EP 577 – General Conference Recap, April 2022

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Our all-star squad gets into all things General Conference - favorite talks, key insights, questions, and news.

General Conference was huge! From new temples to updated statistical reports, from excellent prophetic counsel to wholly unnecessary breakdowns of speakers’ ties, we’ll forever be grateful for the April 2022 General Conference.

Join Geoff Openshaw, Hailey Smith, and Devin Thorpe (plus a random surprise guest who shows up two-thirds of the way through) to discuss our impressions and thoughts on the remarks of the conference, including our favorite talks, anything ostensibly controversial, and much more!

Editor’s Note: At one point, one of the panelists says President Bingham presided over the women’s session. That is incorrect. President Nelson presided.

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Transcript

00:00.00
Geoff
Hey, what’s up party people happy post conference aura to all of you welcome to this week Mormons I’m Jeff Opensott it’s nice to have you with us appreciate you taking the time. Yeah we’re not live streaming this episode as you know because you’re getting this through your pod catchers. Sometimes we do that but not this time around. So ah, if you want to like pay for us to have professional Zoom. Or something I will do that I would feel guilty maybe not guilty like we have a paid Zoom account for my ward but I feel ethically compromised if I were to use that to record this week and more I just don’t think that’s an appropriate use of of funds. So we’re not doing that anyway, we’re excited to bring conference with this weekend and we got a. Ah, little trio here today and we’re gonna talk about the weekend where things stop laughing Haley it is good. This is a good thing. You.

00:41.24
Devin
Ah, Jevi Jeff I think she’s allowed to laugh. She’s a you know.

00:42.20
Hailey
Ah I just I’m just really hoping we sing say tree. Ah.

00:48.60
Geoff
Um, um, Haley’s only lot so I’ll introduce our guest. We’ve got Haley Smith how you doing Haley nice to have good everybody and devah thorp is here what’s up devin nice to have you both Haley’s probably laughing cause six months ago we recorded as well and had some.

00:55.73
Hailey
I’m doing great. Thanks! deb.

00:58.20
Devin
Hey it’s great to be here.

01:05.64
Geoff
Ah, couple of last minuteute cancellations. So we wound up a trio but then the episode wound up being really nice. We all talked in and and the end how we had kind of a more robust discussion than when we have like 10 people on it once. So yes.

01:13.62
Hailey
Right? And so my plan to sabotage everyone else so it would just vs worked and it worked again.

01:18.80
Devin
Um, ah.

01:21.18
Geoff
Really the point of this is I try to get as many people as I can so they can speak intelligently and I can just kind of sit back and just play moderator and the point of this is to out you know, um to offload my workload really, that’s what I’m trying to get at ah but we’re excited to talk conference you know special episode this week

01:34.29
Devin
Ah.

01:39.61
Geoff
Got the whole weekend of conference out of the way I enjoyed it overall thought it was a ah great stretch of conference. There’s plenty of it I missed and did not take it as much as I wanted cause you’re fighting children I love it whenever there’s like 1 talk when they’re talking about like. Having peace in our homes and like during these remarks I’ve got kids on the floor like wrestling and fighting with each other over stuff and I’m like aha ah huh this is great. This is great. This is what I’m feeling. How was it for you guys. What did you was you all think any any major takeaways before we you know, go into any specific talks.

02:09.00
Devin
Well yeah, yeah there I a lot but let me let me start with one. Well Jeff you made me think right I had to actually pay attention to general conference and think about what are what was important but but ah, the first thing.

02:12.60
Geoff
Oh boy, Devyn’s ready Devyn’s ready

02:13.21
Hailey
Oh good.

02:21.94
Geoff
Sorry, yeah yeah.

02:27.50
Devin
That struck me as I was watching and because we’re we’re used to this right? but I still think it goes ah with it needs to be mentioned that that president Nelson is a hundred and twelve and looks better than half the quorum of the 12 ah, half the quorum look like they’re older than he is and and he’s by far the oldest isn’t he yes that whatever I said but he’s yeah, he’s 97 yeah yeah, yeah, my wife and I were talking about this the other day when you turn 80.

02:52.57
Geoff
He’s actually 97 but yes, still um, he will be 98 in September so that’s that’s something. Yeah, yeah, as opposed to illegitimately old. But yes, yes.

02:58.42
Hailey
That’s legitimately old for for sure.

03:06.36
Devin
You’re happy to be 80 and you you’re okay to be called old. The dude is a high school graduate older than than eighty years old I mean he is seriously old and he looks like he’s ready to go for a run.

03:15.82
Hailey
That’s true.

03:22.24
Geoff
I know.

03:24.66
Devin
At any moment. Ah, that’s pretty incredible I mean I remember you guys are too young to remember president Hinkley but president Hinkley was a pretty old guy.

03:34.66
Geoff
What first of all, thank you for thinking I speak for Haley as well. Thank you? But um.

03:36.90
Hailey
Okay.

03:39.52
Devin
but but president Hinkley president Hinkley did not look like he was ready to go for a run the last few years but but yeah, yeah okay so you’ve got a couple of birthdays.

03:46.10
Geoff
No, he slowed he he he noticeably slowed down there near the end.

03:50.22
Hailey
My first Prophet was kimball by the way I got I got a few under my belt before Hinkley yeah were contemporaries. Yeah.

03:55.84
Geoff
I which which which mine mine too. Officially yeah yes, Kimball was in Kimball. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:57.93
Devin
You’ve had a few yeah better I think I think mine was David o mckay though I don’t remember him at all being the prophet. Yeah.

04:06.92
Geoff
You you’re not that old Devin come on. But then again when David O Mckay died everyone thought we’d have Harold B Lee for a long time and then that didn’t last and then Joseph fielding smith was very ill we to have a very quick jump between Mckay and then it was only a matter of like 3 years to get the kimball.

04:13.92
Devin
Yeah.

04:19.68
Devin
Yeah I actually met to what’s his name. The the guy you mentioned after David O mckay what was his name and harold be the yeah I actually met shook his hand during his 10 years profit

04:31.10
Geoff
Harold B Lee

04:31.87
Hailey
Harold beeley.

