What a week! Latter-day Saints were making waves all over the place, and with one Josie Gleave in our midst, we will also get a nice dose of international news.

Mitt Makes His Move

In the same week that Utahns finally gave Trump a slight overall approval rating, Mitt Romney, Lord of the Forest, Scion of Righteousness, liege to all, white horse jockey, shocked the world by becoming the first senator to vote to convict a president from his own party as President Trump’s impeachment trial wrapped up. McKay Coppins sat down with the senator and former Republican Party nominee for president before the vote to discuss his decision and the reasons behind it. Romney now famously invoked his faith as part of his decision, arguing that he is accountable to God as a sworn-in impartial juror. In case you haven’t seen his speech on the Senate floor, here it is for your enjoyment (or beratement).

Naturally, Mitt is taking plenty of heat from what I suppose we now call the GOP establishment (i.e. supporters of the president i.e. nearly everyone in the power block of the GOP), but all is not lost. While his vote has proved divisive in Utah, he’s garnered plenty of support. What will the future hold for a senator who admits his actions will have serious repercussions? Mitch McConnell was quoted as saying there’s “no doghouse” in the Senate, and life will move on. Donald Trump, however, has already gone to work connecting Mitt with the Bidens and Burisma, as if it is all part of one, yuge conspiracy.

Coronavirus

Coronavirus! What fun! It’s shutting down entire cities and disrupting global travel and commerce. Our own missionaries are not immune, as those serving in Hong Kong and Macau are being pulled for the time being. But the Church is doing more than protecting the health of missionaries. It is actively engaged in the humanitarian effort to combat the outbreak. President Nelson, speaking as if he just called up his old golf buddies, announced an aid package to China.

Unfortunately, the Asia Women’s Conference, a staple of the Latter-day Saint expat community in Asia, has been canceled this year. Josie, who lives in Singapore, is among those changing her plans. She also brings us some insights from the ground about how the coronavirus outbreak is affecting Southeast Asia.

Adventures in Rebranding

We almost named this episode “At Chuh” or “Too Much Chuh,” but the phrase makes no sense without context. Here’s the context! As part of the ongoing efforts to rebrand everything, the Church is finally abandoning the @ldschurch Twitter handle in favor of “@Ch_JesusChrist.” We’re, um, not exactly on board with this strange choice, although we recognize that “@ChurchofJesusChrist” is longer than the 15 character limit imposed by Twitter.

Follow the Money

Here’s a fun one. Going back to the $100 billion rainy day fund the Church seems to posses, it appears the managers of said fund have stated on the record that they have tried to keep it quiet specifically because they don’t want Saints to ease up on tithing donations because of assumptions that the Church already has plenty of money. Josie makes a good point, however – if it’s not about the money itself but about the act of giving to the Lord that which is His, why would Latter-day Saints care of the Church has $10 million, $100 billion, or $1 trillion?

International News

  • The school of the juvenile detention centre in Berlin is now called the Helmuth Hübener School, after the youngest condemned (and we’re sorry to say – beheaded) resistance fighter in 1942. He was 17 years old and a member of the church.
  • Intruder at the Sao Paulo, Brazil MTC. Last Wednesday morning a man entered the center armed with a knife. Security detained the man at the reception desk until the police arrived, at which point the intruder tried to attack the police and he was shot and killed by police.
  • Saints in Adelaide, Australia spent the most recent public holiday (Australia Day) helping to clear debris from properties affected by the fires.
  • Church releases a video documenting the visit of Muslim leader Dr. Al-Issa to Utah at the end of last year. He is the secretary-general of the Muslim World League and president of the International Organization for Muslim Scholars, and came to Utah to meet with Pres. Nelson and Elder Bednar. He toured Welfare Square and looked a little unsure as he was offered a cup of chocolate milk. He also visited BYU where he got to chat with some students who looked super pleased to practice their Arabic.
    • Interesting bit from the video: The Church has built three mobile bakeries that roam around Syria that follows the refugees wherever they go.
  • Church leaders of the South America Northwest Area met with Peru’s president as part of an interfaith council to discuss the fight against corruption, care for forests, refugees, and violence against women.

Leaders on the Move

Elder Holland visited his old stomping grounds of South America (well, not those exact stomping grounds, but let’s be irresponsible westerners and just refer to the entire continent as culturally and ethnically monolithic, a la “Africa.”)

President Jean B. Bingham of the Relief Society General Presidency visited the Philippines to see how ministering is actually improving the physical health of children in the Asian nation.

Racism Rears Its Ugly Head in Provo

Look, we are not perfect as a Church. There are great people here and, um, other people. So while we should be dismayed, perhaps we should not be shocked to discover that a BYU panel honoring Black History Month was hit with racist questions from the audience via the anonymous question-asking app, Slido. We don’t know if it was one person or many, and it’s difficult to identify anyone because of the third-party app involved, but BYU has pledged to do its part, and it also issued some reminders about the university’s, as well as the Church’s, stance on white nationalism.

Elizabeth Smart Sexually Assaulted

Elizabeth Smart, whose abduction and multiple rapes as a teenager drew international attention in the early 2000s, is back in the news after revealing that she was sexually assaulted while on a flight about a year ago. After dozing off, she awoke to find the man next to her rubbing her inner thigh. Ick. To add to how disheartening this is, we can’t believe the behavior of some people on our own Facebook Page in response to this story, offering up classic perpetrator language. It was terrible.

The Return of Porn

We don’t hear as much nowadays about the ills of pornography. 10-15 years ago, General Conference was a veritable anti-porn convention. While the topic still does – and should – come up, we were surprised to see the First Presidency issued a letter to parents on the topic, serving as a good reminder that pornography as a temptation and a scourge of society is not going away anytime soon, and we must be vigilant against it.

When the Saints Vol. 2 Come Marching In

This week is exciting because the second volume of the much-lauded Saints series is coming out on the 12th of February. Saints is the Church’s effort to provide a more thorough examination of our history – even the complicated stuff – while staying on-brand and faith affirming.

“Saints” Volume 2 Arriving in February

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Transcript

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:00] Thank you once again everybody for joining us on another edition of This week in Mormons, the premier Latter-Day Saint-focused news and entertainment podcast. I join you from Washington DC that are hot studio, from a basement on the hill. I’m Geoff, and I’m joined once again of course by everyone’s favorite expat, Josie Gleave.

Josie Gleave:
[0:20] This is a great title I didn’t know that I had that I appreciate that I doubt it’s true.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:27] I’m pretty sure you’re literally everyone’s favorite expat.

Josie Gleave:
[0:29] Yeah maybe because I’m the only one they know there’s that nah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:33] Fine embrace it.

Josie Gleave:
[0:34] No I’m not even that well-known I can’t even claim that much but I am as far as claiming locations I’m still in Singapore and I currently do not have the Corona virus so there’s something.

Geoff Openshaw:
[0:49] Hit down there at all is that even a thing that far south.

Josie Gleave:
[0:52] Yeah it is so we’ve just hit what’s called,
Doris Khan orange which is not a great little acronym but it’s something about like the disease outbreak response condition,
which means that we’ve had like severe or that the disease itself is severe and spreads easily from person to person but it’s controlled or contained,
anyways but it still freaked out a bunch of people over the weekend and we had to run on the grocery stores and all sorts of fun stuff like that yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:26] Sounds it sounds delightful.

