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EP 456 – Money

[dropcap]G[/dropcap]iven our production schedule the past few weeks, we haven’t actually discussed the big one: the Church’s wealth! In case you missed it, a whistleblower alleged that the Church has mishandled charitable contributions and used them to either build a war chest or bail out other for-profit, Church-owned entities as opposed to spending the charitable contributions on charitable purposes.

The Church is famously opaque about its finances, but that was not always the case. You might have read in passing that Salt Lake used to publish financial reports well into the 20th century, but then stopped sometime in the 1950s or 160s. The presumption is that this was to avoid shedding a light on all of our money. However, that wasn’t the case, as this great op ed explains. It was to avoid embarrassment for being in the red during the McKay era due to spending so much money on international expansion. The tradition has continued, but at this point, for what purpose? Who is benefiting from caginess about money? We don’t need to know everything, but perhaps some greater detail would take away the mystery and the bogeyman in the process.

For its part, the First Presidency released a statement that largely said nothing new, and Newsroom also published an article purporting to explain how Church funds are used, but it was also (perhaps predictably) bereft of detail. If you want to see that lack of detail in video form, enjoy below.

There’s actually been news not related to the Church having a portfolio half the size of Apple’s cash on hand! The Gay Men’s Chorus of Washington performed at the Washington, D.C. Temple visitors center as part of the beloved Festival of Lights celebration. This seems like a perfectly good thing, right? Ecumenism! Outreach! New friendly relationships! Well, many of you on Facebook did not think so, and that makes us sad.

In temple news on the other side of the country, the Salt Lake Temple is now closed for about four years to undergo the largest, most extensive renovation in its history. As one might expect, there are many couples who  have wanted to wed in the historic building, which resulted in a major crunch of weddings leading up to the temple’s closure. One bride even reserved the temple before even being engaged!

Also in Utah, a man claiming to be frustrated with the gentler sex’s refusal to pay him the attention he feels he deserves decide to run around in the Logan Utah Temple with an ax. Neat.

This is more Latter-day Saint-adjacent, but Utah has interesting liquor laws. Like many states, Utah controls how much hard liquor can be sold in supermarkets, restricting the sale of most beverages to state-run liquor stores. Because of a change in law that rendered moot the State’s own supply of beer, the government was forced to destroy thousands of gallons of suds. Thousands!

Sadly, a senior missionary serving in the Nauvoo Illinois Mission died in a car crash on Christmas day.

Earlier this year, the Church reversed its policy that severely restricted the ability of children of LGBT couples to be baptized. And there was much rejoicing. Quietly, however, in a Handbook 1 update to reflect that change, the Church also overturned a longstanding prohibition on the children of polygamist families from being baptized. Now, all involved need merely be eight years old and have parental permission. Mom says no? Go to Mom. Or the other Mom.

Also, this tweet from Billionaire Magazine (a real entity with an awful, awful website) is real:

Neat.

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Transcript

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:00] Hello everyone and all Lang Syne as the year winds down this weekend Mormon says goodbye to 2019 and is prepared to ring in 2020,
it’s a bell LG everybody I wanted to I wanted to close out the year with us what’s up dude how you doing.

Al Doan:
[0:19] I did I did I offered my services and suggested I and the right one to be in the seat on the 29th of December,
it’s been a heck of a year though man like I was I was talking to my wife personally,
it’s been a big year and and it’s one of those were like I feel like this year has crawled by this year has taken an eternity to get through this was not a fast year for me,
you.

[0:48] Fly by or or when you think back to January and January I was at Space Camp.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:53] I’m so sad.

Al Doan:
[0:54] Space camp feels like forever.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:56] What’s biscuit belloq that does seem like a long time ago cuz I remember the Black Friday special for space camp that you tried to get me to commit to do yeah I remember.

Al Doan:
[1:02] Yeah and you wouldn’t and it was an amazing amazing time you little love.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:07] It looked delightful it look very very fun.

Al Doan:
[1:10] I just wanted to go to space camp solely so I can go home and and start of a conversation with like sorry I wasn’t here at the last meeting I was at space camp can you catch me up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:20] Otherwise Christmas was everything good good Christmas.

Al Doan:
[1:25] It’s right I had a I had a child this was a second Christmas he’s old enough to appreciate,
a gift or two now and we we erred what I should have done is gotten,
two things one one big thing and then a little like action figure and he would have been super stoked,
I’d like 10 things for him to get through and there was a little fatigued by the end which I was not anticipating and it’s we’re wrapping These Hoes like this is going to be a lot for this dude and it was,
but yeah pretty good time we’re trying to figure out like traditions and stuff for our self,
our family we always do a big Christmas Eve thing and we did it like a week early so that everybody could have their stuff at home with everybody or with their own families,
to me and my wife for like we don’t have anything to do on Christmas Eve what will our tradition be so,
we really we we just played basketball against each other on the Xbox and she may or may not have beat me with the Golden State Warriors from two years ago and so it’s not I mean there should be an ass.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:29] That’s that’s fair that’s that should have.

Al Doan:
[2:31] 9 Allstars on that team are you kidding me the Jazz just couldn’t hold up and sell,
how about you being a good Christmas.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:41] Shocking news.

Al Doan:
[2:43] Good Christmas great time.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:45] Yeah it was good fun with the little ones are two-year-olds was finally got ahold enough to it to get it a little bit more I think next year once they get to their third Christmas when they really grasp,
but the other kids had a good time it was fun I to try to think of what traditions to do I know we tried I think we read some stories with them and watch the Nativity video and some stuff like that
we did have Christmas Eve at some friend’s house that was pretty funny actually played a lot of interesting games and got to see some of their Traditions which was a lot of.

Al Doan:
[3:12] We have the we have the sister missionaries come over on Christmas day cuz they get to watch a movie a Disney movie and so I.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:19] Which war was the choice.

Al Doan:
[3:20] So we put Tangled on on the home theater that I built in the basement with like,
the nine point to point to Dolby Atmos surround entangled has never sounded so good.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:35] And you were probably watching a DVD copy of it like a Gomer.