04:37.20
Devin
That was my first the first profit I met yeah yeah, it was like I was like six years old I remember thinking it was really a cool deal to meet the Prophet.

04:37.50
Geoff
That’s something second second shortest in modern church history. Yeah.

04:46.49
Hailey
Wow.

04:46.83
Geoff
I have always been impressed. You know the Lord’s hand is in this I think some of this is just life. But I do see the Lord’s hand in a lot of it like just the fact that you’ve got someone like president David Omakay who was president for like 20 years basically this whole stretch and he slowed down too by the end.

05:00.86
Devin
Um, yeah.

05:03.93
Geoff
When president Lee was coming and he was comparatively young and people thought president Lee was going to be around for a very long time then he got sick and passed away Joseph E Smith had a lot of health problems and they actually manifested themselves and he didn’t last president Kimball had major health problems and so I mean I’ve talked to my mom about this many times and she was like yeah after the previous 2 profits. Dying reasonably quickly when president kimball came in everyone was like oh man we’re gonna like go through this again like he’s not gonna last long either and then he was around for a a very long time and he last um it was at least that long I he died in what 85 I believe I just don’t remember what year he officially hopped on. Yeah.

05:27.90
Hailey
Um, yeah.

05:27.17
Devin
Yeah, what was it ten or twelve years yeah yeah I think it was Eddie if I was right after my mission because I remember I I had met him as well as a young man I lived in his ward and ah, kind of. Knew him visited him in his home and but but the.

05:48.50
Geoff
So hold on on I kind of knew him and visited him in his home I think you’re underplaying your relationship to church leadership. Yeah, okay.

05:53.96
Devin
Yeah, it was like it was a cool thing. Ah I remember it was his birthday ah back in and what 1976 and we were talking about the fact that it was president Kimball’s birthday and I thought wow. President Kimball’s birthday today and he lives right up the street so I ran home from primary you know I’m like 11 years old I ran home I made him a birthday card and ran up the street and took it to his house and like I don’t know if I don’t think he had a security guy that parked out front all the time. But I think he wasn’t there. So I just went to the door. Knocked on the door president Kimball opened the door brought me in introduced me to his wife. We chatted for a while I gave him the birthday card wished him well and went home. Ah, yeah, yeah, it was a cool thing. It’s cool. Yeah that’s right? yeah.

06:38.24
Hailey
Wow.

06:41.90
Geoff
That’s awesome. The the things you can do in Salt Lake City I guess when you and the closest thing I have to that there there was a a female associate of mine who no I did not actually date but lived up in like the avenues in Salt Lake City when I was in college at byu.

06:44.22
Hailey
Ah, you know in the 70 s or 80 s.

06:49.24
Devin
Yeah, the things.

06:58.66
Geoff
And her roommate was president faust’s granddaughter and 1 time she texted me and she was like president Faust’s just like over here hanging out with us right now like we’re watching pride and prejudice. We’re just like kicking it the cure and Knightley version. But but and so that alone is funny but then he says to them I’m paraphrasing but this is second hand. But.

07:09.75
Devin
Yeah.

07:18.20
Geoff
He says to them have you ever been on a tour of like the Salt Lake temple and they’re like well we’ve done sessions there. He’s like okay so he took them on like a tour of the upper like the whole temple like the upper rooms like walking them around like this is where the 12 meet here’s the first presidncies area. Oh there’s the holy of holies down the down the hallway right there.

07:28.57
Devin
Oh wow.

07:34.26
Hailey
Wow, That’s a nice flex. But.

07:36.38
Devin
My gosh.

07:37.98
Geoff
Yeah, right I mean I remember hearing about this I was like you kidding me like I what can you tell? can you tell me if you like no, you’re gonna watch this like like next time can you put on something very long put on like Pat or Lawrence of Arabia or something and I will get my car and just happen upon you’d say I was in the neighborhood. Um.

07:41.60
Hailey
Ah, is like this movie is pretty cool but ah.

07:44.21
Devin
Yeah. Ah.

07:57.93
Geoff
But other than that ah I’ve met President oakes. That’s that’s the most I’ve got. Yeah yeah.

07:59.69
Hailey
Same.

08:00.90
Devin
That’s cool. Yeah I I had a weird you know my last and of this will be my last story of this ilk please forgive me but I I was day I actually had a very good friend in the Benson family.

08:05.69
Geoff
So ah, it’s okay.

08:14.25
Devin
And so I was introduced to 1 of his granddaughters and went out with her a couple of times and but she was living with president Benson she was like kind of a personal aid to him. You know as a granddaughter and so when I would pick her up to go out on a date I would pick her up at president Benson’s place ah

08:32.12
Geoff
Please tell me you got into politics given your politics and president Benson’s politics I really want that to be.

08:33.98
Devin
So at.

08:38.99
Devin
Yeah I was inspired by president Benson to get into politics. So but yeah though so the first time I picked her up. She actually took me upstairs and kind of gave me a tour and president Benson was just like asleep in his bedroom and we didn’t go into his bedroom and like count the snoring. But.

08:53.51
Geoff
Ah, you should have gone in should just just just just loomed it just stood over him just like awkwardly just looming above him. Um.

08:58.83
Devin
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, when you grow up in Salt Lake there are weird things that happen weird things that happen.

09:01.20
Hailey
So but.

09:06.70
Geoff
Yeah, no I I believe it well the time at president oakes was it was the last conference in the tabernacle before they inaugurated the conference center so I went up there from California for that and back then it I did I do miss this the brother and would often just kind of walk the aisles before it started. They wouldn’t just sit up on the stand. But.

09:20.58
Devin
Um.

09:24.78
Geoff
Resolutely now it makes sense conference centers very large I get it. But these are just kind of walk around the tabernacle just greeting people and saying hi and shaking hands and so he just came down our aisle and I always remember there was this little old lady next to me and my mom and he’s shaking hands and she just says she shakes his hand and she says and now who are you. And he and I loved it because he just said he’s like oh I’m I’m Brother Oaks. That’s always I’m Brother Oaks. It’s nice to see you and I was like all right good deal that was that my favorite thing that was a great experience and then if you’ve ever been in like.