Josie Gleave:
[1:28] Yeah there was suddenly like everyone needed to buy toilet paper and you couldn’t find toilet paper anywhere and I was like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:33] Wow whole thing huh.

Josie Gleave:
[1:34] All the things to go for I’m like everybody here has bidets but apparently we still need toilet paper which is fair.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:40] The bidet.

Josie Gleave:
[1:42] Yeah anyways so it has been an interesting it’s been an interesting week.

Geoff Openshaw:
[1:48] I imagine so I mean you’re on lockdown though obviously I mean you’re free to.

Josie Gleave:
[1:51] No no so what kind of happens and why I think everyone got so panicked is because yellow is sort of go about your daily life orange is you still go about your daily life but,
they like large Gatherings or schools or workplaces,
need to be temperature testing that sort of thing and everyone is buying lots of hand sanitizer and you can’t buy masks anywhere but the government will issue like for per family that sort of a thing just because medical supplies have gotten quite,
scarce so you can still obviously go to work but I know of a lot of workplaces and schools are sending.

[2:36] Their kids are employees home with iPads or laptops each day and like preparation for if they get noticed over the evening,
that school is canceled or something like that which really only is going to happen if we get to the red level which would not be good because it mostly just,
means that there have been multiple deaths that’s what kind of bumps you up to that point but there haven’t been any deaths in Singapore so I think more than anything they’re being very cautious,
so which actually here I can tie this into some Mormon news for you really quick that we got a,
a message from our area presidency that was you know they needed to address the issue because it was,
quite concerning for a lot of people so if there are any visitors who have been in China for the past three weeks they’re not actually allowed to attend any of the church meetings and.

[3:34] And I would also like to say oh that they were trying to,
you know that they haven’t been able to order any hand sanitizer or temperature the the non-invasive little temperature testers that you can get everything is on back order but that’s what they’re trying to do so that you can maintain,
continuing to go to church so churches and canceled,
the also the statement and kind of said she you know we fully understand if some members feel like it’s better to stay at home and worship from home until this kind of gets cleared out so it’s more like it’s,
optional so oh and we’re not supposed to shake hands anymore which I’m thrilled about because I didn’t really like doing that anyway so it’s great.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:19] I think I mentioned before we did something kind of when I was living over in Scotland I think it was just like a big influenza outbreak something happened around 2008/2009 it wasn’t mad cow,
but it was bad enough that yeah so the church started stocking hand sanitizer pumps and all the rooms around the church and our Bishop just said guys don’t shake hands anymore like it’s okay,
and then instead everyone started doing elbow bumps to say hi.

Josie Gleave:
[4:44] No

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:46] When the bishop had to say guys stop doing that because that seems very.

Josie Gleave:
[4:49] Our bums.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:50] Because we couldn’t shake hands.

Josie Gleave:
[4:52] Just like not your head.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:54] We just kind of bump elbows.

Josie Gleave:
[4:56] High wave.

Geoff Openshaw:
[4:58] There Scottish people you know who knows they’re all they’re all they’re all hopped up on.

Josie Gleave:
[5:01] This sounds like something you started I doubt it was the Scots.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:06] I did not start this absolutely not I was a Stranger in a Strange Land respecting their local Customs but I thought I thought it was funny when the bishop had to then say again like guys now this is just weird please don’t do this because that’s just odd,
but it was funny being a church for so long when you saw these hand sanitizer pumps were everywhere like in like where they’re normally be a floral arrangement on one of the clerk desks you know like in the front of the chapel there’s a.

Josie Gleave:
[5:27] Yeah yeah that’s basically what we’re trying.

Geoff Openshaw:
[5:29] Hand sanitizer pumps that never was fun I’m glad you guys are doing okay and the church has been the church has been involved as well.

Josie Gleave:
[5:37] Yeah they sent
president Nelson yeah he posted on his Instagram that he had had a chat with his friends in China and asked what was needed and then sent over like two airplanes full of supplies so like protective equipment so like The Masks goggles
and like coveralls that sort of thing other medical equipment that,
is really needed because it’s just like out of stock everywhere which is kind of crazy to Fathom so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:07] Interesting approach does that seem weirdly almost like humble bragging it’s not just saying everyone just so you know.

Josie Gleave:
[6:12] What like we’ve been stalking this stuff here you go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:16] Oh not just that I mean it’s not like they just announced the church because we work with China we’re going to send them the stuff instead president Nelson’s like so I talked to my.

Josie Gleave:
[6:23] My buddy’s yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:24] All right so I called up my buddies and I’m going to do everyone a solid,
and I’m going to send stuff.

Josie Gleave:
[6:29] It sounds very vibey like he’s in with the Communist party like he knew who to call so yeah I definitely it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:37] Bully dick is he operated on like Chinese.

Josie Gleave:
[6:40] Cross my mind.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:42] For the actual story was it was.

Josie Gleave:
[6:44] Look I’m sure he’s trying oh I oh I don’t know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[6:48] Someone one of the leaders dad’s I mean he’s got a he legitimately has a history with some.

Josie Gleave:
[6:53] I’m sure he’s trying to be buddy-buddy in the hopes of opening up that is a mission field so I mean I can’t hold it against him I guess but yeah it did a kind of have some of those vibes of like,
I called my guy and this is what they said they need but then you also have the missionaries in Hong Kong who are getting transferred out of that area and the Macau area as well and being temporarily reassigned to,
but II it hasn’t announced,
where they’re going to be going but just to some other Mission until they return home or if they were close to already finishing out their mission they just are being sent home early,
Hong Kong is definitely in more of a were sort of situation or just taking more extreme precautions where you know,
people aren’t leaving their houses as much as Singapore,
so yeah but there’s been you know loads of things that have been cancelled like we were supposed to have it at Asia Women’s Conference That was supposed to be in Taipei that got canceled,
and and then just the general joy of the,
mild freak-outs here in Singapore so that’s just a constant state of is this going to get worse how much worse is it going to get we shall wait and see.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:12] One thing the update on some of the missionaries in Hong Kong though I mean they said they learned that some of the missionaries leaving the Hong Kong Mission will some what might be quarantined with some will not be quarantine which is nice but they said that like they’re 17 missionaries who are Filipinos,
that will be isolated and separated from contact with other missionaries for 14 days at the Missionary Training Center in Manila before departing for their assignments or going home so you know they’re doing all the right things but,
that’s a drag.

Josie Gleave:
[8:43] Yeah but there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:44] Things got to settle down.

Josie Gleave:
[8:45] Yeah I mean it honestly it might not for a while so I don’t know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:51] Pretty crazy I’m super glad.

Josie Gleave:
[8:52] It’s a hunch but I don’t know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[8:54] I’m just super glad my mom is back I mean my mom was living in China for a couple of years and she came back last summer and she was done but man if she was still,
she’s had some updates I mean but man she would be I think my form I think they’ve been,
basically unofficially quarantine to their Apartments which is not some lavish fun place to be when you’re just a random expat living in China you’re just stuck in your non-air-conditioned intermittent electricity apartment you know.

