The week is here! THE week! Our favorite Singaporean resident, Josie Gleave, is with us from across the world to bring us some international news, as well as her singular form of comedy.

Last month, the Salt Lake Temple closed for its four-year major overhaul. Renovating a temple means, of course, that the temple can no longer be a dedicated building, as it would be unrealistic for construction workers to hold temple recommends and conduct the work in the appropriate reverence. So when does a temple under revamp cease to be a temple? The Church let us know!

When Exactly Does a Temple Cease to be a Temple?

There’s much in the world of women’s issues this week. First of all, the Herald Extra has been kind enough to let us know that women who serve missions typically develop better leadership skills and gain in overall quality development. That’s according to science!

Next up: the forthcoming edition of the New Era magazine has a section on feminism! What could go wrong?! Actually, there’s not a ton to it, although it does make a point that feminism = equality is a good thing, but feminism = agitation outside of a woman’s divine role is a bad thing. And no, none of this is in response to recent heightened awareness of the Equal Rights Amendment.

And how about some blogs on women’s role in the Church? Our good friend, Carolyn Homer, sounds off about her fear of having kids. Elsewhere, the Church’s own eternal marriage manual needs some serious updating, as it contains language about women that has been contradicted directly by more recent leadership. The Harvard Political Review also has a thoughtful piece on “More for Mormon Women,” weakening the entire argument outright by using such a sinful term as “Mormon.”

On a healthy note, the section on unwed mothers and unplanned pregnancies has been mercifully updated in a new Gospel Topics page to reflect the times a bit more. No longer are father and mother encouraged to wed or give up the kid for adoption. Those options remain, but being a single mother is also now considered a respectable choice.

Also, some history of how Utah women received the right to vote when some at the time in Utah (i.e. male leadership) thought such a thing was absurd.

Geoff got really excited when the Church announced an application for a “multicultural” choir at the next General Conference might have revealed the location of the mysterious event. While some of the original research stands, a letter to local and stake leaders (and up) in November also suggests the entirety of the conference might just be in UT.

A Choir Application Might Have Given Away the Location of the Next General Conference

International news!

Random stuff: those Giving Machines tallied a lot of coin, 15 major changes since President Nelson “took office,” and an Oregon woman is actually suing the Church for reporting her husband’s confessed sexual abuse of a minor. And she’s asking for nearly $10M in damages.

As always, we are very thankful to our Patrons! $1 per month, folks! That’s it!

Transcript

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:00] A good week everyone Jeff here for this week in Mormons thanks for tuning in nice way to spend some time with us as we dissect the news of the week,
as it pertains to Latter-day Saints so thank you very much for joining us you can find us at this week in Mormons. Com shoot us an email contact at this weekend woman. Come tell us what you’re thinking and join us on Facebook and Twitter and all that fun stuff,
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but I have to justify the cost books,
this can’t just be a loss leader doesn’t work with that out of the way we’re glad you’re here no kill subscribe I’m joined of course by the wonderful Josie gleave hello.

Josie Gleave:
[0:50] Hi Jeff just enjoying this lovely new decade is the new website in The 20/20 plans.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00] I mean it could be if I can decide I want to pay to deal with it yeah people think it is a charity or something folks I’m trying not to inundate you with ads and be beholden to advertisers and their needs and feelings but you know.

Josie Gleave:
[1:14] And let’s be honest if we were a church charity would be a whole lot more wealthy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:18] I try to start at 3. I never say it right anyway yeah I haven’t talked to you.

Josie Gleave:
[1:28] Yeah I’m back in Singapore I was traveling over Christmas and New Year’s,
and that was lovely I got to actually have some different weather which was a relief,
and I love this warm weather.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:45] Like living near the equator and have.

Josie Gleave:
[1:47] I mean it definitely has its perks there are times where you’re just like,
you know it is so great that I don’t walk outside and have to brace myself for the cold as more that just instead you’re just like instantly sweating,
that’s all right,
so I got to go to Budapest and to Transylvania in Romania to Tel Aviv for a good friend’s wedding and then came back very jet-lagged and here we are.

Geoff Openshaw:
[2:18] Here we are what did you make of Budapest I’ve been to Budapest once.

Josie Gleave:
[2:21] This is my second time there and I love the city yet so in a way it was kind of nice that I’ve been to Budapest and to Tel Aviv before and usually I don’t like,
too often necessarily travel to some place that I’ve been before and this is like family there but this was quite nice that didn’t feel as much of the pressure to like
sightseer Taurus around too much although we still did some of that in Budapest it just is a beautiful city I really love the architecture
it’s something very different and unique to a lot of other cities that have been too and ate a lot of cheese,
a lot a lot of cheese I was traveling with two vegetarians and so I guess that’s how they,
tell themselves that this is a lot of smoke and cheese so it was great.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:14] I would love to go back to Budapest I did not I briefly went there I was not with the best people to enjoy the city.

Josie Gleave:
[3:21] That’s a bummer what does that mean.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:23] What so after so I spent the summer in Ukraine who don’t 2006 that’s how Alan I met long time listener and travel.

Josie Gleave:
[3:31] Owl.

Geoff Openshaw:
[3:33] With some other people because like traveling around Europe was kind of planned well in advance and Alan I have become friends until we’re actually there,
end in t if I got to know each other better so we were we never planned anything before I had with other people went to a lot of Central Europe Krakow Prague and Budapest,
the people I was with for fine but like we want to put a TGI Fridays for dinner on that octagon intersection yeah I know I was just like so tired so i k,
here we are,
also this was before the days of smartphones and yelping as good of a thing I mean nowadays if I were to go there you could spend some good time trying to hunt down some cool eateries and I love finding good places to eat,
crazy fun stuff and one of the.

Josie Gleave:
[4:16] Did you go to a public bath.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:18] I know I did not get around to about I wanted to but time.

Josie Gleave:
[4:21] Oh man what did you do.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:23] Walked around you know checked out both sides of the city One Across The Chain Bridge and walked around South stuff went to the old synagogue I still have not been inside the Parliament building I’d like to do that,
what time is like a like a day-and-a-half there’s a big Goofy the our hustle try to throw us out or hostile was hostile.
Mom I get a different vibe. A lot more rough-and-tumble compared to some of the other central European cities.

Josie Gleave:
[4:52] That’s a bummer.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:54] What’s I really want to go back and enjoy it.

Josie Gleave:
[4:56] You really do need to find friends that you can travel with and sometimes I find travel friends and it sometimes it away little bit like roommates sometimes,
really good friends don’t make the best of travel friends and vice versa and other people that maybe you don’t spend much time with you meetups travel and turns out to be the greatest thing ever so you just need someone that’s low maintenance.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:21] Yeah I might I mean in my opinion.

Josie Gleave:
[5:24] And not a TGI Friday kind of dinner.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:26] And of all the places I would never go to Friday’s in order to stateside now I get it when you’ve been gone for a long time after you I sometimes you want like just a piece of home like that something predictable.

Josie Gleave:
[5:35] How to piece of home that’s just.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:36] It’s garbage I submit the only acceptable thing do in that situation is if you have to go to McDonald’s I don’t judge if you do like one if you’re gone.