Al Doan:
[3:38] No is the Disney plus until we had half the half the output that we needed to fill all the speakers but still,
it was incredible to see on the big screen Tangled if you haven’t seen it run out now pay the 699 and watch it it is a treat.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:55] Number one should never pay $7 to rent Tangled in this day and age 2.

Al Doan:
[3:59] It’s for the whole month to get Disney plus Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:01] Oh that yes restroom Tangled is better than Frozen.

Al Doan:
[4:04] I’m a shareholder in Disney just a disclaimer I don’t know if I have to say that I have six chairs that’s right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:11] I think I own some Disney stock a few years ago I sold it.

Al Doan:
[4:14] You should have waited now is the time.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:15] You want to know how many shares of Apple stock I own 1 1.

Al Doan:
[4:23] I hate.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:24] It’s not a lie I own one share of Apple stock.

Al Doan:
[4:26] Good good if it quadruples you alone still one and it’ll be worth a little bit neither here nor there all right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:35] So the big you know what’s happening Latter Day Saint news but I think we can get out in front of the,
the biggest one by far and the way that our show production schedules panned out we have not yet discussed and that is the church’s got all kinds of money the church has got a lot of Apple stock that’s what I’m assuming folks.

Al Doan:
[4:54] This was a weird this was a weird one to wake up to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:59] The story of the story dropped the same night that the sisters were recording their podcast so didn’t make the cut in the last week we did our very touching and moving Christmas Story here we are
a few weeks removed that’s giving us time to digest hopefully not too just issue a knee-jerk reaction to it right right right right so.

Al Doan:
[5:20] Yeah so it was it was interesting,
the article that drops essentially says there was a whistleblower who used to work at was it n signed funds or ensign,
trading something is subsidiary of the church where the church puts its money they’re the wealth management firm for the church,
the owned Holy by the church and so they’re they’re filed a whistleblower complaint with the IRS alleging that the church had a bunch of money there and was Miss handling it,
and so there’s there’s a few things that are interesting I mean one of the Whistleblower,
whistleblowers are not bad we shouldn’t villainize them for getting a reward but that The Whistleblower is entitled to 30,
like 30 or 40% of whatever is recovered by the IRS if that’s how they incentivize people to risk their careers and come forward,
so so you know there’s a lot of people I mean it was interesting when the article the article drop saying hey here’s what’s going on and they sort of wrote it in the light that’s like,
like the church the church has made a huge mistake they’ve got a hundred billion dollars sitting in the bank account and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:39] It Was Written like a hit piece.

Al Doan:
[6:41] Yeah a little bit until I have this I mean Ascension because I read it I found a link on Twitter somebody to put it out there I read it not I am and it was like a big deal for me it was like a little bit of a of a waiting thing.

[6:55] I’ve actually I mean it’s funny because,
anytime any time that I get my news or or like church conversations from social media I always have this like,
crap experience with it like literally every conference I’ll I’ll love the talks right I love them and then I get on Twitter and you know you spend an hour on there and I end up hating half the toxin as like cash dang it.

[7:23] Freaking Oaks what a jerk in these guys all I got so insensitive and everybody’s like pulling apart a word or two here and there and then just like villainizing all these,
all these are things that I had great spiritual moments with an hour before,
but because I let the frothiness of social get going,
end up having like a bad experience with in it it’s really turn me off I like I can’t do the live-tweeting with General Conference anymore Jeff holds,
holds that Lantern and keeps going like I just have to turn it all off and isolate myself so I can have a spiritual experience and then come back into it so is this it came through social,
everybody super pissed they can’t believe it how dare you how dare they have this money,
and any kind of I mean I had a couple of reactions right one I was a little bit proud of the church was like yeah way to go guys that are Bill man that you’re doing some work right,
so now I mean they’re almost like their income is more per capita by dramatic margin from like the Catholic Church which I was like yeah you didn’t write more.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:32] They’ve got good people managing the funds I mean as far as making good calls it seems that we are choosing wisely.

Al Doan:
[8:39] And then and then my other reaction like to I was out of a little bit of kind of upset man of like,
you know it’s it’s weird to think that that you’re you know all the sudden your tithing is framed in the light of life,
just goes in a huge pot we’re just sitting on a pile of cash in like,
you made it maybe they did maybe they were you know they had to loan themselves some money to do the city creek thing and where they
I mean technically that’s illegal and so they’re embezzling from themselves and this other guy I like is this stuff happening and it’s just like a kind of Faith shaking,
moment for me a little bit and attention if you think back in the history of the church man the church has had a ton,
of weird money moments right we we were Joseph Smith started a general store in Nauvoo,
and just,
took all the inventory and gave it to people that needed it and like would beat his family with it and so the General Store went bus you can’t make money when you don’t charge people anything until that went bust and I was all tithing funded and they had a bank
they went bust a couple banks went bust a issued their own currency they went bus could you imagine being a member of the church while a currency issued by your church then goes belly-up and like,
you lose your fortunes from it and stuff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:00] And the Kirtland are the safety Society was a huge it was a huge Fiasco people left the church over it I mean it wasn’t just like a bug that sticks I mean this resulted in a major issue in church.

Al Doan:
[10:12] The finances and politics Will Shake but like they ruin a relationship and so here you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:17] Incidentally is a quick side are you can actually see some of the original coins and promissory notes at the Smithsonian Museum of American History right now.

Al Doan:
[10:23] Nice.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:25] That’s fun they got mad when I took a picture but really wasn’t allowed.

Al Doan:
[10:28] So

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:29] I got yelled at.

Al Doan:
[10:30] What’s what’s up like I got to think back and see like me and there’s a there’s any time that the church is sort of had a run-in with money,
you know that it’s you can appreciate how testimonies could be shaken and some of this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:51] Oh I’m not driving to church for 3 weeks.

Al Doan:
[10:54] But but what about this what about this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[10:57] Call Vista.