Josie Gleave:
[9:20] Yeah and can’t go out and buy groceries and that sort of thing like things are pretty convenient in Singapore the most
you know while people were still like rushing to the grocery stores and there were massive lines the main thing that also people were complaining about was that you know there are normal to our Amazon delivery was available for like,
days or something you know so it’s like we’re really struggling over here.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:43] This is egregious.

Josie Gleave:
[9:44] How dare you take a longer so there were some complaints but we’re getting by yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[9:53] I’m going to put I’m going to Pivot to one of my favorite subject areas everybody and we’re going to try to do this objectively and responsibly but there’s been some political news involving Latter-Day Saints that we do have to cover this week a couple things first of all,
I came out earlier last week that for the first time since being elected in 2016 and again this is,
sort of Latter-day Saint but a majority of Utah voters approve of Donald Trump’s job performance okay so 52 percent of likely voters approve that’s a break of 35 strongly approved 17 somewhat approve,
if you break all the numbers out 38 percent strongly disapprove which is the highest of any of the numbers and of course they didn’t ask people if they were Latter-Day Saints or not but it’s Utah so we’re just going to be
irresponsible and stupid you know one in the same in this case we’re just going to conflate the two
that’s because because the non Latter-Day Saint Mormons don’t like Trump we all know that they live in Salt Lake and Park City they’re friggin socialist wackos come on people so it’s a bit,
it’s a big deal now anywhere of course having a positive approval rating is a good thing but we have to remember of course is Utah’s overwhelmingly Republican and Republicans typically carry the state by significant margins Trump did not do that,
and Republicans typically have very high approval ratings which Trump has not so he’s finally crossed this one very important threshold but that still does not mean,
he’s out of the woods because there is one individual.

[11:22] With an even lower approval rating than Donald Trump in Utah believe it or not and that is Senator and savior riding a white horse to Victory,
Senator Mitt Romney.

Josie Gleave:
[11:34] I considered a drum roll but then I refrained I thought I must must refrain I hate the White Horse things so much.

Geoff Openshaw:
[11:45] It is bet it’s funny because it shows up no even though the church is even,
we know it’s not substantiated anyway it’s apocryphal but even the church has come out in more recent history into said guys this is not a part of our doctor but that does not stop,
many Outlets from just saying Mormons believe the Constitution will hang by a thread is Mitt Romney fulfilling a Mormon prophecy and we just say.

Josie Gleave:
[12:06] I mean I didn’t even know about this until the first time that Mitt Romney was sort of claimed to be the hole,
savior prophecy theme like I learned about that from the LA times and I was kind of surprised will surprised shocked I was likewise this thing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[12:23] So so for some con so for some context in case you somehow missed this in the state’s this was huge news and impossible to miss but we have an international base so Mitt Romney the former leader of the Republican Party ran against,
Barack Obama in 2012 right the Republican nominee for president by most measures a moderate Republican with some conservative,
values but definitely not a hardcore conservative and he has perennially been a Critic of the Trump Administration this is put him.

[12:53] In somewhat of a difficult Place given what happened with impeachment last week because,
Mitt Romney was the only Republican to descent to not go with his party and actually voted to convict Donald Trump and remove him from office so,
we knew that was never going to happen you know impeachment is a lot of political theater and it takes two-thirds of the Senate to do that,
so that that involves legitimate consensus you’re not squeaking by with 51 to 49 Vote or anything that can pick somebody and take them out of office because it’s a big deal you’re talking about removing the president of the United States from his or her office,
and and potentially saying you cannot do this ever again right it’s a big deal so this reverberated throughout the Latter Day Saints,
sphere of course it did right one of our own mr. MIT,
who many of course have labeled and said you’ve always had it in for Trump this is just you just always have an informants why you voted against this you just you’re mad at Trump you’re mad you didn’t get elected in the first place you’ve got an axe to grind.

Josie Gleave:
[13:54] Look in the mirror people look in the mirror you Facebook commenters that’s all.

Geoff Openshaw:
[13:59] But I I mean watching Mitt Romney’s speech which was fascinating to me to watch I don’t know if he’s caught it or not Josie if you’ve seen his actual senate floor speech before his vote,
poor not when he announced he would vote to convict did you watch this at all.

Josie Gleave:
[14:14] Mmm go you’re going to quiz me now on the earth thank you no I did not I read the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[14:19] Well I mean he got,
he taught he know he’s sort of set the stage and and said you know he’s examined the issues and he’s down as the oath he took and how and he takes very seriously his faith and he choked up,
like when he mentioned his faith and paused for a moment just kind of looked down at the pulpit with the lectern and gave himself some time to collect himself,
you see how much this drove him he was very clear though so a lot of people of course others have come out since then and said o Romney saying that God told him to convict Trump and Ronnie went out of his way in an interview with none other than McKay coppins,
who clearly has a good relationship with Mitt Romney he’s cover Romney for so long.

Josie Gleave:
[14:58] Yeah I know that’s why it’s funny.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:01] This article is a great read like Romney gave McKay an interview before the vote you know they have an embargo and such but told him like what he was going to do and explain to the rationale behind everything but Romney said God did not tell me to vote this way or anything like that,
but but obviously as I’m examining my faith and the evidence and other things that are more in the political sphere which we don’t have to get into on this show but it is but it has been fascinating,
watching mr. Mitt Romney,
just to stand right up you know I think I’ve in the past been critical of Romney mostly because for talking a big game but then rarely voting or doing anything to back it up,
being a bit of a political chameleon but the man just.

Josie Gleave:
[15:43] You love him now don’t deny it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[15:45] I don’t love him now what I mean I feel like I can be I’ve it’s it’s interesting to watch because I think his explanations for how he is voting and rationalizing what he’s doing are pretty sound even if you don’t agree with it or like the outcome.

Josie Gleave:
[15:59] Yeah I think he’d there’s sorry go ahead.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:03] And say yeah I think objectively you kind of see where he’s coming from and the explanations he is making for it and it’s been interesting of course and he just says like I know there’s going to be big like Reaper there’s going to be consequences.

Josie Gleave:
[16:14] Sure sure.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:16] I know there’s going to be consequences for this but doesn’t care he just doing his Mitt Romney doesn’t care man does what he wants.

Josie Gleave:
[16:20] His Mitt Romney drinks chocolate milk on the senate floor.

Geoff Openshaw:
[16:23] Look how he’s let off two weeks in a row he’s on Twin going rogue in the Senate chamber and now he’s like Mike.

Josie Gleave:
[16:30] Really going rogue I think there’s at least at the very least there’s a sense of respect there for it you know doing what you feel,
was the right choice so even though,
this could be a very great youth lesson I feel like about how you’re supposed to stick to what you know to be true even though none of your friends want you to do it maybe just because I’ve gotten called un women’s and I’ve had to have that lesson before just,
but there you go well done Romney I suppose we give it a go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:02] It’s going to mention it’s going to be interesting to see how this pans out I mean I think I was worried he was just going to.

Josie Gleave:
[17:06] The Savior but yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:08] No but I wonder how his electorate would be but apparently he’s there’s a nice little article here NBC News has a piece saying that you know,
he actually has found some respect back home that plenty of utahans are like alright man you do you your,
this is a this is an interview these are they’ve talked to various people.

Josie Gleave:
[17:31] See I can.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:32] I’ll be curious to see what polling actually says.