Josie Gleave:
[5:44] Oh no.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:47] Just want to have some bad home thing I don’t judge for ducking into a McDonald’s and is having some milk ducts for one meal a vulture.

Josie Gleave:
[5:54] Alright alright one meal now that’s fair I mean there have been times where my husband and I definitely wear in Istanbul and he saw Shake Shack and was like you know what I could just really use,
bacon burger and ordered us such and of course because you’re in a Muslim country even though maybe not everyone necessarily acknowledges that it was turkey bacon and I feel like he got what was coming to him,
yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:22] I was I was actually watching one of my favorite travel vlogging channels on YouTube Kara and Nate if anybody watches them said the challah ever seen their great care,
the point is
they had a long layover and in Singapore and I know you mentioned the Shake Shack that open there in the jewel you know in Singapore so they actually stayed in the jewel fry 55 hours before they went somewhere else so they decide to take out Shake Shack which they never do to travel full-time
to see what the fuss was about cuz they’ve been out of the US while the entire anyway I thought,
of the my find Singapore friends and you crazed Madness that that Shake Shack in Singapore is caused.

Josie Gleave:
[6:58] A man is serious Five Guys is also just opened up closer to my house same issue massive lines.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:06] There’s no shame in that when I live in Edinboro I eat lots of good food but sometimes you know what I just said I want some Chicken McNuggets and a walk over the mcduck’s.

Josie Gleave:
[7:15] No way pub food all the way.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:17] Lebanon pub food all the other pub food is good a lot of British food is terrible the best food you can eat in Britain is subcontinent food Indian.

Josie Gleave:
[7:23] It is much better now much better now.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:27] It’s like how all the best restaurants in the world are in Denmark all of a sudden Scandinavian food they can do whatever they want to eat pickles.

Josie Gleave:
[7:34] The Mark has amazing food.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:36] There’s no getting around it folks.

Josie Gleave:
[7:38] Oh yeah and I’m actually if if there’s there we go any food thing that I’m following I do quite love the chef at NoMa he comes up with some very interesting thing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:47] Have you actually been to Noma.

Josie Gleave:
[7:49] I know they were closed when we were there I was willing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:52] It’s already gone right is it already clear like the clothes.

Josie Gleave:
[7:54] Closest seasonal and they do like pop ups and other places.

Geoff Openshaw:
[7:58] Auto they close the previous best restaurant in the world El bulli in Catalonia that someone that closed down.

Josie Gleave:
[8:04] This is now returning events like the most.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:07] Podcast anybody’s ever wanted last week it was like Kurt and Jeff talking about Arby’s and all the good stuff in this week we brought in the refinement of the gleave.

Josie Gleave:
[8:18] I will say I am a big fan of when car is on the podcast because I feel like he’s the funniest when he’s not trying to be funny and then when he is trying to crack a joke you can like almost hear him smiling through the microphone I just love it so much,
anyways that’s not meant to be a dick but definitely a compliment.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:37] I was a bit of a bad cat in one but yeah.

Josie Gleave:
[8:39] Everyone moving on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:42] Will move on news live a lot of wacky stuff is happening this weekend letter they sent news everybody and we’re going to,
and where show me where should we dive on and there’s been so much weird stuff that’s been going down I’m just going off with a quick one not not a ton of News newspaper say,
but I thought this was interesting,
the Salt Lake Temple closed on December 29th to we’ve talked about this a bit some of the plans surrounding it what’s going to be closed for four years for it,
massive renovation they’re going to dig out all the way to its foundations are doing all this seismic retrofitting to protected from earthquakes and what have you and well there their they’re basically thrashing all the annexes and all the rest of that part of
like half of Temple Square and they’re going to read about the whole thing underground all that stuff and make it this whole new experience so it’s going to take about four years to do that cool,
I’m sure the Saints of Utah will find a way to persevere I Joe I do joke about it but genuinely when a temple goes down in Utah Bless the people of Utah for being Temple going but it actually does cause like,
much bigger lines and backlogs and,
they don’t have the supply to meet the demand when this goes down so I guess that’s a good problem to have Utah but the Salt Lake Temple will be out of commission,
Oquirrh my favorite great name.

[9:58] This does causes to ask a question block temples of gun down four major refurbishment mesas still down my temple here in DC is down and Teppan Tokyo’s down these are major major ones that President Nelson St Georgia closed now,
at what points,
play what do they do to make the temple not a temple anymore because it’s not like it’s a dedicated building when it’s not like you got construction workers with recommend and it’s some kind of experience like that no I mean that they decommission the building and then it’s just an edifice,
and I do all the work and they rededicated that’s why we have these rededication session so we know that we dedicate and rededicate through prayers and such,
I just I’ve always wondered what what did they do to the temple the building do they have a ceremony of sorts do they like close it down through prayer and ordinance or anything like that and it turns out it’s not quite,
that is far as I know the church was nice enough to release a kind of just a an informative article just a nice thing for us to learn about about the quote decommissioning of the Salt Lake Temple in the process involved 2D Temple,
the Temple and so decommissioned a bigger process in general. Just be closing of the Temple of the temple that means like.

[11:07] All sorts of extra stuff but let’s focus first on,
switching to Temple to Temple according to the temple Department in all the clothing all the records and then any other items used in the completion of Temple ordinances and so if you’ve been through the temple,
I guess there’s a handful things you can think of that would be removable in that context I even wonder though some of the altars are taken out cuz sometimes and their Temple open houses the altars aren’t even in the Ordnance room so I’m not sure.

Josie Gleave:
[11:36] I had to realize that like with ceilings those are there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:42] Ceilings they usually are they have been some open houses when in the endowment rooms the altar is not there.

Josie Gleave:
[11:46] Interesting.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:48] But I but I don’t think this is a slam. I don’t think it’s consistently that way but I have seen it that way,
but you can’t imagine either remove all the anything related to that,
whatever right and at that point according to the department it is no longer considered a dedicated building so they don’t do anything else that makes me just grab the important stuff like that and take it away for safekeeping and then the temple is just,
a building can go inside it’s just a lot more straightforward than I,
ever thought of that thing I was kind of assumed there’d be some more Pomp and Circumstance related to it.

Josie Gleave:
[12:24] Yeah like a nice yeah a nice little Sarah buddy or something but know it’s basically like we remove the clothes,
but no it’s good it’s interesting to hear about cuz I hadn’t really been able to figure out what’s the difference between like a big routine like maintenance and cleaning verses.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:42] End and of course there’s that like when they do no temples go down usually for a couple weeks,
a couple times a year for cleaning and they’re still dedicated assignments to go and clean the temple during these two weeks went and that kiss got to be very interesting because the cruise that are coming in as far as I know,
you’ve got people with with recommend sometimes you know they replace the chairs and carpets and rugs and all these things and in that case you might have.
No Temple recommend wielding professionals,
doing the work cuz I don’t necessarily decommission the temple to do it as far as the rest of what decommissioning involves just for your information,
you take out anything historic that matters in the Salt Lake Temple that’s a lot more significant than another temples another there even take out door knobs light fixtures all that sort of stuff Furniture goes and storage some furniture is donated to local charities
artifacts might actually go to display Temple artifacts in the conference center across the street so of course not everything can be removed
how to go to lengths to protect the temple but the decommissioning itself of all just kind of taking out anything that just shouldn’t be there while there,
messing the thing up so that’s kind of a cool first step I’m getting busy on the temple they’re already starting to tear down the South Visitor Center like it’s on their desk and they’re not messing around,
there’s my son bit of information I geek out but I love a peek behind the curtain it’s fun.

