point
in the Christmas special and it was hilarious to watch but it is it is it is a little bit intimidating music starts playing and you’re like.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[31:08] Sorry I just have to jump in there’s no time to think there really isn’t and so that,
it just like what comes out you just know that everyone on their job is to support you and to validate whatever comes out of your mouth which is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:23] One in particular that I loved was the musical about sandwiches,
and particularly near the end when they decided to make it about peanut, butter,
and jelly sandwiches cuz of that sequence is going on I was like oh I hope there’s like a tag at the end when someone gets upset by somebody saying peanut butter sandwiches and somebody jumps in and says I could have peanut,
butter and then they delivered that I was like thank you this is everything as a as a writer by profession I was just thrilled to see someone bother all I needed was someone to mention the Oxford, and song and I would.

Hailey Smith:
[31:56] What’s funny with watching those is,
I never remember what happened and that was one instance where as I was watching it I was like I didn’t even remember that that’s what that I didn’t even Shawn Johnson whenever who sing that song about peanut butter he’s kind of been amazing
improv Lyricist he really does come up,
with such great lyrics so quickly and so it is fun to watch back and catch things that you did not,
notice when you’re out there and and just yeah sometimes I am in awe of my fellow performers what they come up with it’s really fun.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:35] All so fascinating on that episode McClain with his wig on is the spitting image of Jonathan,
what’s the name of Jonathan Rhys not blinking on the guy who is on the American Matthew.

Hailey Smith:
[32:45] Oh yes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:49] Yes the whole episode I was like dude I’m just watching Matthew Rhys right now this is weird.

Hailey Smith:
[32:51] Oh my God.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:56] Speaker.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[32:58] We underestimated when we pitched the show right like the Whigs the Whigs.

Hailey Smith:
[33:06] Everyone is wigs every episode and seasons 2 and 3 because we.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:11] That’s kind of half the fun.

Hailey Smith:
[33:12] Love it so much.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:15] Can you tell me where there is is there like a toughest scene or sequence or play the comes to mind of all the ones you’ve done so far some of the ones when you were standing there giving it your all but you did,
you didn’t I mean I know you don’t always know where you’re going from minute to minute that’s half the fun but if they’re there something you look back on you said man I don’t know how I pulled that one.

Hailey Smith:
[33:31] Yeah.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[33:34] Yes I understand that we that sometimes when you invite someone to come on stage right and I’m I’m being purposefully there,
maybe not comfortable with improv or hasn’t done it that you just want them to be comfortable and to trust you and whenever they just like he trying to do something or or are you,
I think sometimes those moments where I’m like you’re doing the opposite you know just take a deep breath,
it’s we’re going to we’re all in this together it’s okay instead of having them I just feel like they need to shoot out a bazillion things,
and it helped I just I wish we could just pause the show and just say,
we’re going to breathe.

Hailey Smith:
[34:34] Yeah I’d say I definitely that sometimes the gas stay those sometimes they’ll be like during rehearsal
they’re just like everything is going great and then once those lights come on you get the audience in your like whoa did a different person I mean yeah that they’re all very fun lovely people love all of them but,
yeah we definitely sometimes have to I don’t know just be patient and try to listen and guide people and yeah but everyone,
is game for it and that’s what matters.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:04] You coax it you coax it out of them I am fascinated to see that John Rhys-Davies has been on the,
when I saw this was I think that episode by the time we publish Isabel of aired already but,
I think it’s a good example I don’t know him to be an improvisational comedian or actor by trade but perhaps I just don’t know his body of work or was this a pole where you just got like a more less dramatic actor who’s capable of.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[35:30] Now he was such a.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:31] And you Johnny was dropped him in or is he have a great improv background and was a natural fit that one I just knew that.

Hailey Smith:
[35:36] Well he told us that the last time he did improv was 50 years ago at Rada the Royal Academy of dramatic arts and,
I mean working with him,
the whole day I just kept looking over at least I like is this really happening and then he would say things like,
not exactly and he would say he would say things like will the other day I was speaking with my friend Ian and I’m just like you’re free.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:11] He’s referring to like what in McAllen or something.

Hailey Smith:
[36:16] It was just surreal by Eddie and he could not have been more lovely and just some more it’s just willing to
play and just,
all of our guests have been that way all of them none of them have been difficult to work with or rude or inconsiderate I mean they’re all just so humble and so,
wonderful.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[36:38] I’m create that,
pray that I would like to explore more in show-offs of just come and play with us to make you feel comfortable on stage we’re going to have a fun time it’s your
took two planets it’s a it’s really freeing that way and I just tell all your friends.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:10] Lisa that sounds like you’re trying to get us to take LSD.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[37:14] What’s my birthday it’s my.