09:44.46
Devin
And.

09:50.29
Devin
Ah, ah.

09:56.10
Geoff
Devin have you ever been down like in the parking lot for the church office and administration buildings and that you know that parking lot. You know the spiral ramp that comes off of east temple that goes down there if you go in there to get into the administration building the one with the 70 s not the office building. There is a vestibule to get in from the parking lot and it’s just it’s just a funny. Ah.

10:02.28
Devin
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

10:15.64
Geoff
Funny juxtaposition because you have a parking lot a parking structure right? but then behind some glass is this room. It’s all this wood paneling the typical plush chairs and a security guard and stuff and it just seems so out of place because it visually it looks like it’s just sitting in the middle of a parking lot. But that’s how you get in so we were going to my mom’s boss was in the 70 at the time and as we’re waiting in this little room next to a parking lot and just outside the door in the parking lot. There’s a line of 15 toyota avalons for the for the brethren I don’t know if they had to hook up at a dealership or ah, who knows what? but I thought that was kind of funny and there all other spaces are marked.

10:35.18
Devin
Oh wow.

10:52.20
Geoff
And ah Neil a Maxwell just walks out going to his car but he was the coolest guy he stopped what he was doing it just walked over and talked to us for like 5 minutes before he took off and that was just fun. Yeah, and yeah, we’re all just sharing fun stories of of mostly not alive church leaders anymore. So.

10:59.15
Devin
Now that is cool. It is cool.

11:06.45
Devin
Yeah, yeah, he’s he he might he in my mind. He’s probably the smartest Apostle we’ve ever had. Yeah, he was like wicked smart.

11:13.36
Geoff
He was famous for that? Yeah yeah, it was a a wicked spot. So I do agree with you Sure I mean if if you’re if you’re from England Further yeah.

11:21.32
Devin
Can you say Wicked Smart about a an apostle I don’t know maybe I’m okay I don’t know it sounds inappropriate but let’s let’s pretend. It’s appropriate.

11:23.28
Hailey
I Think so yeah, it’s appropriate.

11:32.87
Hailey
Ah, that way it works.

11:33.36
Geoff
Anyway, yes, president Nelson I was even telling my kids like he’s so he’s just so sprightly he’s just bouncing around just I I’m gonna be stunned whenever he passes away because I wonder if it’s gonna randomly happen one day and it’s not going to be like there’s a slowdown.

11:40.18
Devin
Um, yeah, we all will wouldn’t it be something you know, almost no one lives past 115 but 115 wouldn’t you wouldn’t it be weird to see. You know president Nelson go through this whole process. You know sir is president for 2025 years I mean it’d be some.

12:02.45
Geoff
So if he made it till 115 that’d be really bizarre because then you’d be talking a lot of his wouldbe successors would all also not.

12:10.18
Hailey
Ah, he would outlive all of them. Yeah.

12:10.42
Devin
Yeah, yeah, he would yeah I mean he would probably attend. Ah, ah David a bedner’s funeral and that would you know think about that because when when David at Bednar was was called into the corner of the 12 at age 12 We all thought well he was going to be president for sure.

12:19.45
Geoff
So here we go. This is very forget.

12:26.10
Geoff
Ah, well, he’s 69 now he turns seventy this year so he could still be around he that mean I mean if you’re talking eighteen more years of president Nelson till’ 115 he could still be around elder benar could still be around. It’s a maybe it’s.

12:29.55
Hailey
Oh, where does the time. Go.

12:29.81
Devin
Um, yeah, it’s hard to believe. Yeah.

12:40.74
Devin
Yeah, he could, but but but but president. Yeah it you know lot of people die before eighty eight a lot of people do it is it is I don’t mean to be so specific. But yeah.

12:45.12
Geoff
Gonna be a maybe for me, but everybody elses. Yeah,, That’s this this is this is a bizarrely morbid Conversation. We’re having right now and and if I did feel like I hate to lean on it. I Almost felt like president Ballard seemed much more slowed down than he has in a previous talk and and this document.

13:00.69
Hailey
Me.

13:02.89
Devin
Yes, yeah.

13:05.28
Hailey
Yeah, well and didn’t he say he he I thought I heard him say because that was one that I was I was doing something else I was listening didn’t he say he had something happen to his eye while he was giving his talk was like.

13:17.68
Geoff
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

13:19.15
Devin
Yeah, that’s right, he did you? Yeah, he had something happened that he lost his vision for a few days and then or no he lost his vision in one eye. That’s what it is.

13:23.30
Hailey
That I did not hear that or I didn’t remember that.

13:28.56
Geoff
Um, it was ah he was sad. He was like he said during general conference. He said while he said while I was speaking I suddenly lost vision in one eye he had macular degeneration.

13:34.74
Hailey
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that was the first time he knew about it. But.

13:42.91
Devin
Yep, and yeah.

13:45.20
Geoff
So can you imagine you’re giving a conference talk you’re looking, You’re doing the shift you’re looking at the teleprompters then just.

13:50.90
Devin
And and one of them doesn’t work anymore. Yeah, but I wonder if he recognized the.

13:52.84
Hailey
Yeah, well and I I made a mental note I’m like I want to go back and watch talk and see if you notice when he’s like oh boyic I’m blind in one eye. But yeah, yeah.

13:53.56
Geoff
And just boom. It’s crazy.

13:59.71
Devin
Yeah, half.

14:02.41
Geoff
And if there’s a moment if there’s a moment if he did he help he hit it pretty well though I remember that Pat remember that time when ah elder worthlin started kind of it wasn’t convulsing but he I couldn’t stop shaking at the podium I always remember that and always remember that it was just you know elder Nelson Elder Nelson just stood up casually just.

14:07.83
Devin
Um, yeah.

14:15.77
Hailey
Shaking.

14:16.23
Devin
Um, oh yeah.