Al Doan:
[10:58] So so I mean it real quick on the on the money piece the the way the math breaks down as they taken 7 7 billion a year from tithing,
6 billion of that go to paying for the operations of the church and they put 1 billion dollars away in a savings account starting in like 1996-97,
that that has accrued so you,
now you’re talkin 20 some years over the course that time that it’s grown at a 69% rate which is it is good not great but good,
and that and that accrues into about a hundred billion dollars so way to go way to be saving and Frugal and you invested in normal money market accounts and your money grow,
that’s awesome it’s exactly what they preach to their members befrugal safe or rainy day all that kind of stuff
and you can appreciate the pile of money that they’re sitting on because 50 years ago the church was not in a Super Sound Financial State and you have a lot of a lot of the,
presidency are the members of the Quorum of the twelve and and you can search residency are they they would have some PTSD from that so I’m sure there’s not there’s a part of them that’s like good we’re safe we’re going to put ourselves in a good position.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:16] That’s an important thing to remember that we have that we have not always.

[12:20] Done well financially but then that goes as recently as the 1950s for example I mean one of the great pieces I read.

[12:28] Biotin or that one could buy Nathan bee Omen who is a Lucy’s a Professor William and Mary Law School William and Mary is over in Virginia Williamsburg active in the church but he explained some of the history of that,
we hear a lot about old church history about being in the red turn-of-the-century the back in the 50s during the era of vast International expansion we’re and deficits,
to do so and it was around then the church stopped publicising or some publishing about,
the church’s finances not to hide the wealth but to hide the embarrassment of not,
not using money effectively essentially I could be still being in debt in the sixties even that recently that it wasn’t until the leadership of a n Eldon Tanner establish three principles,
for the church to function by so in a first was it an annual expenditures would never exceed revenues. Second we would never take on debt which we’ve heard about a lot and it’s third each year portion of the Church of Revenue will be placed in a rainy day fund and so this this dates back to the
60s and 70s when they established a sword to think and the the thing is what this article is arguing is it doesn’t benefit the church anymore
to be secretive cuz we were quote-unquote secretive in the first place to avoid embarrassment about how we were screwing up with our money,
and now we’re so secretive because we don’t want to show how much money we have when we could potentially disclose some more basic statements at the very least.

Al Doan:
[13:55] I agree with that I think I think that,
transparency would solve a lot of this than the problem I mean it’s it’s interesting because if they were Miss managing their money everywhere they would point to them and say,
this church is a Croc look at them is managing their money they manage it well everybody points to him and says they’re doing they’re doing it wrong like they shouldn’t be doing it right and so by not having transparency you know they don’t have to they don’t have to really,
answer to anyone right like they get to sort of move on on a whim and if a billion dollars goes towards some other thing at least inflexible to sort of be responsive to whatever they want,
so I can see the draw to not being transparent but also little transparency,
man weave we beg for this for years every time they do the audit report words like may give us give us a little something just to have an idea of what’s in there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:49] Can’t wait to see that one in April by the way I’m sure nothing new will come.

Al Doan:
[14:51] But it but it saves I mean,
yeah I can appreciate why there why they’ve done it this way for so long and it’s going to be a hard drug to sort of let go of of like starting to answer A and B expose their,
but there’s that they’re not going to win either way right I mean the fact that people are is outraged over the fact they have a great savings account as they would be if they were like,
completely tanking is bizarre but like not to be surprised that so so yeah so the,
they manage the man some money pretty well it damn done outstanding at it they’ve got some in there but the church has never had a spot they’ve never been in a situation where there had to say how much is too much how much at what point at what point is it our responsibility start spending it out,
or do we continue to save I’m sure like with,
you know that the growth percentage is slowing right there’s the church is still growing but it’s not growing at the percentage in the clip they were there’s a there’s a chance that like you know there,
they’re expecting Financial Times to be hard in the years to come and maybe the Lord is revealed that you know where the seven years of feast and the 7 years of famine are coming in which case they’d continue to,
I’ll send that money up.

[16:11] But yeah I mean at some point there’s like a threshold with it any excess that they can generate beyond that there should be you know they’ll have to set a threshold to say our responsibility now is to spend this in responsible way on,
programs and things that can support people that might need it like there,
that it opens up another mission of the church from like not just the welfare but like actively pouring money into philanthropies or like into Charities and stuff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:39] So I think we’re talkin about good things we’re also talking around with a bigger issues and that is whether or not regardless of what good we do with the money and how well we manage it in terms of the health of the money or the funds,
are we concerned that the church unwittingly or other still violated tax law.

Al Doan:
[16:58] They may have it this entity is is audited by like one of the big four I forget which one that’s the KPMG or Deloitte,
it’s like they are audited by these guys,
I would I would be surprised that the church was liable for any of it with I mean that’s one of the benefits you get from having your financials out it is theirs,
there’s a little bit of protection there but you know it in the event in the event that they did I.

[17:28] I mean it’s such an interesting thing cuz money money is so different in my elegant taste different as a,
as I consider it with my testimony of like if they did something illegal with the money meaning they take charitable donations like non-tax donations and use that for a for-profit entity like at City Creek,
which we were promised that they wouldn’t Gordon B Hinckley was very,
very proactive say no tithing funds are supporting this is investment funds that we’ve had that,
you know we’re just looking to grow in a good investment to help Salt Lake be better and it has me Salt Lake downtown is much better. I have to pick say,
I like there’s some dude that thought that that you know maybe they were issuing themselves a quick loan to pay back which isn’t it illegal,
but they just didn’t do the paper trail riding somebody screwed up in like the figure it out and get back on top and which case we should be really glad that The Whistleblower came forward you should and should not be,
I mean that the he’s taking a lot of flack or a lot of people just very critical of his intentions and what he’s doing and,
you know if he can help fix some stuff and get it cleaned up like that we should we should be very very excited about that but it still man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:49] Adele hit it something when we first started out the yes The Whistleblower does stand to gain financially,
butt butt huge butt,
people think he’s just in this for the money he received nothing unless after investigating the complaint the IRS deemed it valid and essentially says yeah the church broke the law and only then would he actually get,
a cut and as you said all that’s because he’s risking his professional reputation because you become a pariah when you’re a whistleblower within your.