Josie Gleave:
[17:33] Yeah see I thought that maybe the whole Utah loves Trump story was coming as a result of
disliking Romney and the decision that he had made but actually now that I think about it they probably took that pulling a little bit earlier before impeachment I’m not too sure on that one,
or before the the vote but I initially took those has to be directly related who knows.

Geoff Openshaw:
[17:58] There’s a bit so it’s been a Twitter creates a dramatic week.

Josie Gleave:
[18:02] Fun little political week over there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:05] Yeah I know it’s not.

Josie Gleave:
[18:06] Mormons to the rescue.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:08] And we can say it’s mostly just a Mormon in the news but the fact he did invoke his faith which seems to be a,
that and the fact that he said I took an oath before God to be an impartial juror and he’s trying to say like I taking that seriously and I’m not going to,
I’m not just going to like ignore that because of political convenience or what have you so an interesting week and I don’t think he’s saving the Constitution necessarily or anything like that but,
will be curious to see what shakes out I can’t I want to see if the administration search is going after Mormons they just say forget it we’re just going to trash on Mormons.

Josie Gleave:
[18:42] Perhaps after they visit Utah in the in the whole election cycle they.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:49] They don’t usually visit you tell because it’s a given it votes for a republican it’s not worth the time.

Josie Gleave:
[18:54] They don’t even stop by and say I have a little.

Geoff Openshaw:
[18:57] It’s not really super super necessary I mean especially in this case if it were an open for Open Season if there were no incumbent maybe because they’d be trying to woo utahans but since it’s going to vote the state’s going to vote for a republican the state’s going to vote for Donald.

Josie Gleave:
[19:08] Utah’s you should be outraged.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:11] You know it’s just that’s what happens when you don’t live in a swing state though they just don’t care because it’s a foregone conclusion.

Josie Gleave:
[19:15] Fair enough.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:17] Just like in the general do you really think they’re going to be campaigning much in California that the primary.

Josie Gleave:
[19:21] Just means you tell it’s just not worth it that’s all end of.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:26] If they’re out west instead they’re going to be in Colorado Arizona and Nevada all of which are kind of up for grabs this time around but Utah is not really up for grabs I don’t think who knows sorry for all the politics folks.

Josie Gleave:
[19:36] What I’m trying to do a something else that’s up for grabs kind of Segway and I’m currently grabbing at straws help me out here Jeff what are we segue into next.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:50] Well what happened folks is you know the church doesn’t like to be more money or anything like or LDS e so we so the church.

Josie Gleave:
[19:54] Our Twitter handle.

Geoff Openshaw:
[19:58] Twitter handle okay I mean it used to be at LDS Aurelius church right it.

Josie Gleave:
[20:05] This one’s pretty bad I reckon.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:07] That’s why I’m I reckon.

Josie Gleave:
[20:08] At CH underscore Jesus Christ which it makes it so much worse.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:21] Now the reason behind this of course I have to imagine let’s see what happens if we Church of Jesus.

Josie Gleave:
[20:24] Well of course it’s you know to further emphasize Jesus Christ and not the Church of or like the Latter Day Saints bit.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:33] But here’s what’s funny if and I get maybe they want to be short and that’s part of it because if you look for at Church of Jesus Christ there’s no account for that like that Zog somebody else owns that we could take that one presumably.

Josie Gleave:
[20:45] How does nobody own that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:47] I just looked for and it just says this account does not exist.

Josie Gleave:
[20:50] But isn’t there like another Church of Jesus Christ stop now the Church of.

Geoff Openshaw:
[20:53] There’s there’s the Church of Jesus Christ the sent the same reason why we don’t have the Church of Jesus Christ dot-org because that’s the bitter night off shoot.

Josie Gleave:
[21:03] Man I think we missed our option there we should have just gone for that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:08] That’s what I’m saying because I’m chi chi chip.

Josie Gleave:
[21:11] Yeah this one’s pretty bad not a fan our continuing Saga and poor media choices.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:18] It’s very strange I mean I know that we’re past the point where we can even argue about the Mormon thing anymore but I’m like I don’t either.

Josie Gleave:
[21:26] I don’t care that’s what you were about to say the underscore.

Geoff Openshaw:
[21:31] All the other ones other than one’s makes sense I mean what let’s see is there no church of what if we do Church Jesus church Jesus Christ does not exist.

[21:46] I’m curious if okay.

Josie Gleave:
[21:48] I don’t know I don’t know who decided that just to abbreviate like that the appropriate abbreviation of church is just too I don’t know who thought that that was suitable.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:01] Yeah and of course Twitter / LDS church actually still shows up as an official Channel I thought they’d have a firm redirect but maybe they just got everything ported over and now we’ll just ignore this one that’s my guess.

Josie Gleave:
[22:13] Pretend it isn’t there yeah who knows.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:15] It’s still there if you go to add LDS Church’s there but then they’re just saying hey follow at sure.

Josie Gleave:
[22:20] So bad.

Geoff Openshaw:
[22:21] That’s the one I don’t get it I don’t there’s a lot of choices that could have made their and I disagree with that one but.

Josie Gleave:
[22:29] We’ll keep yeah I’m with you on that one,
yep so in other flashback e kind of news the church’s wealth is,
do in the loop again and how we apparently kept are 100 billion quiet because we didn’t want tithing donations to draw,
yeah I think I think we kind of created an article out of essentially one other person lending a quote to the situation although admittedly it’s not a great quote.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:06] It was like the it’s the guy who’s the head of Ensign Peak advisors like the guy who manages the pork the investment holding said yep they know they don’t want people to feel like they shouldn’t contribute anymore because we have too much money.

Josie Gleave:
[23:18] But it also started out he said something as well so like trip is just blocked me out so now I can’t get the quote exactly but I remember it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:28] Try forgot internationally this the trip sucks.

Josie Gleave:
[23:31] Hates me no but it basically he said that you know tithing is more of a sign of commitment to the church
but then I feel like it’s contradicting yourself to then say so we didn’t want this to dissuade people from contributing and I’m like so is it a commitment thing or are you concerned about people seeing how much money you have and not donating
like you can’t say both sir.

Geoff Openshaw:
[23:57] What
well I get where they’re coming from I think they’re just talking about the Optics yeah you’re right he said he said the quote is it’s more of a sense of commitment then it is the church in needing the money I mean that might be the reality of things but you understand the impression that gives off they’ll people could still see it and say what commitment be darned like
I think I agree it’s the mentality we should have because of the ten percent we view as the Lord’s money,
it’s not ours to decide what to do with in the first place so it’s just about whether we have the faith to do it,
and who cares how large the stockpile is that we’re adding to it’s just a matter.

Josie Gleave:
[24:29] Yeah and maybe people maybe people in general great.

Geoff Openshaw:
[24:36] Soon as a trillion.

Josie Gleave:
[24:37] Yes I was going to say excellent I think maybe people have more of an issue with the fact or the idea of things being kept secret but I think that was maybe used,
a little bit generously or trying to make something,
you know again trying to build an entire article around essentially just one other extra dudes quotation so I don’t know this,
it didn’t seem like much of a surprise otherwise they wouldn’t have broke the story with a whistleblower in the first place like of course it was a secret so anyways.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:11] Yeah I do.