14:22.28
Hailey
Yeah, love to see that. Yeah for sure me.

14:22.51
Geoff
Quietly and just kind of steadied him and I always thought that was it was a sweet moment. Yeah.

14:22.59
Devin
Yeah, yeah, well I’d forgotten that that’s a that’s a great story. It’s a touching little story and about our current profit. That’s a sweet story.

14:33.62
Geoff
No, that was really moving so and I remember so president ballergium mars were interesting to me because they almost seemed like it was kind of like a grab bag of like the stuff I know basically is what he was talking about. He talked about so he’s thankful for hindsight vision other types of vision but he spoke a lot about his mission to England the remarkable growth we’ve seen since. But nearly ten years since lowering the missionary age and he kind of leaned on what president Nelson had talked about right about go on a mission like seriously go on a mission and.

14:59.55
Hailey
Yeah, a lot of talk or a few talks about boys need to go on those missions which I thought was interesting I’m not sure.

15:00.55
Devin
Um, yeah, yeah, they hadn’t really been beating that drum quite as heavily in recent years but boy they got that out with the big, the big that big. What do you call it. Big bass drum right.

15:18.38
Hailey
Yes.

15:19.20
Geoff
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:20.28
Devin
Boom You know the marching Band Bass drum boys go on missions That’s the deal. Yeah.

15:23.67
Hailey
Yeah, so are the numbers of like are they dropping is it is it Covid related I don’t know I’m curious.

15:30.89
Geoff
Well Haley since you’re asking. Um I don’t know everything but I enjoy stats and so I don’t know everything but when they released the well I yes, yes.

15:34.62
Devin
Jeff knows everything.

15:37.67
Hailey
Ah, you know I Just like should throw out questions that no’s the answer. Do.

15:43.84
Devin
But he does have Google.

15:50.20
Geoff
Have the Google but I also have um, they released the statistical report for the year and it does show us some say I can see why they’re pushing for this covid has absolutely had an impact on the number of missionaries so we had about 67000 full time proselytizing missionaries out in 2019

16:07.46
Hailey
K.

16:09.96
Geoff
That number dropped to fifty one thousand and Twenty Twenty that was a 23% drop in the number of of full-time missionaries which is yeah well it would basically mean I’m assuming you would mean someones they did really some kind of early because of the covid circumstances but it also indicates that they were just not replenishing at the same rate.

16:12.29
Hailey
Okay, but that would include some that got sent home.

16:22.13
Hailey
The hearth.

16:23.24
Devin
Um.

16:29.29
Hailey
Right? They couldn’t travel and yes like that.

16:29.89
Geoff
That they were losing people right because I and understandably a lot of kids probably like my my hat goes off to those who put in their papers and served missions willingly during Covid I mean I Ah yeah, like at this point we have sister, especially we have sister missionaries in our ward we have seen.

16:39.68
Hailey
Oh it’s It’s unbelievable. Like yeah.

16:49.42
Geoff
Ones that have come in and out and they’ve spent their entire mission in pandemic circumstances stances and that’s all they’ve known for a whole mission and like I admire them I would hate that so much if I were a missionary dealing with that. Ah so so good for them. Ah. We rebounded a little bit in 2021. We’re up to 54000 or so missionaries which is a slight increase. But we’re still like 18% off of where we were in 2019. So yeah, yeah, and of course the numbers of the numbers have bounced around a lot like 2012 was when they dropped the the age.

17:12.55
Hailey
Okay, so they really do have a way to go to get back to 2020 pre covid

17:16.28
Devin
Now.

17:23.74
Devin
And that we got a big surge then it was like we got almost to a 0 was that 90000 or so wasn’t it.

17:25.56
Geoff
To 18 huge surge down. We went from? Oh let me look here so in in 2012 we had 58009 90 serving this is october of 2012 when president Monson made the announcement to change the the age at the end of 2013 we had 83000 missionaries serving a 29% jump. We got all the way up to 85000 that was the peak in 2014 and after that it kind of like equalized after the surge effect but it’s still leveled out at like 74 70000 but it’s been dropping six but it’s been like in the mid to high sixty s pretty consistently for a little bit so now it’s a lot lower.

17:58.30
Devin
Yeah.

18:03.98
Geoff
And I’m sure the the other little data point I crunched on this though is sort of the percentage of Missionaries as a proportion of total just global membership of the church. Essentially what percentage of members of the church are on missions which is of course much smaller than total membership and that’s the big number that’s dropped it.

18:05.56
Hailey
K.

18:21.43
Geoff
Ton so that is down to point three two percent and to be clear none of the numbers are ever above like a single percent because imagine how many missionaries you’d have out if even 1% of the church’s membership was on a mission that’d be 168000 missionaries at in a given time but that number used to be much higher like point five five percent

18:28.69
Devin
Right? right? right? right.

18:35.19
Hailey
This.

18:40.24
Geoff
Point even let’s see it got up to yeah, got up to like almost point six percent after 2012 that’s the one I think they’re concerned about because the church numbers are growing but a smaller proportion of those who can serve our going and are choosing to go and so I think that’s.

18:49.68
Devin
F m.

18:54.58
Hailey
As as far as like um the numbers between like men and women going I’ve noticed that since they dropped the age in my ward at least on a local level. Um, it’s about the same. It’s about fifty fifty ah that are always you know men and women that are out. At the same time which I think is pretty cool.

19:14.31
Geoff
I yeah I love that I’ve seen I’ve seen the same thing at least as far as sisters going far more women going out because they don’t feel like you know you know when you write until you’re 21 it’s very easy to say I’ve got like one more year college left at this point I might as well. Just so I think it’s great dropping it down I remember someone asked.

19:14.44
Devin
That is cool.

19:26.41
Hailey
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

19:33.11
Geoff
Elder Holland when they announced this all those years ago they said well why not just drop the girls to 18 as well and he just said 1 miracle at a time that was his excuse so I don’t know what it means but that’s fine I’ve seen that too and it’s been great I love having more sisters in the field compared to I don’t know if we actually publish those stats for how many are women versus versus.