Josie Gleave:
[14:04] So I feel like actually this week we have more,
we have a lot of women’s stuff and mentions for the news one of these is a study that women who serve missions gain quality development opportunities study shows which I.

[14:25] I thought it was okay admittedly I clicked on this cuz I was like this sounds like a study that never should have really needed to be a study that like surprise surprise sister missionaries build leadership skills while they’re on their mission
and yes it to me this was initially like no big deal but
I’m a little bit further down in the article about this study there was something
actually interesting that came out of this was that respondents mentioned how they wished that their mission president’s wife had a title and like a clear role and that there was recognition that sisters had fewer,
leadership opportunities in the elders in their missions and also that a lot of respondents expressed a desire for like sisters only specific training,
conferences so,
there we go that I felt like it redeemed itself a little bit by actually providing some quality insight into maybe how the sister missionaries could be involved in different ways and I also got to say I agree with the whole,
why certain Mission president doing more than I don’t know what I don’t know what is your mission,
like what it what was her role in your mission.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:36] First of all I do believe the wives of mission presidents who are set apart they’re not just tagging along like.

Josie Gleave:
[15:41] As what.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:43] As the macnician matron I would assume.

Josie Gleave:
[15:47] Is that the name.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:48] I don’t know the exact title and I’m sure I’ll be taking a task by our listeners for.

Josie Gleave:
[15:52] Well I mean I don’t know either.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:55] I know but that’s what everyone thought of her she was always nice and sweet and would do things for everyone.

Josie Gleave:
[16:05] Comforting it like baking cookies and yeah I think that’s right where the problem comes from.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:09] And you be all excited like during Zone conferences when they shoot that make up the big deal for all the zone AutoZone,
liters to meters yes and getting terms and but basically are the mission mom so I will stay in my mission they had sisters conferences this was a thing that started probably halfway through my mission,
decide to like it didn’t do it all the time I’ve been quarterly if that but it was like let’s bring all the sisters in the mission in the Barcelona and,
have a weekend where it’s just a conference just for them and that case the mission mom played a more active role in teaching and counseling and all that sort of stuff.

Josie Gleave:
[16:43] What kind of nice maybe it’s not necessarily something that’s his widespread Barcelona was ahead of other days I.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:48] Well they did Elder Holland did call us the lighthouse mission of Europe as we all know.

Josie Gleave:
[16:55] All right well now you’re just dragging through baton.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:57] I wasn’t there when that happened but boy oh boy that that mission.

Josie Gleave:
[17:00] You weren’t even there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:01] Will know this happened before I came in and so like an intern to branding a mission,
because he said that the lighthouse as it were became like the symbol of the mission like we had shirts made I had.

Josie Gleave:
[17:14] Did you get a pen did you get a tie clip lapel pin.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:15] We had all kinds of stuff made up that we were called we will call Del Prado which is the lighthouse,
this was like branded all over the mission this was this famous thing like guys and Apostle said that we are the Lighthouse of Europe every one of took of course that was milks to death to death that I was beautiful so.

Josie Gleave:
[17:34] And it’s continuing to be milked to death all right.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:38] I don’t know about Mission Mom’s though,
it’s fine it makes me think a lot about the role that women are playing when they accompany their husband in general like how we see Apostles wives speak a lot more frequently now and then travel with I think overall is is a good thing even though you kind of alluded to it,
it’s a mean thought but,
what is President Nelson’s like wife set apart as likewise if you really want to think about it’s good to your counsel but like are you like an or an ordained set apart leader in any capacity have you been given the,
people are going to hate me but I’m playing Devil’s Advocate you get what I’m saying like,
is your role in are you actually formally called to something we are in Apostles wife and are you giving us authority to counsel the church and the same love with the same way as an apostle might I don’t know if you are.

Josie Gleave:
[18:27] So I can definitely see that argument and I agree and I think surely this could be an easy fix of if you want your wife to go along maybe you should actually give her a title,
and then once she has some Authority,
do she’s not upstaging you and three maybe people like Jeff will be a little bit more willing to listen now that you have.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:50] That’s right I need to see some credentials people otherwise I don’t.

Josie Gleave:
[18:53] Exactly send the resume weeks in advance we will be more prepared a Saints to listen so,
along this whole line of thought with women’s roles in the church there a couple of blocks or different post one by the harbor.
Politics review and then by Common consent so the first one was about
let’s see what was it called it was like I’m terrified to have kids or something like that and it captures like some of the modern-day anxieties.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:26] Karolyn take it easy.

Josie Gleave:
[19:26] Mormon woman trying to live the life that they want to have and also to have children as well and depressions that they feel and.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:36] My response very quickly you should smile more at my response turn you on.

Josie Gleave:
[19:41] Oh wait is this like me personally as in like to you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:44] Just two women in general I am going to MIT I’m just going to be a terrible mansplainer to this whole segment for fun so go ahead.

Josie Gleave:
[19:48] Give him a grand every now and again cases.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:53] You should smile more sweetie okay.

Josie Gleave:
[19:55] Oh okay so.
Sorry so I’ve lost my train of thought now you just totally disarmed me this is how dangerous these words are.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:11] That is that is abusive man pulling number one.

Josie Gleave:
[20:16] SoDo if there was another there was a part in here that I actually quite likes that she called out which was the mother’s employment outside the home chapters of the Eternal Marriage student manual.
There you go that had some archaic language anyways I’d be happy to call out that one to be
Rewritten ASAP CNS I think that very quietly the Relief Society General presidency has been rewriting some stuff that could be
updated so that’s interesting blog if anyone is curious about that perspective and or feeling that way.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:55] I mean what’s the problem you’re selected teaching for President Kimball quote come home wives your husband make home a heaven for them.

Josie Gleave:
[21:03] Smile Adam sweetie when he walks through the door.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:06] Come home wife to your children born and unborn rap the motherly cloak about you and unembarrassed help in a major role to create the bodies
for The Immortal Souls who anxiously await I have failed to see what the problem is with this Council be at home.

Josie Gleave:
[21:21] I mean if I could pick up if I could pick out one little scene become home to your unborn children what is this woman supposed to be doing she literally just sitting around like gosh I’m not pregnant yet.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:33] I don’t want you to work honey we have.

Josie Gleave:
[21:33] What am I supposed to do I’m here I’m here for these unborn children.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:39] I feel like we be more spiritual if why I’ve stayed home before they even have kids and just thought about the children they would have they would be more mentally and emotionally and spiritually prepared when the time comes.

Josie Gleave:
[21:49] You know what we have Pinterest for that I think it’s already been planned out so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:56] Another beautiful quote.