Al Doan:
[19:20] Not a lot of people are looking to put you back in there mix thinking that you might.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:23] You’re not you’re not going to work.

Al Doan:
[19:25] You might profits here on them yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:27] And the idea is like okay with your competition comes from doing right by the law and getting something but none of that will come his way unless the government deems it a valid complaint and of the church actually aired or broke the law doing so,
and so it’s Mike’s people say it’s all about the money but like whether he is or isn’t it,
like regardless he gets nothing unless the government decided that we were wrong and that with the $12 call of Faith was not honored basically in this instant
and like I said we might have done this accidentally if we did I do know that some of the tax law and interpretations there of when it comes to whether funds accepted for charitable purposes have to be reinvested for charitable purposes and not just stashed away
there’s there’s some disagreement about that but that’s one of the other are,
the date that they said all they said they’re just taking the money holding it when it supposed to be basically one-for-one you received a bunch of money for tithing and four reason good you have to send that back out
for those purposes not for for profits or investment portfolios but actually help people and it’s good.

Al Doan:
[20:29] What when there’s no there’s no time frame for that ride that’s where that’s where the gray area comes from his the intention is there but if they’re doing it on a 20-year cycle or 30 or cycle or one of your cycle nobody said exactly when the other,
the other piece that the struggle for me is like you know you’re you’re young men’s budget for activities for the years $50 right it’s like,
you son of a bitch like give me,
I’m trying to like keep these kids active in like in like you know socially engaged in the church down the street is building a bowling alley and I got $50 to buy Otter Pops what,
are you what are you doing like give us some of this money to go every time you’re cleaning the church on a Saturday morning it’s like,
we do a crappy job you really should give us a janitor for this like that would be way cooler than be a great way to spend some cash but also are we learning some things.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:26] I don’t need to learn anything I’ve I’ve I feel.

Al Doan:
[21:28] People have service experiences with that I don’t but like I just hated every time I have to go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:35] I feel like the 25-year experiment of having the members clean the buildings themselves has more mostly been a failure I don’t think we take care of it like we.

Al Doan:
[21:44] We’ve seen the buildings can last 25 years with almost notes care or maintenance.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:49] And that speaks of how wonderfully they are constructed so good for them but,
but but nobody’s feel like we’ve talked about this a lot and some of my bishopric in ward council meetings where it’s just like the are building we say just not being careful as it needs to like when people are coming to clean on the weekends when it’s Awards turn like there’s a stuffed it slipping through the cracks.

Al Doan:
[22:08] Are you vacuum a little bit with a crappy vacuum you wipe down the drinking fountains and then like spray through the toilets and you’re done you go that’s it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:17] And it’s just and I’ve seen or heard what does it differently some you ask for volunteers and nobody shows up some words rotate the alphabet in the sign family to come do it
I do think that exposing was of the church’s actual assets are a hundred billion whether they are more likes it is 30 odd billion as some other analyses have alleged,
I think we can pay for professional care for Army.

Al Doan:
[22:40] What’s up what is there 35000 meeting houses right in two.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:43] Especially because we do it more abroad I mean a Broadway employee more people to try to be in at more of an economic engine.

Al Doan:
[22:51] What’s a 1 janitor can handle for meetinghouses.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:57] I mean I just died I think that’s one of the ones words like guys.

Al Doan:
[23:00] At $50,000 I mean you need like 8,000,
janitor suspending a half billion dollars a year in salaries in order to clean the buildings you know that’s that takes you from using 6 billion out of 7 that you take into the using 6 and 1/2 right like it’s a it’s a big difference man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:18] Yeah it is.

Al Doan:
[23:19] Until it’s a like that’s just to clean the building so you can appreciate the scale that were there were working with there’s a lot of like we should do a lot of this other stuff differently and,
yada yada yada there’s also like I can appreciate squirrels some of that away and saving it man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:37] Yeah I’d rather I’d rather just pay the janitors on this,
I don’t feel like I’m drawing closer to the Lord by I mean the other thing is we’re pushing so much on families being with being families and it was church activities and programs,
not getting in the way of family time now obviously your family time can be coming to Cle.

Al Doan:
[23:55] All right I feel like you’re focusing on the cleaning the buildings and not the hundred billion but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:59] And that can be a ride the wave.

Al Doan:
[24:03] The wave.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:04] I just I don’t think it’s got to stir the one of this is a little more glib but the fact that we have this much money and the justserve.org is such an atrocious experience is an excuse.

Al Doan:
[24:17] Now that just happens because the church can’t run a product team and doesn’t know how to develop websites and so we’re all asked to support this really crappy crappy experience on the internet as though we believed in and it’s just not ever going to work.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:32] I know you’ve almost ruined jesser for me but the more we talked about it and it comes up in meetings in meetings all being it like what we can just use just serve and I’m like sitting there like the elitist like rolling my eyes like.

Al Doan:
[24:44] What if they did it if they did it right people wouldn’t like there’s people of every faith that would go there to use it actually worked.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:50] Huge I think that’s a whole other topic why are by Lorde Latter-Day Saints are so bad Interfaith Outreach I that’s we do it a little bit but we could do more of it.

Al Doan:
[25:02] What’s funny it’s funny man what so sort of leaving leaving this if we’re okay to leave it there is another,
there’s an article you put up around the gay men’s chorus came and performed at the DC Visitor Center.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:13] Yes they did yesterday.

Al Doan:
[25:14] And which would you look at you say man that’s so great,
that is awesome right like like it’s or breaks down some of the some of the misconceptions people have about Mormons of you know we’re not inclusive in the loving and and you know like that there’s not room for gay people in in r,
religion which is a stigma we’re trying very hard to overcome in like have not be the case,
and we post that up on our Facebook man in the comment just make your heart sink right there’s just so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:44] I was shocked with some of the people were saying when we share this.