19:47.76
Hailey
Um, yeah I know.

19:51.30
Geoff
Man but that be good to know so this is obviously a concern for the church. You know our our growth rate has slowed substantially covid of course. But even before covid the overall growth rate of the church was slowing more and more year upon year, but all these are just hard numbers to be clear like I’d rather have.

20:06.44
Devin
Yeah, yeah.

20:10.81
Geoff
Ah, hundred and sixty eight thousand baptisms where 2 wo-thirds of them are going to remain active then you know 300000 baptisms and a quarter of them are going to stay active right? I mean it’s but we’ve all heard these stories over the decades of missions that were we could say recklessly baptizing people wantonly baptizing people with yeah.

20:17.69
Devin
Yeah, yeah, and there there is this notion in in the church that you know I grew up with right that you know the church would.

20:24.66
Hailey
Um, yeah.

20:35.51
Devin
You know fill north and South America and then cover the world and and and and I think ah we really have this in some ways wrong I think we look at that and feel like if we’re not growing by 1 or two percent a year if we’re not having you know serious numbers of baptisms and children that somehow we’re failing because the church isn’t growing quickly enough and and I just don’t see it that way. You know the the savior talked about the members of the church. Basically as as the salt of the earth right. And ah, you know a light on a hill and and you can do that with very small numbers right? So we get temples all around the world now and I know you’ll want to talk about that Jeff but but yeah I think the the fulfillment of that prophecy doesn’t require us to have a.

21:25.89
Geoff
Yeah, sure I.

21:34.30
Devin
Two point four billion members right? and you know those.

21:37.70
Geoff
But how awesome would that be two point four billion like what do you think of that pope we got this? yeah.

21:41.78
Hailey
I Think everyone the world would get a little nervous I think that happens.

21:45.28
Devin
Yeah, so anyway I think I think it’s just fine that the church is its growth is slowing I Hate to say that I’m I’m the word mission leader now. So that’s really weird for me to say. But yeah, the other there.

21:58.70
Geoff
So they’re really looking to you for guidance and hope and inspiration the stakes. The stake is bothering you for like baptismal goals and you’re like 0 one who’s to ser.

22:04.00
Devin
I Teach a few. Yeah.

22:04.30
Hailey
Ah, ah, we’re fine. We’re good.

22:10.37
Devin
At 2

22:12.93
Hailey
But you know, but really honestly part of missionary work is you know retaining the ones that you have and so you need to strengthen them as well and not just look for the next big thing.

22:17.20
Devin
Yeah, yeah, and our word is doing great on missionary work by the way then it’s not because of me but it’s sure fun to see the for doing great on missionary work.

22:29.77
Geoff
So and that’s so important I mean I’ve been in places where the missionaries are able to get people baptized on the regular. But then like if the ward is not ready to support them in that and if the candidates are not ready to really understand what they’re doing it. Just yeah, then you’re all, you’re doing is just boosting up your numbers of baptisms.

22:42.40
Devin
Um, yeah. I Yeah I Love my new ward.

22:48.31
Geoff
And youre many ways you’re like damning these people more than you would be otherwise and I hate to say it that way. but but yeah that’s oh I saw this a lot when I was living over in Scotland for grad school I was the award so I was like the co-ward mission leader. There is how we did it. We had 2 of us.

22:51.76
Hailey
E.

23:04.10
Geoff
And it was a struggle like there were so many missionaries in our ward because there was one ward in Edinburgh but it was also the home of the mission office. The assistants were there all the office elders were there and because there was 1 word for the whole city. You had a lot of missionaries to cover a city of a million people even though there’s just one ward there so there was like 16 missionaries in our ward or something like that and you can imagine there were. Productive. Um I remember once we had almost. We had it out with them because the ward could not afford to keep filling the font every single week for baptisms because they were like they’re like it costs the word £100 every week every time you do this. It costs us £100 and energy costs to fill the font. Can we please at least do this biweekly instead and the mission I get it because like haven’t been a missionary especially abroad you you think you’re the one who knows better like hey I’m I’m the north american missionary like I am here to tell you the truth about the way. The church is run um and there was an element to that like just the way we.

23:42.59
Hailey
Oh no.

23:43.40
Devin
Whoa.

23:52.87
Devin
Um, yeah, yeah.

24:02.23
Geoff
Duke it out but it hurt Ward Morale is what I was getting at there were so many baptisms all the time when the ward. Never it seemed like the war never had a chance to like get to know these people and understand them better and help lay the foundation for them to have a strong relationship with the gospel so it was like 1 in 8 that would actually kind of stick around the rest were just sort of just just being pushed through and it was.

24:08.10
Devin
Yeah.

24:08.53
Hailey
Oh yeah, in.

24:18.10
Devin
Yeah, yeah I know I’ve been really impressed with my ward. You know we we do our little coordination meetings and everyone’s jazzed up and you know the members are jazzed up and we got great missionaries So it’s it’s been.

24:20.12
Hailey
Um, yeah.

24:21.10
Geoff
So I’m with you on that on that front Devin like as long as we can keep the quality up. It’s.

24:35.90
Devin
It’s been good for me, you know when I moved into this ward I have to tell you when I moved into the ward like three and a half months ago my big fear. It’s so so spot on I was literally afraid they would call me to be the ward mission leader and.

24:47.47
Hailey
Ah, oh yeah.

24:52.15
Devin
So it’s been very good for me to you know a little lessen in humility. So anyway we should talk about general conference I Think that’s why you called it’s here. Yeah yeah.

24:59.38
Geoff
Yeah, yeah, it’s okay, it’s all tangal so you did you did mention Temples Dev and we might as well cover that right now. Obviously obviously we are always everyone’s excited. We’re all very accustomed to the Nelson Era of not just.

25:02.10
Hailey
Ah, hey we were missionaries where we’re on topic.

25:09.28
Devin
Yeah, go to that because I know you love to talk about that.