Josie Gleave:
[21:57] Oh man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:59] Hope to God this is from Ezra Taft Benson Big Island voices the world cry out for alternative Lifestyles for women,
they maintain that some women are better suited for careers than for marriage and motherhood these individuals spread their discontent by the propaganda that there are more exciting and self-fulfilling roles for women that homemaking
some have even been told to suggest the church move away from the Mormon woman stereotype of homemaking and rearing children,
they also say it’s wise to limit your family so you can have more more time for personal goals and self-fulfillment.

Josie Gleave:
[22:33] Goal isn’t it Prince.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:37] Ezra Taft Benson folks still coming out of the Grave I’m surprised it hasn’t been up there the most recent quotes came from I don’t know why Elder Scott Elder Packer that nothing current.

Josie Gleave:
[22:45] See my points someone,
jump on that Relief Society General presidency you are our only hope here then at the Harvard political review there was a Blog called more for Mormon women,
which was essentially talking about the same sorts of things this,
women who had been raised in the church in the midwest talks about how she knew from an early age that she wanted to have a career I think it’s a lawyer and wanted to possibly run for public office and there was tension of the room because all the other women
are young girls whichever classes was in was basically just saying that they wanted to grow up and be mothers and anyways
whether that tension existed or not could have been
everyday I personally never really felt that growing up I kind of always thought that I was going to do my own saying and then family would,
I don’t know hopefully work itself out but seeing as I have no children maybe we’re still in that process of working that out,
but I would say that she continues on she mentioned on one thing that I thought was interesting that there is an inherent,
tension between simultaneously endorsing equality and embracing men as providers and women as nurturers which.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:02] Yeah yeah.

Josie Gleave:
[24:03] Proclamation,
that one hit me and that she basically heard pieces of this is that a Divine rolls a mother should be revered but not precluded,
yes the realization of her full academic physical and individual potential so interesting reading their people.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:23] I am extremely grateful that my mother who was mostly at home with his kids but work part-time and stuff but I’m thankful my mom went to college and got an education and had things to
the two explorers my parents got divorced my mom had to go to work and we were not in a position where that was at the risk of poverty
you know how are quality-of-life went up my dad didn’t go to college my mom did so,
my mom was able to just jump right back into her professional career and take care of us and of course it came with some drawbacks but,
I meant thankful for that I’m super thankful for that I don’t know how it would have been if my mom would have just said I just want to get married and have babies and not if that works for you than great and there’s a lot of them to do that and they have good lives,
for me I’m glad my.

Josie Gleave:
[25:07] Yeah and I think.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:08] Working person and.

Josie Gleave:
[25:09] And I think that’s the point right there’s not like maybe if you want to look at this as a pros and cons is going to be pros and cons to each sort of situation and,
different family circumstances arise and so I think we really tried to talk about here is that sometimes this quote-unquote ideal of a woman,
staying at home and being able to have like the privilege of lots of time to devote to her kids doesn’t always work for everyone,
that is all can I do real quick quad which we talked about with rewriting some of the things in the manuals.

[25:50] Did you do,
there was a blogpost about a change that had been updated to the gospel topics under unwed pregnancy that I think this went last year and we mostly missed that until this blog post came up so
under unwed pregnancy they’ve basically rear it’s in like the whole thing and it’s just a much better and encouraging,
personal revelation and individual decision so if you’re going through this sort of Ed sense whether it’s like teen pregnancy or just like,
pregnant out of whatever situation it may have been your options are now seems like remember that whatever you decide it’s for you and your child and some people will agree with your decisions,
and others will. And I just like spot with a quote that we’re going in to look figure it out yourself and,
not everyone’s going to agree and okay that’s fine.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:52] Does a big change I mean considering the old handbook would basically say you should you should get married trying to get married for adoption.

Josie Gleave:
[27:02] Yeah exactly whether or not you were a good matches parents but like your children have a right to be in a temple sealed relationship.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:13] I mean I know it’s it goes it does mention the four options Hulu to marriage and adoption but also single parenting or it says or abortion now obviously we.

Josie Gleave:
[27:23] I like links to why that is our favorite quotes that we will hit on probably later is frowned upon
it at least includes it includes all of his options and then goes into that section about why it’s important that this decision is for you to make it rain like you and
your parents and you got to figure this one out which one suits you best.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:51] Yeah it’s a good time to mention to remind on abortion while the church I would say generally speaking is pro-life and then yeah we believe in the sanctity of,
life and bringing life into this world good to remember though that we try to be moderate in our approach that sometimes,
is that the exception of course when a pregnancy has resulted from rape forcible rape or incest I’m not quite sure what,
other kind of rape there is other than forcible rape but okay
a competent physician determines of the life or health of the mother is in serious Jeopardy or a competent physician determines of the fetus has severe defects that will not allow it to survive Beyond birth and of course that doesn’t mean it’s an automatic I’m getting an abortion like we said
you should think about it Council about it and I’ll take it seriously as I’m sure you would but just remember the church does not have a hard-line no abortions. End of story,
like you said frowned upon dissuaded not to be used as a form of birth control yada yada but still,
I’ll continue on this wonderful female issue.

Josie Gleave:
[28:56] Please do.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:58] So the church in the new era coming up this month has a section called what is the church’s stance on feminism because no one’s going to explain feminism to a group of teenage girls better than some old meant so,
first some Basics hey there remind you that we are children of heavenly parents God is an important God loves us he knows who we are
it’s very short then it says feminism can mean different things to different people
that is true sometimes it refers to efforts to ensure basic human rights and basic fairness for women as well as efforts to encourage women to obtain an education develop their talents and serve humankind in any field they choose which runs,
almost like completely counter to what we just read from those old quotes from President Kimball and president Vincent.

Josie Gleave:
[29:41] Stay home.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:43] Latter Day Saints support these things however sometimes certain philosophies and social movements bearing the feminism label Advocate extreme ideas that are not in harmony with the teaching of the Gospel,
these can lead people to become distracted from or even work against the ideals of marriage and family Latter Day Saint round upon such things,
and a good reminder by that same token we also frowned upon extreme such as male chauvinism sexism machismo or any other cultural influence that would cause men to think and act in ways that are not in harmony with the gospel teachings of respect love,
modesty Chastity equality and family responsibilities so I appreciate that little bit at the end that says hey we might be talking feminism here but then you can also be complete morons and don’t beat,
which I love I think it’s so hard in a male-dominated culture in a church that is,
doing more to be inclusive of women but is still driven a lot by the male side of things to remind us that men can be jerks and not to be a jerk like there’s no place for chauvinism sexism any of that stuff,
you know Stitch Amen to the priesthood of that man still applies and we shouldn’t forget that but,
I don’t know I feel like the statement of feminism is kind of a nothing Burger to me but as a woman.

Josie Gleave:
[31:00] Exactly how I felt like it was written up in the trip is like this might be something that would become a controversy but for starters
we’re trying to discuss like a highly political term in four paragraphs which I just don’t really feel like it’s going to do any of it justice,
so I can’t it almost kind of feels like,
oh cuz later on in the Trib article they talked or like reached out to those who were publishing his peas and they basically were like what we’ve covered all sorts of things that are teenagers ask Chris about including like
dinosaurs that had a whole list of other like topics that might come up teenagers and the church would be curious asking about to know what dinosaurs was what if I bet there you go
apparently so I’m the same way.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:49] You see what happened is theirs is really 6000 years old and they just.