Al Doan:
[25:46] Bigoted terrible people that are in our religion that is so sad.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:52] I guess I shouldn’t be surprised but I just expected more of like cool what a great thing what a nice piece of Outreach that’s wonderful.

Al Doan:
[26:00] What’s so funny man because like because the I gave her,
I give it talk I don’t know if I talked about this last I was on here when I get I gave it talk on the signs of the second coming and,
you know I lived I lived for a long time and like fear of what was going to come fear was my motivator in church you know,
you were you were either going to hell or else Christ was going to, you were going to be burned up and like you got to do what’s right otherwise,
X Y and Z is going to happen in like is the fear sort of leaves you as you grow up it has to be replaced by love right like the reason we go to church anymore you and I Jeff is not because,
we’re afraid of mom and dad getting mad or were afraid of you know,
not getting all the boxes ticked off before we get to heaven and Peter being super pissed with that is us at those Pearly Gates it’s like no like I don’t believe that that’s how this goes down at all I think it like,
God will look at us as people and we’re here having this Human Experience trying to build faith and stuff but,
but the idea that like that like we are missing out on the.

[27:17] On the opportunity to actually be motivated by love and and love people is like,
so much of the church is just missing that I feel like my parents age of people often times or stuck in the spot where they’re still motivated by fear that,
the let’s prep let’s prep stuff is still it’s the little things are what I was giving this talk on,
signs of the second coming I went through I read the whole list is like none of these are a surprise to any of us right there like now and I was like you got to think that the whole purpose of this church is not so that we have,
a Year’s worth of food and we will live a year longer than everybody else and then die right this is not the purpose of food storage and why this there’s a there’s a principle around this in our church.

[28:07] That can’t be it there’s no we don’t get any points for living three months more than everybody else and not dying when they all died and then dying later,
I think there’s something about having having plenty in and not stressing about when bad things happen and having enough to share with your neighbors always and like,
nephew not like building up building up the supplies that you can be frugal in and deliver it and your consumption like there’s principles here that are absolutely,
yeah like christ-like principles but the point of it isn’t how much flour you’ve got under your bed frame at home,
and and with that with that sort of mentality right you come into you come back into the everyday of the church and it’s like man,
guys I appreciate what you’re trying to do with like making sure only the right people are,
believing in Jesus but you’re doing that wrong right like there’s you don’t get any awards if you kept all the gays,
from being from being feeling like they were accepted and loved like you don’t get any high fives in heaven for that none,
the point of this is to love people in like learn how to love people with different views different beliefs in like if you can’t practice that in this religion,
cash out like we’ve missed the entire Point we’ve missed the whole thing is be devastating.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:27] And like I get it’s a contentious issue.

Al Doan:
[29:29] Why is it a good thing it’s not.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:31] I know it shouldn’t be but like people see I mean some of the comments you know people saying like the choirs unworthy to be at the temple even The Visitor Center I’d like to know it’s a visitor center the whole point of The Visitor Center to say hey everyone who’s not of our faith or believe or lifestyle or any.

Al Doan:
[29:44] What are in their human’s right if if it was if it was a homeless choir of heroin addicts and they still have a place to come and try and praise the Lord.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:55] Or even beyond that what if it’s a choir of a,
what if you see a choir of like Institute Institute members you know young single adults and what if some of the kids in the choir because there’s not like a recommend check on the choir what is kids in those are struggling what if some of them have Word of Wisdom problem.

Al Doan:
[30:12] What if they’re whoremongering on the weekends Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:15] What if they are sexually active in some way and they’re working through that or they just don’t care I’m not condoning the behave.

Al Doan:
[30:21] Hopefully we got some jerky high priest it’s going to show up and try and clear all that out.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:26] Yeah,
we would never say anything about them because the choirs just called Williams to go to The Institute choir of blah blah blah oh they must be amazing because if this choir wasn’t labeled you know the gay men’s chorus of Washington just called like Men’s Chorus of washing.

Al Doan:
[30:42] Everything I know about the gay men’s chorus of any where’s that they have like their beautiful voices they stinks.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:48] Yeah it’s it’s it’s Grand at the bottom line is like this is a wonderful Outreach opportunity and the DC Visitor Center of all places the Festival of Lights at a huge Community event I mean when they have a when they have a kickoff for an apostle shows up they have
plenty of people from the Interfaith community and just a gent the political Community come,
to honor the DC Temple cuz it’s such a landmark and like to say this this is like almost arguing like okay,
so when the temples rededicated next year are you going to say every member of the gay men’s chorus of DC can’t go on a tour of the temple during the open house.

Al Doan:
[31:21] No no logic is clear Leaf lot of these bigoted.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:24] It’s stupid it’s a frustrates me to no end like I get it that you don’t have to accept.

Al Doan:
[31:29] What’s what’s crappy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:30] Sexuality the Eternal plan whatever.

Al Doan:
[31:32] Scrappy is we’re preaching to the choir here,
Patricia’s acquired because it’s I mean it’s such a small subset like you go you go on your ward and like everybody is is of the same mind and then there’s two,
old guys just really believe like if they don’t speak out and say it how they see it that there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:54] The thing is it’s not old guys I mean this other people, take me to our page our page to use Millennial broadly speaking I would say and it’s like.

Al Doan:
[32:01] All column homeschoolers alright those those other ones.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:07] I called them all to repentance recognize and I too need to be called to repentance myself.

Al Doan:
[32:12] No but this is this is the kind of stuff that like me and you just it hurts so badly because you want like we’re not arguing that they need to be that they need to be baptized are given recommends were arguing.
the way Christ would treat them is with a hug hug hug every single one of them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:29] It’s God’s children come and sing.