25:18.33
Geoff
Even like a few temples being announced I remember when president Monson was that’s when we kind of gotten this cadence where there’d be like 7 to 9 temples announced every conference and I got to that point if you remember president monson once said, we’ve announced a lot of temples where we’re hitting the brakes this time around I’m not announcing anything new. We want to focus on the ones we’re trying to get in development.

25:37.52
Hailey
No I know I always like turning the page to like a fresh page in my notebook I’m like okay I need a whole all the lines. But.

25:37.70
Geoff
Um, never expect that from president Nelson I think president Nelson is just like nope nope nope. Nope. Nope.

25:45.57
Devin
Yeah, yeah.

25:46.27
Geoff
And so so here we are of course and I almost wondered if he was actually gonna do that this time because in his at the end of his remarks. He kind of let off and said we’ve announced many temples we’re considering how ah forgot his verbiage but he basically said like we’re considering how many of these are in development I thought he might say.

25:58.29
Hailey
Ah, yeah.

26:04.67
Geoff
We’ve got to. We don’t want to have let the backlog be too significant, but no, no, no, he’s like.

26:07.90
Devin
Yeah, yeah I would yeah he he fakeked me out there with that little move is he kind of choked us.

26:07.58
Hailey
It was a it was a real twist there. But.

26:16.00
Geoff
he’s he’s stasy oh I got to fix the article I wrote too oops this tells you this this tells you about writers by the way I’d pre-written an article and it’s I forgot to edit this. It says he closed the conference by announcing xx temples in the following locations I’m supposed to put a number there. Oops boo-boo on Jeff.

26:17.31
Hailey
Ah.

26:26.90
Hailey
Oh O C seventeen.

26:32.83
Geoff
But he announced 17 temples everybody which is a number that cracks me up only because and we had learned last year president Nelson had announced more temples than any other church president in history and as of the October conference he only needed to announce 17 temples. To get to having announced one hundred temples during his tenure. So I’m not one to say the way the lord works but part of it makes me laugh like is this like you were feeling sixteen and thought there could be an extra roll. We could chuck on there because he doesn’t love it. Nice.

26:57.94
Hailey
Whoa.

27:07.90
Devin
A yeah yeah.

27:08.11
Hailey
Um, you’re not the only one who likes stats. Apparently.

27:09.62
Geoff
Round 100 yeah I just thought that was kind of it just as you read through all of modes like that’s 17 They’re actually I was laughing like before conference when we did our temple predictions we were kind of laughing like let’s see if he announced 17 temples and there we go. Um.

27:23.45
Hailey
Oh my gosh.

27:24.13
Devin
Asked.

27:28.20
Geoff
So temples announced. Yes, many many temples here. So Wellington New Zealand which is going to put 3 temples on the North Island of New Zealand still not one down on the South Island near Christ Church but Wellington’s the capital of New Zealand it’s on the southern part of the big island Brazaville republic of the Congo which we talked about in our temple predictions if you want to know really really useless stats here. And I know you do for for our listeners who might not be as international relations inclined. There’s a republic of the Congo and there’s the democratic republic of the congo they are separate countries that’s largely just a a vestige of just european colonialism republic republic of the Congo was a.

27:55.12
Hailey
Oh.

28:00.76
Devin
Um, right.

28:05.85
Geoff
A french colony and democratic republic of the Congo which is also known as zaire was a belgian colony and so even though they’re right next to each other on the Congo River and they have the same basic name there you go. So.

28:14.84
Devin
Well and there’s an important distinction too I would just add that the republic of the Congo is relatively speaking thriving growing prospering the democratic the DRC is a mess. It’s.

28:30.30
Geoff
The DC has a lot of interethnic strife. Yeah, they’ve got there’s some issues but we have what 2 temples in the we’ve got a temple in Kinshasa the capital of the democratic republic of the Congo another one coming elsewhere is in the country as well.

28:33.82
Devin
It’s arguably the the the poorest country in the world.

28:35.54
Hailey
Wow.

28:43.38
Devin
Um, yeah.

28:49.23
Geoff
I think 2 actually got 1 in Lubu bushy lubashi and 1 in caninga I think but the fun stat is that the capital cities of each countries sit across the Congo River from one another they’re the most closely located sovereign capital cities in the entire world there. You go folks, you can use that in your at like at work or ah.

28:53.52
Devin
That’s great.

29:04.36
Hailey
Wow.

29:05.73
Devin
Look at that. Yeah because we’re all at the pub quizzes on Friday nights.

29:09.31
Geoff
Pub quiz something like that they said ah and there is no yes and there’s no bridge connecting the 2 which is kind of funny. They’re talking about that but they sit across a river from one another and they’re not connected in any way other than by ferry but so this will also mean that each city will have a temple and it’ll mean you’ll have. Temples located in capital the 2 capital cities closest to each other in the world if that’s a metric that matters for anybody. But.

29:33.56
Devin
Will those 2 temples end up I guess we don’t know where the new temple will be but it’d be interesting. Interesting to see if they are the closest temples. There are some close temples in Utah.

29:41.15
Geoff
Well at least for like so like like for separate nations I would assume cause I don’t think they’re gonna be closer than like the Ochre mountain and the South Jordan Temples or anything like that you know, but.

29:49.16
Devin
Well ochre mountain and South Jordan are like ten miles apart if there’s just a river between them anyway, yeah we need to we need to pay attention to this Jeff so in 6 years when it’s done. We got to come back and finish this conversation.

29:54.21
Geoff
All right? Well we’re gonna figure we’ll figure this out Devin as the time comes okay all right? Okay, Devin we’re half an hour in and I’ve only read 2 temples. We gotta get through that. So um, okay.

30:06.60
Devin
Yeah, sorry.

30:09.60
Geoff
Ah, one I’m super psycked about Barcelona Spain we talked about in our predictions. That’s so great for me I serve my mission in Barcelona very excited about that. That’s awesome. That’s that’s just ah, good stuff there I don’t want to nerd out too much about it. But that’s I did not know if I’d see the day and I just want to personally thank all of the peruvian immigrants that basically hold the church up.

30:13.41
Hailey
Yay.

30:14.58
Devin
I But I knew you’d be happy about that one.