Josie Gleave:
[31:52] Oh man.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:53] From with already have the oil in the dinosaurs in it and they just pushed it this most it together like a ball.

Josie Gleave:
[31:58] I feel like that would have gotten more than four paragraphs to be honest I feel like the dinosaurs would have gotten more,
it just it just feels a little bit like maybe they were trying to fly under the radar on this one and not make it a big deal because
they didn’t want to have a controversy so I don’t know I’m like not upset I’m not like thrilled about it was for just indifferent of our very lukewarm
attempts at explaining this issue.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:26] I do like I appreciate it one bit of clarification though in that a church spokesperson Irene Caso explains that
this is not in response to some of the greater attention the Equal Rights Amendment started receiving at the end of last year the church release date
pretty botched statement on that reminding us of the content of the new era is playing a year in advance which is the case with publishing this is not stuff is not a Blog folks you know this is
planned well in advance but it does respond topics that are submitted by teenagers and that’s what you were referencing right there you know the question. Dinosaurs Evolution all that stuff and I do like
took all that out and say,
kid teenagers right in and we want to respond to what they need and I’ve also seen that like when my wife has been in young women trying to take the time to survey the girls and say like what do you want to learn about what do you want to discuss,
as young women and what breaks my heart is I’ve seen many leaders pushed back and say they don’t like a lot of the girls and one situation responded they want to talk about same-sex attraction and then gay marriage like how to navigate,
those issues whether they experienced it themselves or just like how to how to find their place with that issue is Latter Day Saints in a world that’s more accepting of it,
I would like to bat it down it’s a no no that’s too divisive we don’t want them to talk about that and I just be sitting there saying like,
what they want to talk about like talk about it then nothing to hide on these Subs.

Josie Gleave:
[33:48] Yeah let’s just bury that and pretend it will never come up ever again that always work.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:55] Exactly like do it responsibly there was another situation of some of their Ward along I don’t remember when this was but,
it was also to talk about that and it was also this understood a little bit more leadership thought this is too heavy of a topic for the younger set like if we were all doing it Bishop’s youth discussion like a twelve-year-old don’t need to be in a discussion about,
same-sex attraction to 16 year olds might have something be mature enough to handle it I sort of agreed but at the same time 10 year olds know what that is now I mean there’s not there’s no avoiding it so,
anyway interesting stuff all around.

Josie Gleave:
[34:30] Yeah I think our teens
even The Young and the preteens can probably handle a lot more than we give them credit for because if I think really that the services when were a bit sheepish about it
and we pretend that they’re not hearing about all sorts of different topics either at school friends online social media like
honestly it’s already come up so you’d probably just better off addressing it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:56] Exactly I mean I’ll I know we like to pretend but again all right this is been a fun little week for me of feeling like I was sleuthing and then finding out the knowledge was already there what am I.

Josie Gleave:
[35:09] You did some good sleuthing I thought you were sleuthing appropriately and I was like I was impressed.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:14] Tip of the hat to,
one of our twin listeners Natalia Rodan and said saw this and thought this might seem kind of interesting is running a little article saying there’s going to be a multicultural choir,
that’s going to perform the next general conference and you can apply for it you can join it right cool that’s a cool article so if you look at the church’s web page about it it goes a bit more to detail about this cuz to be a member of the choir,
you have to live along the Wasatch Front,
you have to be there for rehearsals in the area in general there will be a dress rehearsal at the conference center and people you don’t do a dress rehearsal at a facility unless you are doing the performance at set facility that’s a dress rehearsals work
but it also says you have to be in Salt Lake City from 2 p.m. until after the Saturday evening session on April 5th,
all of that is telling us you are performing in the conference center / General Conference which makes which because of our speculation about where this historic April conference is going to be because everything president Nelson said you know talking about the first vision of the restoration,
this tells us that General Conference at least that session will be,
in Salt Lake City just as it usually is except that we know the Saturday evening session will be a special session now for everyone ages 11 and up no more priesthood session women’s meeting what have you so I saw this instead wow we have we have discovered some.

[36:40] We have learned the general topic will still be in Utah ladies and gentlemen,
I think that’s good that tells us something our listeners were nice enough to show us that back in November a letter went out to General Authority General officers it went all the way down to Bishops and Branch President but no farther than that,
and I’m sad to say I didn’t see this I’m an executive secretary and I did not notice this letter
so I see all of these but just I didn’t see this one and it just says we’re pleased to announce that the April 2020 General Conference will be held when it will 5 sessions originating from the conference center in Salt Lake City
and this one it said however rather than have pre student women session love a special one,
the people we talked about that’s all it says but it does say 5 session originating from Salt Lake City which would seem to indicate,
the dental conference in its entirety will either be in Salt Lake City there are some who are choosing to view the the verb originated as of to imply.
Components of the sessions will be held elsewhere or in a different format.
Like it will originated there.

Josie Gleave:
[37:43] I think this to be something wildly different would really worlds were we ever going to have it besides the conference center.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:52] I don’t know now no building on this some of this is maybe sort of off the Record so I was in some steak training this week in Mid-State conference,
Elder Peter M Johnson was there nephew wash the last General Conference he spoke in one of the later sessions he was the first African-American General Authority if anyone remembers this talk people like to talk quite a bit I was looking forward to this so I got to go to the leadership session with him
he’s everything you would help
very approachable guy look hella if all of our general authorities could be more like him I think it would go a long ways in the church like burp standing there singing he’s just walking around like shaking people’s hand and like thanking them for being there like made him so singing to him you just walking around like it’s,
this is all great we’re all full of love this is wonderful but he mentioned it briefly at one moment said something along the lines of,
you guys won’t believe what’s going to happen in April I can’t believe the people have gotten to come to this thing he said something like that I don’t know what that means I don’t I’m assuming the salute to the Saturday evening session,
I don’t know what that means he just said that like it you won’t believe the people who are going to be involved in this like what does that mean.

Josie Gleave:
[38:59] Hot chef.
It’s Lindsey Stirling Donny Osmond Special musical number between him Lindsey Stirling who else oh David Archuleta o a little Trio.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:09] And that David David Archuleta and that guy from Imagine Dragons.

Josie Gleave:
[39:15] Yeah sorry that was not that was a because I couldn’t think of his name.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:22] Dan Reynolds or some.

Josie Gleave:
[39:23] I forgot to say I’m sorry.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:26] And then also Mindy Gledhill will come back to the church and we will.

Josie Gleave:
[39:29] There we go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:30] That. That was a little interesting random thing he threw out there if I can I’ve been talking a lot but if I can digress.

Josie Gleave:
[39:39] I’m expecting dance I feel like that’s going to be the next stage will be bringing this more of an artistic Flair.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:43] The restoration dance is it going to be the restoration the musical that’s what it is it’s the restoration the musical that’s what it’s going to be it’s going to be a 2 hour.