Josie Gleave:
[25:12] In the news again and there it is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:14] Yeah I mean the trip was covering it because the Wall Street Journal that actually broke the story with the interview from the investment manager so I do think I find it very interesting that the it’s not just some Rando who’s saying I think this is what’s going on it’s the guy in charge you just
yeah we’ve kept we’ve kept this quiet specifically so that people don’t like break the faith and they just get I get you a reasonings where you’re coming from.

Josie Gleave:
[25:36] Which is a whole lot of faith in us as a people is it it like we will keep this quiet so that they can’t stay faithful I don’t know.

Geoff Openshaw:
[25:44] If anything we should treat it more like a Telethon or something where we say all right guys hundred billion isn’t enough let’s work to a Next Level who’s with me come on who’s got the faith who’s got the faith.

Josie Gleave:
[25:55] I will only tune into this if it is hosted by Elder uchtdorf that’s all I just want him shouting ow.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:02] I was going to go for Kirby hey born Kirby hey born or Kenneth cope I would love some Kenneth cope,
or Brad Wilcox.

Josie Gleave:
[26:13] All right I mean I’m going to veto all of those.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:19] I believe it should be Brad Wilcox and a hologram of Clayton Christensen.

Josie Gleave:
[26:23] No women I see how very.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:26] Of course not you can’t you can’t trust with me.

Josie Gleave:
[26:29] Yeah exactly.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:30] You’re just so.

Josie Gleave:
[26:31] Clearly why also the article did say through in a little dig in there it was pretty subtle about how there was only like one in seven Women Within the Ensign Peak firm I was like oh that’s a bit of a dig.

Geoff Openshaw:
[26:45] Classic and classic trip fashion that is had to throw that in there to even that has nothing to do with the subject of hand like well you know.

Josie Gleave:
[26:52] Just to show you how unbalanced things are here we go well am I getting a queue for my international news you going to sing for me Jeff.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:18] Now International Jews we cut to our roving reporter Josie gleave.

Josie Gleave:
[27:21] Yes all right so the school of juvenile detention center in Berlin is now called the
okay my Germans not very good guys the helmuth Huebner school that is so bad okay someone else tell me how to pronounce that but this is named
after the youngest condemned and sorry to say beheaded resistance fighter in 1942 he was 17 years old and a member of the church and that’s why it is
part of our news this week so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[27:51] I like this is a press release for us.

Josie Gleave:
[27:53] Great isn’t it and apparently this is the second school to get named after a Mormon in Germany so you know,
getting some renowned there.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:05] That’s actually kind of cool I didn’t realize we even had one.

Josie Gleave:
[28:07] Yeah the one is the one of the what’s his name one of the pilots who would fly and do like the raisin drops nope nope he would deliver like the food and stuff over to.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:22] Is it the one from Meet The Mormons.

Josie Gleave:
[28:24] Oh gosh I don’t know it’s in the press release read the press release Jeff alright we’re moving on.

Geoff Openshaw:
[28:28] It’s in.

Josie Gleave:
[28:29] Off my groove okay,
so there was an intruder at the Sao Paulo Brazil MTC so last Wednesday this is pretty intense last Wednesday a
morning a man came into the center armed with a knife security detained him at the reception until the police arrived at which point the Intruder then tried to attack the police and he was shot,
killed by the police so I think that there,
either don’t know or haven’t really released you know why exactly he ran into the MTC what the intentions were there but the situation has since been handled
kind of sadly.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:08] Nuts though man.

Josie Gleave:
[29:09] Is its kind of yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:13] Too freaky and true but the fact they actually gunned him down in the end to I mean that’s that’s just understandable but that’s crazy it’s just Maryland’s missionaries feeling how are the mothers of those missionaries.

Josie Gleave:
[29:25] Well so they I think they did reach out to all of the families and let them know what had happened and you know that the situation had been taken care of but yeah that’s shake up your week big time.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:37] It’s like go to Brazil they said it’ll be the time of your life they said yeah.

Josie Gleave:
[29:41] What will be the time of their life it’s just also happens to sometimes be a low point in.

Geoff Openshaw:
[29:46] I guess well or that or they peaked I mean you’re never going to have anything that crazy again on your mission you might have some getting some brawls maybe have someone pull a knife on you in the streets but come on that’s nothing compared to the MTC Intruder you’ll say I was there man.

Josie Gleave:
[30:00] But he was also just pulling a knife so I’m not really sure how a knife of the street versus a knife at the reception desk is.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:06] Well you know the knife and the street is like it happens to everyone I had knives pulled on me as a missionary it’s like whatever yeah.

Josie Gleave:
[30:12] What that’s way worse you don’t have a reception desk to protect you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:18] No we did have official fighting rules though they were codified we did the rule was,
they’re basically saying like our mission president established actual like regulations for retaliation if a lot of Spanish youth are punks is the best just not punks in the awesome they listen to Dead Kennedys sense in the.

Josie Gleave:
[30:38] I don’t think this is exclusive to Spaniards.

Geoff Openshaw:
[30:42] No it’s not it’s not but like like violently hostile towards missionaries a lot of the time they didn’t agonize you a lot and so,
the rule was you know don’t go like obviously don’t look for trouble and even if someone’s coming at you don’t start something don’t start attacking somebody or punch somebody because they’re in your face at the same time the official edict if I recall,
I was but if someone attacks you quote put them in the hospital Elder that is what we were.

Josie Gleave:
[31:11] My word what no guys.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:14] We were basically said.

Josie Gleave:
[31:15] Tactic in self-defense is always to scream in their face and run away.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:20] I mean you run away if you.

Josie Gleave:
[31:21] Always right away.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:22] If someone comes at you and they’re hitting you I’m a mission president was like if that’s if the situation calls for is like take him down like I don’t care.

Josie Gleave:
[31:29] Dodge a punch and run don’t be a hero here we’re moving on this is depressing.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:34] One time my companion through a pipe at somebody.

Josie Gleave:
[31:36] Through a pipe.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:37] Well they came at us with the pipe so he grabbed the pipe and then hit the guy with it and we ran.

Josie Gleave:
[31:41] This is slightly more controversial than us hoarding.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:44] My last area.

Josie Gleave:
[31:45] A hundred billion dollars.

Geoff Openshaw:
[31:47] My last area was a delightful Gypsy ghetto we had a lot of fun in there it was good times I know there’s a lot of stereotypes about the Roma and stuff and Europe,
but this was it was an exciting area to be in for my last area I was like it was never a dull moment we didn’t even go there at night like we weren’t supposed to it was fun.

Josie Gleave:
[32:02] Oh dear.

Geoff Openshaw:
[32:04] Anyway sorry to interrupt your International.

Josie Gleave:
[32:05] That’s okay so
everything else seems to pale by comparison know so there’s the Saints and Adelaide Australia have spent Australia day which is a recent public holiday helping clear some debris from properties affected by the fires
good for you doing good things and then there was a video that was recently released documented in visit of the
a Muslim leader Dr a Lisa he came to Utah like at the end of last year but I’m only seen this video come out now so he’s the
very general of the Muslim world league and president of the international organization of Music Muslim Scholars there we go whoo so he came saw president Nelson
and Elder Bednar toward welfare Square took a rather shaky and unsure sip of chocolate milk and,
overall.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:02] No mitt.