30:29.90
Geoff
And that part of the world. So thank you immigrants from latin America for letting the church grow in spainan. So it is not the spanish or the Kotalan people who are doing it and mass that’s cool, a Birmingham United Kingdom that’s kind of interesting. We thought maybe a temple would go up in Scotland but that’ll be the third temple in England so I’ll be great. acousco peru very cool. Ah, maeo Brazil santos Brazil and San Luis Poto c mexico also Mexico City benimmer benimmerreto I notice speak spanish what am I doing benimmerito. Thank you um. That one’s significant because Benimedrio is where the church ran a high school for a long time. They only closed a couple of years ago I am guessing that campus is what will become a temple instead Tampa Florida I’m sure all your compatriots in Jacksonville were like come on Devin ah.

31:13.99
Devin
Yay yeah, we’re we’re excited now we look. We’re gonna have 3 temples in Florida that’s pretty exciting. Oh that’s right.

31:21.42
Geoff
No, you’re at 4 the building one in Tallahassee too. So ah, my brother was so my brother served his mission in Knoxville Tennessee so he’s very excited about the temple being announced there which does fill a really big like hole in the map if you look at where that area of the world is assigned. They’re either.

31:22.18
Hailey
Oh.

31:27.77
Devin
Yeah, yeah.

31:35.82
Hailey
Yeah I wondered about that. Yeah.

31:41.25
Geoff
There’s the king like the Kingsport stake which is in Tennessee on the border with Virginia is assigned to a temple in South Carolina and then Knoxville and chattanooger are assigned to Nashville and like everything in between like Asheville goes down to South Carolina it’s kind of ah there’s a big hole right there so that’s cool. Ah Cleveland with Ohio which is great old kurtland territory.

31:45.60
Hailey
So oh.

32:00.42
Geoff
Just want to note that Corey Ward one of our buddies sent me a picture that’s the church’s own press release talked about the history around Cleveland which is of course Kurtland right? Kurtland is nearby except they wrote Kirkland I e costco and got to fix that one but I’ve been but I’ve been there too.

32:08.84
Devin
Living. Ah.

32:17.59
Hailey
Kirkland.

32:19.75
Geoff
Ah, last 4 oh the last five Wichita Kansas that’s when we talked about our predictions Austin Texas we did predict in our predictions that’s great. Missoula Montana didn’t know if they’d get 1 after the temple was announced in Helena but they’ve got that one going Mont Pelier Idaho when president Nelson started saying Mont pely or at first I thought he was going to say Vermont you know. But no mpeier Idaho is basically the cash valley side of Idaho just off bare lake it’s that neck of the woods and then good old Modesto California central valley represent. Awesome so lot of lot of temple action happening going around.

32:44.28
Devin
Um, oh okay, f yeah.

32:52.74
Hailey
Um, yeah.

32:57.36
Devin
Um, now.

32:58.73
Hailey
That’s cool.

32:59.30
Geoff
I’m sure there will come in various sizes and dimensions and that’ll be fun. So good job president nelson good job temple people do any of these temples excite any of you more than others I was really hoping for a temple and car out of Springs Haley that was one thing I called for but it did not come to pass.

33:12.82
Hailey
Yeah, oh well. Alas I don’t.

33:15.91
Devin
Yeah I was excited for Tampa.

33:20.46
Geoff
You’re like I don’t care I live near the temple I live near the temple in Denver I’m good. It doesn’t matter whatever they need. Yeah, this is good stuff. It’s pretty cool to see how this is I like it becomes increasingly difficult to predict where a temple might go because president Nelson’s just letting them go up in all kinds of.

33:21.86
Hailey
Ah I like 10 minutes I’m good and.

33:38.19
Hailey
No I think it’s very cool. It’s yeah well.

33:38.42
Geoff
Locales at this point so um, talks which which talk who wants to lead off with any talk that was meaningful influential something you want to hit up I like that Devin came in her with like an agenda. No, you’re good. You’re good.

33:47.14
Devin
I have a I have a list of several but I I don’t want to hog I talk too much. Okay, so so I think there’s yeah, well let me talk about 1 so elder Kieran spoke and I think his talk.

33:52.89
Hailey
No go ahead. So.

34:06.92
Devin
Will be the talk from this conference that is most read fifty or a hundred years from now this talk was historic. It will be read and quoted forever. It will save lives. It will change the world. It was significant but elder Kieran talked about.

34:11.30
Geoff
I think it? Yeah yeah.

34:11.21
Hailey
Oh wow.

34:25.53
Devin
How victims of sexual assault are not guilty of Sin Now we would all say well of course not that’s obvious when was the last time someone said this in general conference to the best of my recollection. No one’s ever said this as profoundly as clearly as enthusiastically as he did. And talk about wounded hearts that need to be touched. He did just a perfect job of that and like I say people will quote this talk oftentimes in private conversations. Ah forever and and they’ll pass this around and in groups of people. Read it tearfully and cope help help him cope with horrible horrible experiences and I’m so grateful for that. So that was one of my favorites.

35:10.42
Hailey
Yeah, 1

35:10.69
Geoff
I think it might have been the to me it was probably like the talk of the conference like of all the ones I remember the most I think that one stuck out I like the way we framed it to. We talked about survival stories hms endurance which we just saw in the news in the past month right they found the the ship.

35:18.40
Devin
Yeah.

35:26.62
Devin
Cap.

35:26.98
Geoff
Apollo 13 and he talked about survival of families victimized by war there was a lot of allusions to the situation in Ukraine without naming it for a little while and I didn’t think he limited his remarks to sexual abuse necessarily it seemed to me he was talking about just abuse that was part of it. But yeah, just abuse in general I mean I love that he said no one is ever asking for aggression.

35:40.56
Devin
Yeah. F.

35:46.00
Geoff
You could absolutely how many times have you heard that when it comes to something like sexual abuse that they were asking for it which is terrible.