Hailey Smith:
[37:17] I know right.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[37:18] My version of its all I have you know.

Hailey Smith:
[37:22] The truth is we do get a lot of nose because I think people are mostly afraid of improv improv improv comedy it’s too scary I mean because,
yeah it’s it it can be scary if you don’t have a lot of us doing it you know on like filmed in front of everyone is flat butt.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:50] How does that how does that process work and do your showrunners just start having you have list of people and you will collaborate and then the showrunners of try to go out and get them.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[37:59] Just trying to call and contact who we know and how we know them and Pitch it and yeah,
it’s kind of a fun process and and and frustrating and and yeah cuz who knows so and so what you know,
or asking.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:30] I think you should work really hard to get Richard Dutcher on.

Hailey Smith:
[38:33] Oh my goodness oh has he didn’t prefer for.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:39] I don’t think so I just want to see what happens when you.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[38:43] A couple I work with them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:47] You did.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[38:49] I did so my husband was in Brooklyn.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:06] This is very unprofessional.

Hailey Smith:
[39:07] I don’t know if the network would approve I don’t know I don’t know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:12] That’s your imagine that’s got to be an interesting process.

Hailey Smith:
[39:15] All right I returned a listening.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:18] What the same time like for example you got but you got someone like Will Forte who’s a good nice guy but his body of work might suggest that he’s not a silly on brand but that doesn’t matter in this circumstance.

Hailey Smith:
[39:29] Yeah I think it depends on the level of star I don’t know why I wasn’t involved in all this casting but I do know there were some names that came up with that were like oh yeah for sure okay.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:43] Okay so he needs to be more you’re saying that Richard is not famous enough so we should go with her back up Sterling K Brown.

Hailey Smith:
[39:48] Oh my goodness I would die I love him yeah exactly just just like that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:58] I mean other than I’m always curious about the technical aspects of Productions,
other than I imagine there’s a little bit of of lag time between when you choose what the play is going to be in you go and get hair and makeup and everything for it I’m assuming that’s not as instantaneous as we see it you know when it’s broadcast,
but other than that is the show pretty much in real time or are there sequences that wind up being cut into what we actually see on.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[40:34] It’s just depending on timing that you edit Rochelle says something’s may be taken out or things like that that were in the life,
most of time it’s just a timing issue.

Hailey Smith:
[40:47] Yeah and then they change overs at their counting us down there counting down the minutes backstage we’re trying to hit like every time so between 15 to 20 minutes.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[41:00] Cuz it’s probably.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:03] Especially when you’re not when you’re not driven by actual commercial breaks you know that’s usually what dictates life shows of that nature you’re just trying to power through keep it.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[41:14] Live audience engaged to.

Hailey Smith:
[41:28] And they’re having fun out there band is doing karaoke with them and dance contest in KC and Trends are playing games with them so they they have the audiences have a fabulous time so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:41] Now I haven’t seen with the full spread it but what do you think the ratio is on the various of the genre is the wind up being the The Chosen play is there a dominant one,
that you found so far and 3 Seas.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[41:56] At least I’m not that we noticed that most audiences like yeah you know for it like the initial genres in the beginning that they vote for like people love romantic.

Hailey Smith:
[42:10] Western Scott I think Western was a nomos,
every Vineyard in season 2 like just everyone wants to see the Western and then but then it only got picked what we just did one this last week but
so yeah it is funny but usually if there’s like if one of the opening scenes has a song in it people really like that and so,
it does tend to be Wednesday get picked more.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:36] And do you think that’s because I mean obviously the the broadcast audience is diverse but I’m assuming a lot of your in-house audience is Latter Day Saints just give him the location of filming,
I would guess so do feel like Mormons have a strange proclivity for musicals is what I’m getting I do think that look that affects the voting in a cell.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[42:56] It feels more impressive to have you sing lines than just to say them to I think it’s just like a word in action music people,
yeah that seems to be really impressive so I don’t know it’s interesting and here we just have a good time music.

Hailey Smith:
[43:26] Yeah and then Casey will Casey will do whatever he wants so he’ll put his stick a rap in the middle of a Shakespeare as we seen so,
doesn’t always vote for some of the ones that are favorites so when they do we get thrilled like the
the masterpieces genre or the Shakespeare are not as popular with the audience or they don’t seem to be out for those much I for one those are some of my favorite ones to do.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[43:55] I love.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:58] What do you love so much about those.