Josie Gleave:
[39:52] Perfect we have collaborated with the creators of South Park bring you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:59] This is our way we can bet it’ll be first be revealed here and it’s going to be great they’re going to be like it could be it could be a song through as well oh my goodness the whole.

Josie Gleave:
[40:09] Oh I hate that word so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:12] What do I do where do I go father father.

Josie Gleave:
[40:15] Offer up.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:16] Next to the fence I saw an angel,
I am all about that so I don’t know anyways also Peter and Johnson completely awesome guy he also said something about President Nelson even said I don’t know if I should be saying this but I think it’s a big deal.

Josie Gleave:
[40:35] I love this all of this off the Record but I’m going to say it anyways this always works out well.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:40] He said the present will officially they remind you that we’re not supposed to like redistribute then record the words at the brother and I think this is fine he just said president Nelson once said that his goal is to have a temple within 2 hours of every member of the church,
I don’t think that’s a controversial thing to say or anything crazy I just think that’s an interesting update to the 200-mile radius of work off of four temples and we’re not there to have temples in 2 hours of church membership not by a long shot so,
it’s kind of a cool thing to work off of in 2 hours means a lot more different places right I mean 2 hours.

Josie Gleave:
[41:12] But I’m going to say it so we could either be building more temples or working with local governments to fix some congestion.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:19] So what this mean did you set up China dominating infrastructure Construction in Africa the church is going to become the construction company because the United States failed to engage
in that capacity since you’ve got hit the nail on the head we’re just going to go more roads in Africa,
so they won’t be built a temple that it won’t be like only 20 miles away and take 2 hours.

Josie Gleave:
[41:39] More airplane flights more temples closer to airports going to be.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:45] Or the temple boat which I still want to come back that’s the best.

Josie Gleave:
[41:48] The temple boat.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:49] Familiar with this this is a legitimate for.

Josie Gleave:
[41:52] Like an actual boat.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:53] Back when the four temples were as common as prolific as they’re in it,
they the church generally considered the idea of owning a boat out of to be a full-blown cruise ship would have you been a sizable vessel an ocean-going vessel that would travel the world,
as a temple and go to ports of call and then the saint to come to the doctor ship and do Temple work this is a real.

Josie Gleave:
[42:16] Who sings fantastic I love this idea,
oh then we can really have the background dancers they’ll be a part of the cruise experience I love this week and bring back the temple cafeteria it’ll be.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:34] All you can eat all you can eat at the buffet.

Josie Gleave:
[42:38] I’m sure that story about that she went to that conference story about some guy who had like didn’t realize that,
when he went on a cruise his buffet food and all the meals were included his Cruise price and so he just ate like a can of pain beans.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:52] I said I think president uchtdorf.

Josie Gleave:
[42:54] There you go that’s going to be everywhere,
the worst makes me so uncomfortable.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:59] Unfortunately I think we’ve kind of gotten past that point of the ship becoming a reality with how many temples we have a wonderfully been able to add to the land since then but man that would have been something right now to master something seven awesome.

Josie Gleave:
[43:13] Indeed we have digress a little bit I’m going to jump into some international news.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:20] Yes please this is yours this.

Josie Gleave:
[43:21] Great okay well so last week was kind of a I think you guys had a bit of a slow news week and this week seems to be a lot of disasters so here we go so,
Elder cushions in the Philippines
is ministering to the Saints there right as there was a volcanic eruption so the toll volcano is near Manila and was spewing Ash on Sunday and some of the members of the church and friends have evacuated to meeting houses just as a precaution so
that is a developing story I don’t know much else about the volcano I think they’ve also it’s also like spat out some magma lava.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:07] Spatha great word.

Josie Gleave:
[44:08] What are those of like what spots were lava.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:13] Mag okay magma is what the molten rock is when it inside the earth once it is been shot out of the earth it is referred to as lava.

Josie Gleave:
[44:21] What if it’s a doozy not spot over this is one that this is a volcano that like Spitz so if it’s going to explode it’s going to be a big one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:28] What is met the air of the earth when it’s come outside it’s called lava when it’s inside its.

Josie Gleave:
[44:32] There we go okay well.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:34] I read a lot of books when I was a kid about volcanoes thank you.

Josie Gleave:
[44:39] That’s good for you. Okay so in other natural disaster days of the Saints are pitching in to help Puerto Rico after a series of earthquakes there are some that are still without power and water so I believe Lots,
around the Caribbean area are helping out much they can more disasters so flash flooding in Jakarta
has unfortunately killed like more than 50 people and thousands are homeless at the moment so the city has experienced like some pretty intense rainfall,
but they haven’t had for like we’re at this level for about 20 years so members of the church again as we do and most of these situations local members and the humanitarian arm of the church,
I’m at large are working with local authorities to help in any way that we possibly can and if only some of the rain would come to Australia
there been many instances of members coming together I haven’t listed all of them but lots of like donations different relief kits to help those who’ve been affected by the fires you guys mentioned last week that,
Pacific area presidency had announced special fast and that seemed to have like reached quites
a large audience and participation so they said a special thank you to all of those who helped out.

[46:02] I think it’s rained a bit oh well I mean I think that might be a little bit premature,
and also maybe a little bit Eric take credit for the rain but.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:14] I think there’s a story that circulated about how it started raining in Australia but it was dated like last fall that was said to.

Josie Gleave:
[46:20] Oh great we love some of that yeah unfortunately actually with the Australian fires there has been a lot of,
bad articles that have been passed around in some scenes some diagrams that show like
the middle of Australia on fire when there’s actually just sand so that’s in a bar in there
so there has unfortunately been some misinformation around this as there is with any new story these days but there is plenty that is still good and out there so if you are curious you can go to,
if a conversation a use a pretty good one that’s usually articles written by like akademiks,
local experts associated with the university writing about all different aspects of the bushfires if you are curious,
anyways so we are moving on the German triple combination scriptures has had an update so Wahoo that’s it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:20] Bloody time.

Josie Gleave:
[47:21] Yeah sadly nothing too exciting they change them heading to the doctor and Covenants and some grammar so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:30] They change scriptures I don’t know if I can believe it anymore.

Josie Gleave:
[47:33] I know it’s probably all wrong but it’s only ever been wrong apparently in German so we fix that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:40] Not the adamic language.

Josie Gleave:
[47:43] 30 senior missionary couples who both happened to be doctors,
that have led an emergency first-aid training course for 250 police officers and healthcare workers at Cambodia this is pretty cool because I think it’s a really good example of when the church,
has sort of changed the parameters and roles what senior missionary couples can do and that you can really use your skills to help out in any sort of way on your mission,
and so there isn’t,
like a formal emergency medical system in Cambodia and bystanders are actually not allowed to help like at an accident scene so police officers are basically the
only people who can really jump in if they’ve seen an accident on the road or something but for most this was their first course in basic first aid so that is,
hopefully will be of some help and
this is a little late on the Christmas news but kind of too good not to share the church has partnered with the Adventist assistance and development agency in Ukraine to provide Cole
1300 tons of coal to people affected by the conflict in eastern Ukraine which
is a nice little Christmas gift one that’s.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:06] So what you’re telling me that the church is not in favor of clean power that’s what we’re learning.