Al Doan:
[32:32] Yep and that’s me and that’s what you want our reaction to be but just not it’s getting better.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:39] Speaking of another Temple let’s talk about one that is closed as of today,
the blood Salt Lake Temple my friends going down for 4 years for Mega renovation that’s going to even expose the foundations as a seismically retrofit the structure and add some stuff and rejigger the whole annexes they’re basically gutting a
half of Temple Square and redoing this whole thing.

Al Doan:
[33:00] Are they going to change the above ground piece.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:04] Part of it yeah when they announce the plan so if you’ve been to the temple in the past you’ve probably seen that I want to hear the north side of it,
the actual main Temple structure,
near the ground level part of it but doubt where they have some sealing rooms are added at some point probably I think probably in the renovation in the 90s for the Centennial I don’t if you don’t I’m talking about Al but if you,
those pictures don’t show this off but if you look down on the view from the north side you’ll see that they’re going to demolish those but I think they’re going to rebuild them in some capacity to make use of the spa.

Al Doan:
[33:37] I feel like we should build a second Salt Lake Temple going the Crossways and turn it into some sort of a big Bastion of granite part did.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:49] No either I’d say I’m going to take you one further don’t just have one temples perpendicular to one another actually make the new perpendicular part cross the temp,
into an ex.

Al Doan:
[34:00] Yes yes yes we agree this is really.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:03] Yes for the first time in forever.

Al Doan:
[34:06] You should be the architect.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:08] Thank you as far as other stuff by the way you can see above ground Temple itself should just be that but then they’re demolishing
all the other buildings you seen from the annex the chapel that the holster all that stuff is going away their opening it up quite a bit they’re getting rid of the walls around Temple Square right they’re replacing it with a fence and more pathways.

Al Doan:
[34:26] Chain link fence.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:27] An I spent a nice turkey fence it’ll probably that.

Al Doan:
[34:30] Weather Tomales you the north the North Chapel.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:35] Yeah basically everything you know that’s not the temple proper.

Al Doan:
[34:38] The Visitor Center John.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:40] The South Visitor Center is gone.

Al Doan:
[34:41] Joseph Smith Memorial Building John Church office building.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:45] Yes family history Library gone quite a bit we have an article about we can wait to hear if you want anymore.

Al Doan:
[34:53] Yeah I’d like to link to it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:54] For the building to be kind of cool when you get your recommend cuz the way they’ve done it is a recommend escoba Subterranean with a skylight above it so you’ll see the temple looming above you as you go in but the bigger Point here the temples no closed goodbye,
as you might imagine the Salt Lake Temple is very popular for the married set in that those who wish to Wed inside of its hallowed walls,
and there’s been a bit of a rush to Wed and the Salt Lake Temple so much so,
if I’m not mistaken I believe there are girls who reserved Temple sealing slots without even being engaged.

Al Doan:
[35:27] They lead the the article that was her name Allison or Alex Alexis or Southern would like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:37] Alexis Anderson.

Al Doan:
[35:37] She reserves the slot of the temple to get sealed even though she is not engaged that’s feels like such a baller Utah girl move or it’s just like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:46] It feels like a I feel like a turn-of-the-century Jennifer.

Al Doan:
[35:48] It’s like when you said a baptism date without anybody to be baptizing like faith is going to pull this one through.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:54] It’s like when the stick want you to set up baptismal goal for your ward for the month.

Al Doan:
[35:58] If you say okay I’m going to do it on faith and you say I’m getting married in the Salt Lake Temple because of vein reasons where I just went to
I just want to get married this nice place that I’ve always dreamed of so I’m going to take these vein reasons and tie them to the Lord having to come through in my behalf so I can get it he loves when you do that by the way so keep it up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:20] By the way real quick aside I want to go back to this I just received an email from the elders Quorum presidency asking if my family is available to clean the chapel coming shortly.

Al Doan:
[36:27] Just just reply and save 100 billion.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:33] Just know that I would say that just like to the article or the ordain janitors.

Al Doan:
[36:39] I got you a little place to pay for it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[36:41] Anyway yeah so I probably have had a rush of people trying to get married in the Salt Lake Temple while they can.

Al Doan:
[36:48] If you think about a band that if the market for I mean if you take 3% out which is which you can beat that ever you’re going to make 6% the market on average you have to press,
inflation I like to take 3% of your ticket 3 billion dollars a year in profit from this investment that’s what you want to clean the church with you not taking any of the principal.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:08] Oh you’re back on that okay.

Al Doan:
[37:09] Oh my gosh.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:10] I’m talking about how it now where are they going to get married in Utah Al Oquirrh Mountain.

Al Doan:
[37:15] Saratoga Springs Payson and we’re not driving to Payson Ogden Provo Orem.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:18] Not even done yet not pacing it I mean the closest ones will be draped Draper or Jordan River or Bountiful.

Al Doan:
[37:27] Yeah none of those.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:28] I don’t know I don’t know which one of those Trump’s interns of the zeitgeist.

Al Doan:
[37:32] Which is the nearest one with a live session still.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:35] Man ties the only other one with a live session so both the both the nearest and the only and Manti.

Al Doan:
[37:37] Can’t I hold on did the Logan the Logan doesn’t do on a live session.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:44] NovoLog in temples kind of sad place.

Al Doan:
[37:46] If they did do a live session the axon the wall would be such a Satan move.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:52] What are you talking about.

Al Doan:
[37:53] There is actually another story this dude this dude felt bad because no women would love him and until he breaks into the Logan Temple put Xanax in the wall and breaks a bunch of glass
and gets arrested I don’t know I want that’s going to be the most exciting night for the security guard in Logan Temple Bar None ever,
he is he’s just all the sudden finds a Shining Moment the check Nicholson characters running through the Halls like where is she where’s the Joker,
and if you were walking through the temple when it was closed that would be an eerie big building to run through.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:35] Yeah it would so I guess is a deranged fellow a broke into the temple and went cray cray.

Al Doan:
[38:42] He did he really did.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:43] You know it could be a blessing in disguise house.