Hailey Smith:
[43:59] Well maybe we both love Shakespeare.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[44:05] I mean which with this is what we study this is what we know,
if you don’t like we we were getting we were diving our favorite when we were doing the trillionaires was and we’re,
because we’re interested in them like personally we’ve really deep into them to be able to do that.

Hailey Smith:
[44:42] It is funny to go back we have like a few DVDs are some of the early days of doing these long-form shows and like I was watching one that was a western and we were so serious we were so committed to the genre and keeping it authentic it’s really
add a funny just to watch it in that regard because you know now we know a little bit more of that okay we also have to make it accessible to our audiences and you know like the kids and everyone we can’t just be a tease
yellow elitist like genre. So it’s kind of funny.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[45:17] Well I have an unusual background I know I studied English I was a high school English teacher and did Improv,
just seen a kind of on the side and then studied it and then that became like my love
so I think that is just so interesting when you think that you’re going to go in One Direction but I feel like the more life experience that you have and the more life experience that you own the better that you are an improv so I could say a lot of philosophical things about that,
but it’s been a really great like I have a huge huge gift to have been able to,
to have a have a great improv career I mean it’s just really one of the highlights of my life.

Hailey Smith:
[46:04] Yeah yeah I would Echo that I my background is at BYU I may I,
got my BFA in acting and so yeah I did a lot of very serious theater didn’t really know,
I didn’t do a ton of comedy and then found improv and I had to take a class,
my senior year in college and just fell in love with it immediately and actually was taught improv approaching it from a place of truth and not trying to be funny just
just telling stories and being truthful because that’s where we find comedy right and
when we are trying to be wealthy or funny it doesn’t always resonate with people and so I’m really,
dad just glad that I started out on crabs
start out doing improv kind of for that approach and so I just always love I love long form because you can create these characters that feel real even if they’re in a wacky you know scenarios or he costumes you can kind of have this Foundation,
people that you might someone you might actually know and realize that you could create this Ark this believable Ark for them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:11] Is that where you two met did you meet at BYU or elsewhere.

Hailey Smith:
[47:16] We matched through actually through Lisa’s husband Christopher Clark the amazing director extraordinaire I did a few shows with Chris and then
Lisa and I started watching TV together.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[47:36] Overarm.

Hailey Smith:
[47:38] For JJ Abrams.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:41] You were watching.

Hailey Smith:
[47:43] Alias and lost.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:49] Lots of lens flares lots of lens flares and Miguel.

Hailey Smith:
[47:51] Well I’m back in with a little did we know we were just doing research,
stop but I mean it is really true because you have to have watch that consumed a lot of entertainment in order to turn around and put it out there and what people.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:07] That’s true that’s a good that’s a good point.

Hailey Smith:
[48:09] What is a ballad.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:10] This stuff no it really is imagine if.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[48:13] The books you read the plays you see the TV you watch the movie it’s all stored in there right and and it you never know what aspects of it’ll come out but but I mean I do have done studies that as
if you if you want to be a better writer you should be reading you know and I think that that you can connect that to a lot of different art forms and,
we spend some time doing that for sure,
as well as you know if we had we knew we were having a film Noir show coming up for an Oscar Wilde I’m sure coming up
in a week or two then we would give each other assignments
play story books to read movies to watch different kinds of historical research to do so that we would all just consume it so it would be somewhere.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:14] It makes sense I mean that’s why I have been speaking more snobbish looks I’ve been binge-watching free.

Hailey Smith:
[49:18] Oh I love Frazier I need to watch that again so good.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:23] I figure it’ll be on Netflix going to be on Netflix probably until I don’t know when I know I’m BC’s dropping their own streaming service called peacock.

Hailey Smith:
[49:30] Oh

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:32] They just went,
so might be on there the Glory Days Are streaming.

Hailey Smith:
[49:38] I know no more One Stop shopping.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:44] Did did you actually I don’t know if you saw this today The Herald Provo Herald Herald extra whatever it is in Utah,
released a study that showed based on Google searching for Disney plus interest and Utah by far led the nation in Disney Plus Google query,
because that is Who We Are.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[50:02] That doesn’t surprise me at all,
if you grew up in Utah then it’s like I don’t think you know of other places to go on vacation except
we are at Disney it’s it’s a weird phenomenon.