Josie Gleave:
[33:03] Yeah I looked a little bit suspicious about it which,
that’s fair he also visited BYU where you got a chat with some students who are looking super pleased to practice their Arabic.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:14] Now I believe the I think we covered this briefly at the Muslim world league is basically a Saudi front so it’s coming we do we do Outreach and ecumenism and whatever bi it’s essentially an extension to promote wahhabism basically.

Josie Gleave:
[33:28] Well I thought there was the
I’ll be honest the main reason why I brought this up is slightly less about the chocolate milk but there was actually an interesting bit in the video where one of the guys that the welfare centers said that the church is built three mobile bakeries that roam around
Syria and follow the refugees like wherever they go and like just provide yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[33:50] Is this not a big story.

Josie Gleave:
[33:50] Exactly that’s exactly what I thought I was like why is this
buried into like some obscure video about this one guy who came and visited last November I was like why are we promoting this this is exactly what we should be doing more of so there you go I would like to hear a lot more about our mobile break
bakeries that are just like floating around in areas that are needed I love this idea this is better there are canned beef stew,
chocolate milk anyway.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:19] That’s also probably true we could I mean I know that food storage is important and the touch certain foods are better for the sake of you know what’s perishable and what’s not but I feel like we could get away from you know 1970s American Staples just a little bit more.

Josie Gleave:
[34:33] No kidding throw in a beef wellington come on guys at least.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:39] Beef stew and some like guys can’t I get some.

Josie Gleave:
[34:43] Canned green beans.

Geoff Openshaw:
[34:44] Some chicken korma can’t I just get some chicken korma in a can I’d be fine with that.

Josie Gleave:
[34:49] Now we must all be eating beef stew anyways that is Roo what you have one last little bit which is some no not that one leaders on the move so we had,
Elder Holland who was in South America visiting the Saints and also some of the missionaries and did a little,
devotional not in but to Venezuela because nobody can get visas to enter Venezuela currently,
and well actually I take that back I don’t know if it’s like nobody can get them but I don’t think that our church leaders can currently get them,
that’s why they are broadcasting over and then also sister Bingham was in the Philippines so there we go,
we’re getting around we’re doing good things we have mobile bakeries shownu about that so much sooner all right okay.

Geoff Openshaw:
[35:44] Let’s pivot back to Provo briefly everybody,
some sad stuff went down this week and BYU says they’re on top of this over in yield Provo so there was a there was a,
diversity panel going on on Thursday evening I think in the Marriott Center I think might have been somewhere else so don’t quote me on that part
but what happened was the University had a panel about race and immigration it was part of its Black History Month of course followed a similar panel with BYU’s black latino Alliance held earlier the kicked off a slate of events BYU is trying to,
do right by this stuff and talk about these issues and embrace diversity,
during the event they used an app called slide oh and it’s very funny that slider is rearing its ugly head because I just put on an event also using slide oh and Slot with slider does is it lets attendees via hashtags or other means some questions,
so if there’s something like panels like this if you have a panel and panelists and what have you,
you can be sitting there on your phone and follow the hashtag or follow the event submit questions to it and that can either show up on your phone so everyone else can see the questions or you can even project them up on the screen or what have you
in case the moderator wants to bring one up and you know take a question from the audience in that sense but they just take it from slide oh and they’re Anonymous so is a cool app it’s great for,
situations like that however during this event someone it’s unclear if it was one person or many.

Josie Gleave:
[37:12] It seems to be yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:14] Because it’s Anonymous right so.

Josie Gleave:
[37:15] Yeah I got the impression it could have been many but you are right it maybe was just like one dude trolling.

Geoff Openshaw:
[37:22] So it’s this is a good reminder though I think for everybody it could be one person
but I like because I think is a church what we you know we have all this great programming and we show our diversity all over the place when we think we’re Latter-Day Saints we love refugees we love all this stuff and we forget that there are straight-up racists in our faith
perhaps one hundred percent
and I mean the really bad kind of course we’ve had racist in church leadership you know in the 50s and 60s and even into the 70s okay that’s fine but like some of the questions just put up so like why do we celebrate Black History why not Mexican history or white history,
honestly sounds like something my father would ask why do we act like like all black people don’t get treated well
there are also white Mexican Chinese and other races not getting treated well why don’t we have any white people on the stage right now in a panel about Black History Month,
why do Africans hate the police if they would obey the law they wouldn’t have this problem,
how is it to be black I don’t see color what’s the percentage of African of black people on food stamps.

Josie Gleave:
[38:23] I think I think we get the idea that it’s so gross.

Geoff Openshaw:
[38:28] It’s messed up man.

Josie Gleave:
[38:29] It’s gross it’s depressing it’s the I first saw this on a Facebook group from one of the women who was on the panel and had posted some of these screenshots and was and said,
I thought like quite respectfully about how it was important to educate our kids to let them know like when they’re coming in to say like a university setting,
a little bit more historical background to be able to you know be able to like appropriately participate in such a panel but I also think you know sure your app is great but,
you shouldn’t be allowed to do these things anonymously I kind of feel like look,
you know take away the app if you want to ask a question you got to stand up raise your hands wait for a mic to be run over to you and then in front of all of your peers go ahead ask them why there is not a white History Month.

Geoff Openshaw:
[39:30] Stand up for now to BYU’s credit,
there’s only so much they can investigate like you said because the app is a third party app that’s letting people be anonymous if they so choose and let’s slide over to somehow agreed to reveal the like the cell phone number that was used to submit those things and they could trace them back but,
typically a lot of app companies in Silicon Valley types don’t want to open a back door that kind of thing but BYU did,
issue a statement saying like this was not cool with us like we’re looking into what we can look into and they said weary quote we reaffirm BYU stance of condemning racism in any form we are committed to promoting a culture of safety kindness respect
and love
white supremacist attitudes are morally wrong and sinful we condemn them church members who promote and or pursue a white culture or white supremacy agenda are not in the harmony with the teachings of the church,
and that’s basically quoting an earlier statement from the church if you remember when some of that went down a couple of years ago.

Josie Gleave:
[40:24] Yeah yeah I just.

Geoff Openshaw:
[40:27] They are being on top of.

Josie Gleave:
[40:29] I’m glad they are but I also just wonder if to those you know who were involved like the panelists if that just kind of feels like empty words because once again what can they really investigate and then too,
do we need a stronger response from the church in general like to truly condemn this again because you say it came out a few years ago do we need another one like how do you actually eradicate this from,
our own culture because it’s so against everything else that we believe,
but also very controversial so I’m not too sure.

Geoff Openshaw:
[41:11] I mean what can you do other than,
preach it preach awareness of it reiterate the church’s stance on it I think is the very important one to remind people like I think there are people who genuinely think no the church you know is kind of kind of backs up this Purity stuff and all this sort of thing but like no,
don’t we don’t we want as far as to disavow in a printing error in the come follow me manual that that talked about you know outdated teachings in the Book of Mormon about racial issues.

Josie Gleave:
[41:39] Yeah I guess I just wonder why we are okay with being more supportive of,
the Syrian refugee situation when it was kind of first happening,
and how we could kind of stand up and go no to islamophobia but then we’re having this issue that lingers still within racism within the you know within the.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:01] I think we’re I think we’re learning we have to combat it I would imagine we’ve just taken for granted for so long that this wouldn’t be a thing in our church or we assume it’ll just be swept under the rug go away you could blame it all kinds of stuff you can blame it on the crew.