Al Doan:
[38:47] Just try to get this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:51] We know that the logo.

Al Doan:
[38:53] For Logan.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:54] I mean if we’re redoing Salt Lake st. George is also now closed for an extensive refurb it might not be until those are done,
but if you know your history of the Logan Temple,
it is not inside similar to what other Pioneer forebears it is a relic of the seventies they gutted the whole thing of the 70s it was mostly an issue,
adjust capacity I guess it would drove it there was a fire in the temple in the early nineteen hundreds but they were stored it and it was still a progressive Pioneer like Temple U know what’s up for a long time,
president McKay talked about changing it so it could accommodate the the new video that they started using in the 50s that first one DS Switzerland Temple was dedicated,
so then I got to the seventies and they decided okay we’re going to do this primarily.

Al Doan:
[39:40] Everybody made so many bad decisions in the seventies man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:44] The funny thing was originally they wanted to pretend we got the temple and change the inside so I could hold more people because the Salt Lake Temple and the Logan Temple were the only temples,
in the area I’m back then Utah still only had like the four temples in the Pioneer era
and there were three our weights just do an endowment session for example so they still they talked about doing this before they built the Ogden temple they still built the Ogden temple but the the waiting issue remained at Logan So eventually the main reason they gutted the whole inside,
was just a increase capacity by something by like 75% I read so those that that’s a real gain but the loss was they just,
they just took it all away even some of the original Pioneer murals that are actually in storage we had the trash and we took them out.

Al Doan:
[40:32] Show some foresight.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:33] And put them in a safe place.

Al Doan:
[40:34] We said we’re going to make some bad decisions but we we don’t want to hurt everything,
I think we’ve all been there where it’s like listen I’m going to lock the door I’m going to lock the door before I go on this drunken crazy drugged-out binge,
because I don’t want to accidentally leave the door open and have the furnace run all night that’s what that’s essentially what the Pioneers did they said we’re going to remodel this let’s take the good stuff put it somewhere safe.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:01] The pioneers of the 1970s.

Al Doan:
[41:03] That’s right then yeah we called them the the hippie Pioneers but yes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:10] Even President Kimball regretted having to do it so it’s kind of sad so I hope I would prefer if they go back even if it went to being like pho pioneer,
I’d rather have that than if they’d say let’s make it kind of modern on the inside but older on the outside like the Abu Temple the current one is pretty contemporary on the interior.

Al Doan:
[41:27] One man’s Freedom Fighter is another man’s terrorist.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:30] There it is.

Al Doan:
[41:31] What is what is this song Peter Ambrose who is his reason for being in there was no women of the faith would date him and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:42] That’s going to get him that’s how he’s going to get them they’re going to say hey aren’t you the guy.

Al Doan:
[41:46] Is he a freedom fighter or a terrorist we won’t say he might have just turned the interior decorating crew back on the Logan Temple.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:55] Aren’t you the temple ax wielder hey man hey.

Al Doan:
[42:00] Yeah that is that is a weird line of logic of like oh yeah you won’t date me well you won’t date me that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:08] Well you probably.

Al Doan:
[42:10] I could go,
find a personal trainer in and really focus on developing good habits and trying to get back into Journal writing so I can be more thoughtful in my conversations or I will this ax through window and put it in the wall of the Temple,
it’s an alternate option they are options.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:30] Since you and I are both Moguls I want to talk about my favorite Twitter account billionaire magazine.

Al Doan:
[42:36] Oh yeah long time listener first-time caller.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:37] Literally it is literally a magazine that is designed for the super rich like that’s what the content.

Al Doan:
[42:43] How much is the subscription to this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:45] This I do not know.

Al Doan:
[42:47] I got to click through this I got to know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:51] Billionaire magazine the billionaire magazine subscribe.

Al Doan:
[42:56] It is 250 thousand followers on on the Tweeter.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:00] It’s kind of an awful website.

Al Doan:
[43:02] Yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:03] I mean this could be better than it is that’s what she said so on December 25th.

Al Doan:
[43:13] This is a disaster of website.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:16] It’s horrible billionaire magazine tweeted out my brothers and sisters may the spirit of Love which comes at Christmas time.

Al Doan:
[43:23] 15004 the Platinum subscription.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:25] Fill our homes and our lives and linger there long after the tree is down in the lights are put away for another,
Thomas S Monson a company buy a picture of what I is an Acura RSX.

Al Doan:
[43:40] I love this because you know they just went through some quote database and like found this one and then pairs it with a picture of like a Lamborghini in the air like yes Merry Christmas.
and that it’s a Thomas S Monson quote Snoop Dogg quoted Gordon B Hinckley or something.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:00] Yeah that’s it was that timer.

Al Doan:
[44:01] We’re like yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:02] What it’s knew ya like dang right this time of the other hand most of the responses to it have been Latter-Day Saint Base number of GIF showing this may you know a gif of an eagle Montoya thing I do not think it means what you think it means,
all sorts of things like that so Props to billionaire magazine for really understanding the Latter Day Saints brand and and run.

Al Doan:
[44:25] When you never like what you find a quote you never look up the author and you’re like oh he was a terrorist we shouldn’t get uses.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:31] The funny thing is that all the quote says it’s basically May the spirit of Christmas last past Christmas that’s the gist of the quote it’s not like it was President Monson randomly saying may your wealth bring you Joy,
as it blesses you for your righteousness and then it’s a pretty benign quote in the first place but but here we are,
also real quick quiet policy change that you could easily have missed we remember back in April the church overturned the fabled table November policy.

Al Doan:
[45:06] No I thought I heard the Fable of it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:08] The children of same-sex Couples from being baptized until they were at least eighteen and a number of other ancillary issues,
along with that there was there’s also been a band for a long time of the children of polygamists from joining the church and there’s been similar restrictions rather.