Hailey Smith:
[50:24] What’s,
funny is I never allowed my children to watch the Disney Channel when they were kids because I didn’t find the shows on their funny and so I I had them watching like
Adventure Time and I like things that I thought were actually legitimately enhancing their comedic education
and so sometimes they’re like stanky mom sometimes I like Mom I don’t know some of these shows these Disney shows that everybody knows I’m like you’re welcome.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:53] It goes over well I’m sure I’m sure.

Hailey Smith:
[50:57] I think overall they’re they’re grateful for their.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:02] I’ll have I’ll have to get a list from you guys I’m still we’re still in the AL Wild Kratts Daniel tiger face and most of my kids so.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[51:09] Got it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:12] Thank you very much Wild Kratts is one of the greatest programs ever made though if you haven’t had the privilege it’s.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[51:17] Yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:19] This program cuz I will plug them all day long.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[51:21] Because we all know Disney’s listening cuz Disney owns the whole world now.

Hailey Smith:
[51:24] That’s true.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:26] Just cuz they bought Fox doesn’t mean they’re going to buy BYUtv I’ve got a good feeling.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[51:31] No

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:33] Have an interest in picking up BYUtv,
I don’t know they might they might want to turn Dwight in shining armor into a violent tv-14.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[51:43] You never know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:44] Anyway I think we can wrap it up there I would like to thank both of you for spending some time with me I thought what we talked about especially about your careers your insides being women in comedy how we,
how we reach out to more positive audiences and positive ways I really have enjoyed the discussion thank you so much.

Hailey Smith:
[52:01] Oh yeah.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[52:02] Thank you thank you for giving us the opportunity to talk about it we loved it Haley and I talked about comedy and just minor things all the time and we want the opportunity to do that and I will just
say it. Final notes to that the way that we can create that and make a space where that is for audiences to want to consume it so when you see an independent movie and and you think I need to go see it opening weekend or if there’s a new show and you’ve heard that it might be funny watch it because people vote
with their remotes and what their movie tickets and
that’s the only way that those things and new things and interesting things can get out there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:44] And if I cannot decide there’s rumor that the Department of Justice is going to rescind the old Paramount rule which prohibits Movie Studios from owning theaters and so you’re talking about Independence Cinema the value of it,
that’s something to be reminded even more extensively because if the Studio’s control the theaters that Independence Cinema will also be on the chopping block so something a berry.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[53:07] It would be a huge loss for us all.

Hailey Smith:
[53:10] Yeah for sure yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:12] Hailey I think you were going to say something before I cut you off.

Hailey Smith:
[53:13] No no I I was said amen to everything that Lisa said thank you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:21] Okay bring it now before we go Haley do you need to like do you need are any grievances with Lisa I want to make sure we get this.

Hailey Smith:
[53:28] Lisa I’m so sad that we don’t get to see each other every day.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[53:32] Not a word from ever.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:35] Okay this is Girls Camp all of it this is not work.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[53:38] Why is the song I’m so mad because you’re so talented and I,
if we can work together more often if we weren’t so busy trying to convince these teenagers that we know something and that we just took care about their Futures that maybe we would have more mental energy to be able to to do more compressed together.

Hailey Smith:
[53:58] And to take on Hollywood that’s what we’d do if we didn’t have teenagers,
they check everything.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[54:07] Nap and then I would take on Hollywood.

Hailey Smith:
[54:12] You heard it here.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:16] I believe Shore season 2 is airing right now I think it’s the season wraps up in December.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[54:24] The BYU TV app.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:28] You can stream it all or nothing season 3 going to probably for me or what in March or so.

Hailey Smith:
[54:32] I don’t know yeah we haven’t been given a date yet but I would imagine sometime
in the spring and yeah are big Christmas special is December 9th it’s an hour long so it’s a super sized show-offs with Will Forte and other special guests and it’s.

Lisa Valentine Clark:
[54:50] Better family life.

Hailey Smith:
[54:52] Yeah it’s going to be really fun yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:54] I’m going to check that out we’re going to do it.

Hailey Smith:
[54:58] Sure thanks so much for having us.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:00] Thank you Haley Smith and Lisa Valentine Clark has been a real pleasure and I we wish you well and all the success in the world.

Hailey Smith:
[55:06] All right thing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:10] I think so love you silly monkeys for tuning in and spending this time with us it’s been a real treat hope you have a terrific week leading into your holiday season and the only join us again next week for another edition of this week in Mormons,
I am Jeff I have spoken this is the way.

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