Josie Gleave:
[42:13] Sure.

Geoff Openshaw:
[42:13] In the United States you know that it’s a little easier to be that way but I do think the church is trying to go out of its way and unfortunately if incidents like this occur more often,
that’s terrible,
the one upside to it if there is any is that it sort of cause requires the church to take action once more and reiterate its position on those issues which hopefully more people become aware of the biggest thing that
church can do is make sure that it’s the views on this issue and the standards of the church are known and there’s no ambiguity about it so they do that,
it’ll it takes time you know things like this take time so that’s going to we’re going to turn on a dime over a couple of years and it will be a thing anymore.

Josie Gleave:
[42:50] As fair so on the continuing our cheerful chat of other things that are going wrong in the world there was a Sundance documentary,
about the scouts and our church and one particular child abuse case and,
you can’t view this documentary yet can you I don’t think you can.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:15] No it was at Sundance.

Josie Gleave:
[43:17] When do those get released.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:18] It depends on what happens at Sundance.

Josie Gleave:
[43:20] Yeah that’s fair I’m sorry that was stupid question.

Geoff Openshaw:
[43:23] Will show things at Sundance something I picked up by Distributors so just depends on.

Josie Gleave:
[43:26] Yeah no sorry that was my bad I need the answer to that but basically what the story or the what the documentary’s about is
again this one particular case of a boy who was I believe repeatedly abused by a scout leader and then
I think they’re tying in the church has strong support and connection with Boy Scouts and,
kind of was trying to make this out to be,
you know a comparison again to like Spotlight and the Catholic church and this one particular leader who ultimately was really only jailed for five months and put on parole,
for 15 years and in courts though he had admitted to abusing 24 boys which is pretty,
it’s pretty serious and pretty devastating so I’d be curious to actually be able to watch this documentary when it comes out it is called,
nobody speak no I lie that’s the wrong one.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:31] I don’t know.

Josie Gleave:
[44:31] You don’t know me I’m trying to find it I think it’s nobody speak.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:37] I’m distracted in right now because on last week’s episode you might remember the Jared gilens talked about some of the delicious chocolate milk at Reed’s dairy in Idaho and the owner of reeds Dairy tweeted at us and thanked us for the plug and has offered to send us some chocolate.

Josie Gleave:
[44:52] Oh my goodness you’re distracted alright well.

Geoff Openshaw:
[44:56] The threat all it takes it is.

Josie Gleave:
[44:57] Carry this child abuse story as I always seem to do so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[45:02] Just like my friend Mitt Romney I just do not shocking milk happens and I.

Josie Gleave:
[45:06] Oh dear oh here we go it will be I just found sorry that it will be streamed on Netflix oh gosh no that’s the,
that’s a different one they haven’t sold it to Netflix yet anyways I’m sorry,
I thought I had this one down but apparently I don’t and I only know that this is a documentary and it’s trying to draw the connection again to the Catholic Church which I am happy to note will not happy but like I’m interested to know of any of the abuse cases that have happened in connection with our church
and how the reporting process happens because I actually do think that we need some immediate change on
how that is reported to Bishops and then what Bishops do immediately
after with that information so if anything I’m a okay with this documentary shining a light on that asking some questions rubbing off a little rust on the way that we kind of approach this topic and hopefully
I’m see some,
some better results there is like one devastating I think comment in there about how like oh yeah go ahead and let an older
man take your boys into the forest nothing bad will ever happen and I was like okay it’s one way to view scouting but there we go.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:26] That’s a terrible way to view it I mean it yeah.

Josie Gleave:
[46:27] It was really bad so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[46:30] Simpler when I was a youth man I was like yeah we’re going camping for the weekend under my advisors are cool and we’re going to have a good a good overnight hike.

Josie Gleave:
[46:38] Yeah I got the impression that it was kind of trying to draw that this was something that was happening you know all across the u.s. in all sorts of different scouting,
troops we are yet to see any evidence of that but definitely there are cases where this would have occurred which is,
again quite devastating and I’m ready for there to be some change.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:01] Well unfortunately also devastating was this week when Elizabeth Smart,
I told us that about a year ago but said that she was a sexually assaulted on a plane last summer thankfully nothing in the vein of what she went through you know 15 odd years ago when she was abducted of course but,
she says she was flying back home to Utah on a passenger seated next to her was basically touching her in approach she woke up and,
his hands were on her legs or whatever which is just creepy as all get-out like.

Josie Gleave:
[47:31] We’re like they were in between her legs like.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:33] It said there in between my legs.

Josie Gleave:
[47:35] Super explicitly but like it was clear that it wasn’t just like a hand on the knee and being cuddly.

Geoff Openshaw:
[47:43] Yeah and she said like the last time someone did that without my say so was when I was kidnapped so naturally she froze and didn’t know what to do she want to starting a self-defense course because of it it’s,
it’s great she’s you know reminding us about this and what we can do she told Delta she doesn’t blame Delta the airline for what happened or anything like that but,
she was able of course say I want you to know what happened and of course you have a record who’s sitting in every seats you know you have a manifest of the passengers on the plane and they tracked the man down,
she doesn’t really she’s debating the whole pressing charges.

Josie Gleave:
[48:18] I think she was more elusive on the question and simply
so that should be following up with the FBI which I don’t know I think in this sort of situation I,
I don’t quite understand why it’s up to the victim to press charges or not I think this is quite different from US law to where I’m used to it more in Australia where the police or the one pressing charges
like if you report something it’s not really up to you whether or not you want the police to investigate like they go ahead after the crime has been reported so that’s always been kind of an interesting
difference to me how,
I feel like news organization or news reporters will always sort of asked you know oh this horrible thing has happened are you going to press charges which kind of Vibes to me is a little bit of like,
so are you holding a grudge or you like gonna forget Bob which I just don’t want any of those kind of Vibes involved in it so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[49:18] By the way this is like a this is just a it’s terrible this happened we shared the story on our Facebook wall and I don’t know what is wrong with people,
trolls or some type found this in the comments I rarely,
I’m moderate our Facebook page you know I here and there you know we just try to say guys we welcome all sorts of discussion but no personal attacks and,
be thoughtful in what you say don’t just be dumb about stuff and we try to be relatively hands off but I was just deleting like whole threads,
with this I’ve never had to do it this much people were just basically saying like well what it like what did the Tramp expect like things things along those lines terrible things can’t believe people would say such things,
yeah it was going I mean you can’t see them now because the the post is still there but a lot of those comments we just straight up deleted him I was like what is like who do you think you are why is this even on our wall why are you is everyone essentially equivocating and,
say well yeah I mean or saying like I’m tired of hearing from her why can’t she just you know shut up why she trying to get attention again things like this because that’s the classic thing that Predators say you know oh why is she oh she’s just trying to get attention,
horrible so those people were.

Josie Gleave:
[50:29] Called raising awareness for abusive practices this is something that needs to have that makes me cringe.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:36] I mean I thought about I thought about leaving them there just as an example to.

Josie Gleave:
[50:40] And I think it’s better to take it down.