Al Doan:
[45:23] Until did they just have to do the same stuff like pronounce the lifestyle and things.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:28] They had to renounce the lifestyle they had to be 18 lot of lot of things like that the church has quietly updated the handbook no announcement about this but now children a polygamist as long as they’re eight years old and as long as one parent approves,
can join the church like anybody else very similar to the recent.

Al Doan:
[45:45] One of many parents but one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:47] It makes it easier your.

Al Doan:
[45:49] You have options yeah you don’t like what Mom said go to Mom go to your other mom go to the other one after that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:55] So they’ll take an l,
they can do it like anybody else’s number of quiet handbook updates for Oldham book one at the same time like the the rescinding of the November policy is farther least LGBT families had yet to be codified in the handbook until this update,
this past month took him kind of a while to get there I don’t know why but but they got their so good news for you and yours who have polygamist friends.

Al Doan:
[46:24] Two hairs one is when I loved the Utah now allows like normal beer and alcohol to be sold at a normal alcohol content.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:33] That is because these people are heathens and zelle.

Al Doan:
[46:37] You should turn our Facebook.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:39] They should not be able to be at the visitor center.

Al Doan:
[46:42] So they they increase limit to 5% where everything else was 4% so there’s a bunch of like state-owned,
alcohol places that have 4% alcohol beers.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:54] A lot of food through this by the way.

Al Doan:
[46:55] And they they sold it at a discount through Halloween and now they’ve thrown away everything that’s left it so that the title is Utah tosses thousands of gallons of beer after law change what’s funny is I remember being a,
like a,
an 8 year old kid and praying that all the beer in the world to be thrown into the ocean so that nobody would have to get drunk like the way that I was thinking about how,
how the stuff worked as it as a child this was my dream and so to see this happen now I’m like well,
prayers get answered in a god Moves In A mysterious way,
275 cases of low alcohol content beer finally meeting its match well done Utah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:40] I’m just new prayed for this that’s.

Al Doan:
[47:43] When you’re a kid you like my uncle gets drunk why does he always get drunk what if we can help him what if there was no beer that would fix this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:53] I will say I think the way we were raised and the church I saw people that drank at a young age I would think they were like bad like they were bad people the drinkers and smokers were just bad people and I should not even associate with them so.

Al Doan:
[48:07] Again again like our parents had it easy man they could raise this would like just some straight-up fear and now that you’d there’s like your Social Circles get too big too fast.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:17] Everything’s too woke.

Al Doan:
[48:17] From the internet from everything else like you just have to have to teach like from principals around love and appreciation.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:24] Freaking millennials.

Al Doan:
[48:25] Gratitude it’s a different world I wish I wish I could just do the fierce tough man to be so much easier.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:33] There we go other quick mention the young women General presidency appeared on the Latter Day Saint women podcast which is a podcast that apparently exists that’s produced by the church they talk about stuff.

Al Doan:
[48:45] Also in similar news the the apostles wrote articles that were in the inside so we’re still seeing the church publishes Church leadership voice.

Geoff Openshaw:
[48:57] I’m I’m glad to say that the church is still trying to make random podcast the whole reason we started the show almost 10 years ago was because the church is putting out podcast that were like a conversation with M Russell Ballard and.

Al Doan:
[49:10] And in like the people that would do like a Toc a week and stuff they kept getting shut down because of copyright stuff and would like to be something.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:17] About that so that was Barbara think so whatever church is the Church of digital games a lot better than I used to be.

Al Doan:
[49:23] There was a a senior missionary in the Nauvoo mission who died in the car accident on Christmas which is a huge bummer,
thoughts and love to Craig Mack’s I guess he died in Iowa,
yeah that’s that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:42] As and lastly the results came in for marpol about your work Christmas party did Stu Santa come to your work Christmas party or not this divisive issue 58% of you said yes and 42.

Al Doan:
[49:55] This is why I love this is why I love being around you because you’ll find this weird random stuff I would never in a million years at curtain beads like think should Santa be at a holiday party.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:07] It never a Christmas party.

Al Doan:
[50:09] And you can find the wasp nest.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:10] Christmas you bore on Christmas. This because I never had this be a thing in my life until the current war time in when like Santa at the Christmas party is just like a no no,
so I never realized it was new.

Al Doan:
[50:24] You like wait he brings Christmas joy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:27] And then I suppose so does Jesus and so then I.

Al Doan:
[50:30] Yeah but Jesus doesn’t bring you presents down a chimney Jeff you should head man come on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:35] I did watch the awful Disney plus movie Noel juicy.

Al Doan:
[50:38] I did too yeah that was terrible so great so great.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:40] Was not very good it was Hallmark hallmark with some better production value,
anyway that’s going to do it for us on this show everybody please send us an email contact at this weekend more ms.com and visit that same website this weekend was.

Al Doan:
[50:57] So great to be back just what a treat.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:59] I just talked to him stuff if you’re not a patron on patreon that’s PA patreon.com this week in Mormons and you want to pledge a dollar a month.

Al Doan:
[51:07] Patreon spelled p a patreon.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:11] Patreon. Com last this week in Mormons I asked for $1 a month and it would be very nice of you it would help the cause and it would help us build our own.

Al Doan:
[51:22] And out like some sort of likes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:27] We need I want a war chest to man how am I going to get two hundred billion assets if I can’t nut audacity.

Al Doan:
[51:32] How are you ever going to sing in a choir worthy of performing on a temple ground unless you can get more money in your pockets.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:40] If people I’m not going to lose our finances of people have twins in the red come on why would I do that why would I embarrassed myself.

Al Doan:
[51:43] I agree with that babe and I’m going to whistle blow on you going to be on,
guess what people is going to Burger King with his money.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:55] The sun Facebook Twitter All That Jazz have a great time and we hope you’ll have an excellent New Year just with lots of Martinelli’s enjoy that stuff,
anything else to add my friend okay I guess not I was a great guy I’m a great guy to I’m Jeff that’s all this is this.

Al Doan:
[52:12] We’re all great guys okay.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:13] Everyone’s Great Value be great. You have a great time be well be holy be happy will talk to you in 2020.