Josie Gleave:
[49:11] I was trying to come at 5 so glad that it was Abby who brought it up but yes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:16] Okay I joke but in reality it is because that’s what that’s what they use in Ukraine for their fur enter cheap so that’s part of.

Josie Gleave:
[49:23] Yeah and I’m sure that a small group of people in eastern Ukraine aren’t actually the ones responsible for them climate change so we’ll forgive them we will forgive them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:34] No they’re not but it but a small group of Russians are responsible for destabilize the entire country and I.

Josie Gleave:
[49:40] That is also true so I’d prefer to put the blame on them.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:43] I will I need to not talk about the Ukrainian conflict cell become the entire show so good.

Josie Gleave:
[49:49] Okay booby. Quick so,
last one is that Elder christofferson spoke the first young adult devotional for the year and the decade about why people in the 18 to 30 age bracket may not join
participate in an organized religion so he had some interesting things to say about phone which I love
our general authorities pick up like a new and trendy word I love.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:17] I hope one of them gets up at some point is like okay Boomer.

Josie Gleave:
[50:22] Yes it’s so good because they always say it really slow and almost like they’re doing air quotes but they’re trying not to their like doing it with their eyebrows are like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:35] It’ll be funny if some of the old one said okay Boomer till like Elder Bednar number Stevenson cuz Okay Boomer sister to younger people are insulting the older ones but what if the older people were like you stupid younger Boomer.

Josie Gleave:
[50:47] Are you sure this happens in their chat so the temple all the time it must it must just be a big hazing session.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:53] I really wanted maybe since the temples closed in anybody can go in there right now we need to install some listening devices so that we can find out.

Josie Gleave:
[51:02] That sounds legal anyway so talked about.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:06] Who’s to say I don’t know what the law is in you.

Josie Gleave:
[51:09] I think I think people have spoken on that one actually,
anyways he has some good bits to say seems like we need not live in fear of failure we are not alone we are not without help so there you go warm and fuzzies about face,
that’s our that’s our International,
send it on a positive note,
I need like a good transition don’t I like a and off we go onto like internationally is like a really old like 90s start at not released.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:44] You could even start doing a bit every week where you report on the stuff was inserted into the show no matter who’s here.

Josie Gleave:
[51:51] Do I get to pick my own theme song that’s what I want.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:52] And I will turn to Josie for international news new just read the headlines for 3.

Josie Gleave:
[51:57] The problem is is that the newsrooms around the world and their various languages do not publish it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:06] New they don’t.

Josie Gleave:
[52:06] My my interest so there is still some calling out you Ireland publish something it’s been 6 month.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:15] Look there’s one steak in the Kountry okay it’s very Catholic you’ve got to give him some.

Josie Gleave:
[52:19] There’s one steak in Singapore and we publish regularly no idea who’s on that by the way I should check that out but at just saying some are better than others.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:28] It’s alright it’s you’re absolutely.

Josie Gleave:
[52:29] People poems come on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[52:32] How old is got bigger issues to worry about like the attacks in the Judiciary Act anyway so some quick mention to the giving machine so you know we see them all during the,
light the world campaign like the world is what we’ve just settled in on man we used to change the campaign every year but not like the world is the jam so they give machines totaled nearly 6.3 million dollars in donations,
for Charities which is terrific self up according to Banh cam,
there were over 250,000 items purchased from the 10 giving machine locations the top five words three chickens,
100 polio vaccine take-home meals for a child one sheep and one box of fresh produce,
I’ll even break that down by how much of of which you know so they’re like 30,000 transactions to provide three chickens to someone which is so amazing to me.

Josie Gleave:
[53:28] One sheep sorry where are these giving machines.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:33] They were.

Josie Gleave:
[53:33] Like is there one near you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:35] No I don’t know if it’ll just let’s say okay,
are there any pressure I would have gone so this time around they were in Gilbert Arizona San Jose California Denver Colorado light Hawaii Las Vegas New York City
Orem and Salt Lake City Utah and then internationally just in London and Manila Philippines.
The government New York City in the past but I guess I didn’t do it this time around as far as I know we’ve never done it in DC which is a shame.

Josie Gleave:
[54:03] I thought you just listen.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:04] DC could use some charitable kick in the pants I think that would be a good thing for us out here.

Josie Gleave:
[54:10] Okay I’ll take your word for it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:12] Another quick thing 15 changes since president Nelson became the prophet it’s funny to see this cuz I remember when President Nelson first came in about 2 years ago,
and I actually thought to myself I said I’m going to start writing down anything he changes just to keep track of it but then conference came in April in like you know he basically just,
turn the whole thing over and I said there’s no point keeping track of this guy he’s a rogue agent does what he wants,
anyway 15 of them you can read this in Spanish but of course the restructuring of the priesthood quorums the replacing home teaching with ministering,
they have announced the new hymn book and the children’s hymn book they have a new rules for interviewing youth,
of course the name of the church we talked about that quite a bit new scheduling for Sunday meetings
it is that they’ve changed the missionary dress standards they have up minutes of missionaries to be in contact with their families quite a bit more,
they have just changed like how we communicate stuff like a pixel properties
they have been this is there’s a new policy for the children of gay couples while failing to remind them to this new policy regarding the children of gay couples.

[55:34] Got rid of the previous couple
four children of gay couples from the November policy they say you can get sealed in the temple of mediately after a civil ceremony that’s the new thing that happened nuages for baptisms all the temple and serving
Witnesses for that we change the temple recommend questions and the new children and youth program I translate that on the Fly you’re welcome World congratulation.

Josie Gleave:
[55:59] I could tell everyone else he could just use Google Translate that’s what I did but it’s I thought it was a nice little round up good little,
like I remember when President Nelson came in that there was actually loads criticism that he was going to be just like so hard line and not change anything and all of that is now ancient history as he’s changed.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:23] Is mister mister progress.

Josie Gleave:
[56:26] So back to women’s stuff there’s a
a new podcast by Deseret News that’s actually good thanks to Diana Douglas
so this they’ve only released the first episode of Zion suffragists it’s going to be a six-part series I listen to the first episode and it’s about how you tell women got the right to vote,
and it actually seems to have been in defense of polygamy guess that’s simplifying a bit but have a listen,
and there’s mostly for an astounding quote by allies of snow and 1850 like rebuking the New York suffer just say it essentially that you tell women don’t need the right to vote because our women are or our men are nearly perfect,
which is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:13] Good remind.

Josie Gleave:
[57:13] But she clearly changed her mind and Reps the movement 20 years later so there you go,
there’s also this goofy one not a goofy one it’s actually kind of.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:29] How to Wacky good time Josie take us there.

Josie Gleave:
[57:31] Yeah it’s a okay so there’s a woman who’s suing the church for a 9 and 1/2 million for disclosing her husband’s sexual abuse so this guy apparently
when said how to chat with his Bishop confessed to sexually abusing a minor on repeated occasions,
and then this woman does the wife is apparently upset that this information was passed on to law enforcement and feels like there’s been some confidentiality that has been,
broken,
it just seems so strange and so backwards after we have so many instances of like wanting our leadership to do more,
I don’t think that anyone is really on the side of this woman who feels like her husband’s,
confession should have been kept secret so Jeff what do you know about Bishops and look what they’re supposed to do in the city.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:32] Okay first of all the main thing is the lawsuit alleges that,
the basically the man was not advised in advance like if you confess something illegal we will tell the police,
I’m not aware of any regulation that you have to disclose that upfront why would you say that why would any Bishop
risk the legal standing of the church by saying don’t worry it’s between you and me and I can’t say anything to law enforcement like that’s not the policy the pump that the same time the policy is not.