Geoff Openshaw:
[50:42] I deleted them and band I’m so folks you’re welcome to comment on whatever you want at our Facebook page we welcome different thoughts but you start delving into that stuff and you will be gone so fast and then you will cry forever because you won’t have my approval anymore.

Josie Gleave:
[50:57] That’s what really counts and matters.

Geoff Openshaw:
[51:00] So quick mention here I know we got to wind down here because Josie has all has a life,
Saints Volume 2 by the time most of you are listening to this we’re going to be right up on it so we’ve had eight chapters from the volume 2 of saints which is called no unhallowed hand it will cover the period from 1846 to 1893,
if you’re not familiar with Saints it is the church’s cool effort at providing a much more in-depth,
I’ll look at the history of the church so it’s not quite at the level of something like rough Stone Rolling that gets which was strictly about Joseph Smith of course that gets very very very detailed,
but it’s quite detailed and I think it’s generally good I enjoyed the first edition I thought it touched on a lot of stuff even some heavier subject matter like Joseph Smith and polygamy for example this next iteration coming out,
apparently we’ll talk about the Mountain Meadows Massacre for example which is a pretty big blight on our record as a church.

[51:54] We’ve never fully owned up to this or that and Scholars debate that I’ll be curious to see how they treat that one,
for example they’re also going to talk about the manifesto which was the first attempt to say dude polygamy is over stop there was another Manifesto later on when they said no we’d like meet at guys like cut it out but,
so these and this basically takes you from The Exodus from Nauvoo up until Utah statehood everything that happened in between so that’ll be a good
good read in it actually comes out online this Wednesday on the 12th of February the whole thing about eight chapters have been available up to this point but now the entire thing will be available
how you can get a physical copy from the church’s distribution center you can also order Kindle versions on Amazon on the same date if you’re a Kindle person and that’s how you prefer,
that’s how you can get it I like to do it on the churches and of course the Gospel Library app also has it on there and if you go on there you can download,
the first one I just did it while I was commuting I streamed it basically I downloaded entire chapters because you cannot there’s a download function on the app so I downloaded it and then just,
rocked out and listen to the narration so I’m excited to see the next version of it come out.

Josie Gleave:
[53:02] Yeah that’s great somehow I totally miss that there was the audio option and read the whole thing but okay good.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:09] Oh terrible.

Josie Gleave:
[53:10] Thank you for flagging that.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:12] The reading is perfectly good two outs.

Josie Gleave:
[53:14] Yeah it was.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:15] Because it’s not as clean as like I would love it if they released Saints is a straight-up podcast through traditional pod catchers and podcast feeds if you could do it in that format so it’s a little bit.

Josie Gleave:
[53:25] Have to download the files yeah.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:27] If you can’t download the file and you kind of you kind of like go through if to kind of back up and then go to the next chapter and re hit play and all that kind of stuff but it works okay.

Josie Gleave:
[53:33] Well you know we’ve only just barely updated our Twitter link Twitter handle so like we got a little ways to go I think.

Geoff Openshaw:
[53:39] Yes that that too.

Josie Gleave:
[53:42] It’s so bad sorry,
so the first presidency also released a recent letter about pornography which was just to reiterate,
you parents that this is their they are the ones that hold the responsibility about teaching kids and teens about potentially harmful effects of pornography
and I imagine that maybe young men’s probably gets this mentioned more often
but I feel like we haven’t heard about this as much in general conference recently so it was interesting that we felt the need to send out another letter and also linked to the churches site that has some resources for
spouses parents and individuals to address the topic I also would love to see a few more resources on there,
from like some other organizations but I wonder if just for the sake of knots looking like there,
connected with other nonprofits I wonder if that’s why they don’t really use other either videos or other like learning resources that are really good about teaching.

Geoff Openshaw:
[54:57] We don’t trust.

Josie Gleave:
[54:58] Particularly young kids,
you know what they can ask me anyone can ask me I can send some your way because I think there’s a whole lot more discussions that need to be had not just like,
don’t log into PornHub but you know we know when is really addressing the topic of sexting or like revenge porn are all the sorts of different image based sexual abuse things that are going on so this,
what I deal with a lot so if you are stuck you can tweet me I’m not at so.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:32] And what are you at you got to throw it out there.

Josie Gleave:
[55:34] Josie gleave no I’ll I’ve got an underscore in there too because I couldn’t get mine I am a Josie underscore gleave so it’s the worst I apologize but it’s not as bad as true.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:46] I’m pretty sure I’m just going to I’m just going to take that handle of at Church of Jesus Christ I’m going to take it why.

Josie Gleave:
[55:53] Just take it.

Geoff Openshaw:
[55:54] What is apparently no one has it so I’m just I’m going to take it it’s mine now you can pry it from my cold dead.

Josie Gleave:
[56:00] They’re gonna come clawing and like five years ago Jeff what’s it going to take can you.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:06] Year of no tithing.

Josie Gleave:
[56:08] You don’t need it anyways.

Geoff Openshaw:
[56:13] But I remain in good standing there we go a couple quick mentions everybody remember we talked about lower gongsun a few months ago wrote an article about
his experience coming out because Elder Garrett W gong sun in Matthew gong is gay and here are thoughtful post about that on Facebook he appears to have written sort of an edited modified version of it as now on medium carried
but not just a medium sorry at the game AG which uses medium for its publishing but it’s a,
it’s not just a self-publishing whatever they’re hosting this so you can reread that.

Josie Gleave:
[56:46] Really good I thought it touched on a lot of interesting things that
could be good to read that weren’t just necessarily about like coming out as queer but lots about talking about like roles within the church empathy and,
yeah so there I thought it was a really beautiful read sorry.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:06] No you’re good if you want to hear some new music if you follow the voice the popular singing competition program on NBC here in the US
at various International versions exist Madeline page can contested on that she competed on that did did reasonably well she’s a Latter-day Saints,
young lady anyway she released a new version of come on to Jesus
the church is like backed basically so now she’s taking the David Archuleta path to success good for her and also of course.

Josie Gleave:
[57:38] That works so well the first time.

Geoff Openshaw:
[57:42] And because it’s Valentine’s day this week our buddy Jared Jones wrote a on the Latter Day Saint Video Vault column a wonderful 1965 Church film called love is for the birds.

Josie Gleave:
[57:53] This one was fantastic,
film but his like play-by-play of just how like sextus it was sexist it was and how much he disliked it and I was like I really appreciate this it was excellent It’s a.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:09] He finished he finished with me your Valentine’s Day have more love than the birds it won’t take much,
but if you want to if you want to delve into any of those old church videos that’s a column that he puts out a new article every two weeks so I thought that one was pretty fun because of the holiday
so with that everybody I hope you all have a great Valentine’s Day great Valentine’s Day all around the world and you all celebrate Saint Valentine and Catholicism wow that would be wonderful
for each and every one of you we hope Josie of course remains alive and does not contract coronavirus or any virus for that.

Josie Gleave:
[58:41] No promises but I hope I don’t.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:43] Very good but thank you for being here Joey.

Josie Gleave:
[58:45] Of course.

Geoff Openshaw:
[58:46] Appreciate it you can find us at this week in Mormons.com the aforementioned Facebook page and please subscribe to this podcast if you have not done so and we haven’t asked for a while
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for Josie I’m Jeff and this has been this week in Mormons be well the holy and be happy.