Josie Gleave:
[59:01] This guy just didn’t.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:02] No he just didn’t know I made it was,
tell me what the policy is of course to help the abuser first on the healthy abused first and foremost,
first and foremost it is to protect the abused and there are number of resources to do that much of this has been updated in recent years there is a hotline,
and that is the main thing in this house phone under criticism because it’s not an automatic like you just told me you were abused minor,
I am calling the police that is not the process the process is you told me you were abused minor I am calling one 800-453-3860 extension 2.

Josie Gleave:
[59:40] Extension to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[59:43] No I hear you call it a hotline. The hotline is staffed by lawyers and people aware of the intricacies involved in these issues and also to call stake president if your Bishop for example and they will help guide you,
what you should potentially do
when addressing situations of abuse like this so legal and clinical professional answer the questions that provide instruction on how to assist the victims how to comply with local law and requirements
for reporting abuse and protect against further abuse that’s typically the policy I could see people,
going to pick this apart because it’s big we say how do you comply with the requirements for reporting abuse I choose to believe that means like make sure that you report everything thoroughly and in the correct way and not as like well,
in this state it doesn’t require that you suggest that you reported like it might in the neighboring state so you just don’t do it I don’t think we’re trying to look for the lowest,
you know Baseline.

Josie Gleave:
[1:00:40] How little we can get.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:00:41] Yeah exactly right I might like to believe it’s more about just making sure that you are reporting in the correct way into the proper channels but naturally they’re people who have latched onto that and just said see this isn’t just saying like absolutely reported it’s saying,
how do you comply with the requirements.

Josie Gleave:
[1:01:00] Well because reporting is ultimately going to be a big commitment,
to use the person who’s reporting at like if it comes to a criminal case you’re going to be involved and,
I don’t think that Bishops just shy away from that but they do also need to like they need to be aware of what this means and they should,
absolutely reporter and it seems like in this situation that’s like if the news is reporting that,
he’s this man has abused a minor on repeated accounts it doesn’t sound like it was something that necessarily happens like 30 years ago I did know it might have,
but it sounds like it’s falling within the statute of limitations this to me I can’t think of any possible reason why the lawyer is on the other side of his hotline would have said no like,
his privacy is more important than the situation I think that that one is definitely one that you report it’s just strange that the wife is suing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:02:02] Yeah the lawsuit is usually like hey you didn’t protect my child against abuse so I’m suing you church it’s not this.

Josie Gleave:
[1:02:10] You didn’t protect my husband who then hurts at least one poor child multiple times like this.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:02:17] And of course then fortunately you know we all latch onto this is a story I’ll be very curious to see what happens with that I wouldn’t be shocked if a judge throws it out before it even goes to trial,
we’ll see what happens.

Josie Gleave:
[1:02:29] The big cringy.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:02:29] It is a bit cringey but it’s an important cringe you know last one here I guess I’ll just jump into a real quick so you might remember,
some time ago when was this one April 28th so in the spring of the 2018 session of General Conference you might recall there was a woman you don’t know her name but her name is Crystal Leisure and,
she shouted while Elder Oaks was inviting newly called members of the face leadership to take their seats in after the call new seventies and what-have-you woman shouting from the rafters stop,
protecting sexual predators and yelled it loudly now things like this happen in conference and I,
I don’t know I don’t think much of everyone that you know he said that happens everyone turns around and there was on Twitter sync what was just yelled what’s going on what’s going on so I believe from the building and taken to trial,
over this,
thought so there was what’s called a bench trial Monday in Salt Lake City Justice Court where judge heard and decided the case that Charlemagne he decides the cases opposed to a jury and,
originally charged with misdemeanor but reduced it ahead of Monday’s trial so there was no potential for jail time the judge said I don’t think that your message is wrong I think your timing in your place is inappropriate and it’s also a violation of the law I guess because it’s the new no,
you have a right to protest against the sea see the cases.

Josie Gleave:
[1:03:53] Yeah what is the law that says it like you can purchase outside but you can’t like disrupting a meeting seems.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:03:59] I mean it’s private property.

Josie Gleave:
[1:04:02] It seems like a strange law to call.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:06] It’s a weird thing to enforce.

Josie Gleave:
[1:04:07] And also who’s bringing forth the charges against this person.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:14] The people.

Josie Gleave:
[1:04:15] Like I said the church I don’t think that it specifies actually in the article like who necessarily brought the charges 4th but that they went to court and,
Crystal was convicted and I don’t know that’s also a strange one to me that,
you can get convicted for a disreputable General Conference and also there’s some irony to the fact that they were shouting.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:41] It’s it seems to be the church.

Josie Gleave:
[1:04:43] Predators win our previous story was about a bishop who was trying not to protect a sexual predator and like I want to sleep early you can’t win at the situation someone’s either way.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:04:56] Yes I think this came from the church itself it said they quoted David miles to Church’s event coordinator who testified that the church that you know conference is considered part of a religious ceremony.
So it says there’s there’s a disclaimer on the back of every ticket,
give me the public and read about 15 minutes prior to the start of every conference session you know that it’s a religious ceremony and it’s not to be that there’s they said you know what the reference of the meeting but of course others say,
what’s it really like disrupted like she yelled something in life went on does not like the meeting stopped because of it but you didn’t,
the time did someone that’s what in general conference the time someone tried to pull a gun and kill President Hunter that disrupted the meeting this was not,
so that’s weird.

Josie Gleave:
[1:05:44] It’s a bit of a weird went to end on isn’t it but it happened so there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:05:46] Yeah let’s think of something and more positive news Harry and Meghan are trying to step back from being full-time Royals so.

Josie Gleave:
[1:05:53] Yes.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:05:56] No I don’t want to but clearly I found.

Josie Gleave:
[1:06:02] No actually I could hardly care less I’m more fascinated with the like the interest and Intrigue that,
depressed and nearly everyone else has about anything Royal news that comes out that’s more of the fascination for me.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:06:21] With that wonderful bit of news thank you all very much for tuning in this week we appreciate your time swim can’t be possible without you cuz if no one listens why would I do this I’m not that bored Josie thanks for being there.

Josie Gleave:
[1:06:35] Maybe you are that bored maybe that’s why we’re here know I’m teasing you still have a basement to finish.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:06:43] Anyway folks you are all my friend each and everyone of you I love you all dearly even if I haven’t met you if you’re ever in DC drop me a line I would be more than happy.

Josie Gleave:
[1:06:51] You’re just trying to get free dinners out of us aren’t you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:06:54] I’ve just be happy to but let people buy me lunch I don’t see what the problem is appreciate your time everybody likes to lien forms possible for you and we love you all very much be well and be happy.