35:50.57
Devin
Yeah, yeah, oh some of the things that we say to victims are some have have traditionally been said and some of the things that the way we behave in the church and you know the byu honor code office is. Has become infamous for ah getting young women mostly in trouble with their bishops after they’ve been Victimized. Ah and it’s just wrong thinking and so it was great to hear him talk about that and.

36:24.91
Hailey
Yeah, agreed Yeah I can’t wait to read that one again.

36:26.30
Geoff
It was just it was a very.

36:27.89
Devin
And I hope we’ll all take it fully to heart.

36:31.99
Geoff
So if there’s a like if there’s such a thing as a short list in the upper ups for ah, future apostles when there’s vacancies I have to assume he’s on it. That’s all if such a thing exists if such a thing exists.

36:43.40
Devin
Yeah, him hit f.

36:44.21
Hailey
I Had that thought I had that thought too.

36:49.99
Geoff
I think I good um I remember elder Holland spoke right beforehand by the way I love their little playful banter they had yeah now that what that was very funny it’s funny I didn’t like get a ton of notes directly about elder Holland’s remarks actually.

36:53.88
Devin
Yeah, oh their jokes were so funny.

36:55.86
Hailey
Other joke.

37:05.30
Geoff
The funny thing is I remember he talked about you know the joke about conference being boring but was kind of funny is he didn’t actually spend his remarks explaining why conference was not boring. He just kind of had a laugh about a girl thinking conference was boring which was hilarious but I was also like are you gonna prove to this girl that conference is not boring because no.

37:06.46
Devin
Um, yeah. Yeah, yeah, which was great. It was the funniest joke of the whole conference for sure. No, but he just he said my name is Patrick geared and moved on. Yeah yeah.

37:24.50
Geoff
Yeah, which was which was pretty dart funny that that was really good. So.

37:26.17
Hailey
So yeah, he he just use that setup just for the joke to have nothing to do with his talk except he’s did say he was talking to the youth but not necessarily the little kids. But.

37:30.17
Geoff
Yeah.

37:30.91
Devin
Yeah, yeah, that was great. Yeah, it was great.

37:38.88
Geoff
Yeah, yeah.

37:39.30
Devin
But his talk was one of my favorites. It really was and he said something that struck me as the most important thing. Well I want to say I’m going to rank them for me personally.

37:42.69
Hailey
With more.

37:56.91
Devin
Was the second most important thing in the conference but he was talking about how ah some members have difficulty with some part of the gospel and I frankly think it’s not some members personally I think almost all members. There’s there’s a cheerleader subset. Tiny group that have no problem with anything. They love everything. The church does never have a question never have a doubt the rest of us struggle with some things and some of it’s not very big. We don’t struggle much but but we struggle with you know we got questions like why? Why did Joseph Smith lie about practicing polygamy. Why. Did he marry a 14 year old girl you know I mean there are questions that people have so he said if you are troubled by something stay in the church stay around. We want you here even if you don’t like the broccoli stay for the meal say for the whole banquet. And I don’t remember alla’s language but but it really struck me as an important message because the way I interpret it personally was even if you have doubts that’s normal. That’s fine. We want you in the church not out of the church. You’re welcome in full fellowowship. There’s nothing wrong with you. You’re not broken. You’re not messed up. You’re not to be set aside. You’re one of us you’re in join us stay with us. You’re cool. It’s all good and maybe I exaggerate but that’s the way that statement really hit me. And so I loved that I thought that was really an important talk.

39:31.65
Hailey
Yeah, and I always like it when they address like really difficult topics like head on like suicide and it’s instead of you know, just like kind of tiptoeing around it. You know, just the more they get comfortable.

39:38.10
Devin
Um, yeah.

39:38.71
Geoff
Oh like six months ago when they no.

39:47.15
Hailey
Like you know discussing those topics then the more we have tools that we can use to help others and.

39:51.14
Devin
And I was really glad that he did not you know, morally Condemn Suicide because when I grew up that was the reason not to commit suicide. Well that would make your heavenly father sad or that would.

40:08.70
Geoff
They Yeah, they’s they’d say they’d say you you you had you hadn’t committed murder just against yourself. That’s yeah yeah.

40:08.51
Devin
You know you couldn’t get into the celestial Kingdom if you commit it’s a sin right? and and he didn’t go there and I was so glad he didn’t go there and all the to me. He said all the right things. So.

40:09.64
Hailey
It’s a sin. Yeah, it was. That’s what they would say. Yeah.

40:24.60
Devin
Yes I appreciated his remarks on Suicide as well.

40:25.90
Geoff
And the church I mean the church officially changed its position essentially on that a few years ago I don’t know exactly when but we’ve we have changed our tune big time on that and said like we don’t understand the circumstances. Ah, we don’t know what’s going through someone’s head emotionally. But we’ve stressed that like suicide is not a 1 ne-way door to damnation.

40:43.50
Devin
Yeah I had the.

40:45.67
Geoff
Um, because I remember the same thing growing up I was always told like dude. No you can’t do that So selfish.

40:47.70
Hailey
Well even do you remember I think it was even Holland’s talk but back in the day of souls symbols and sacraments that do you guys remember that where he talks about the 2 like 1 of the 2 most important things Emily father is concerned with is how we get into this life and how we.

40:55.10
Geoff
The.

41:05.11
Hailey
Get out of it and so kind of saying like those are the 2 you know worst sins is kind of what what I was implying so it’s kind of interesting to see like the difference also from that time versus I don’t know.

41:13.30
Devin
Yeah I had the opportunity to speak. There was a bishop in my stake that eight weeks after seven weeks after he was released as a bishop he killed himself and ah.

41:29.12
Geoff
Wow.

41:29.29
Hailey
Oh.

41:32.81
Devin
Our state president whom I love deeply was not able to attend and he asked me to to go and speak and you can imagine. There’s a little bit of pressure speaking to this congregation. That’s just lost its recent bishop to Suicide and so yes I was.

41:38.85
Hailey
Wow.

41:52.38
Devin
I felt that personal connection to elder Holland’s remarks as well from that standpoint that he didn’t bring up the suicide as a sin kind of message because the the war member struggled with that a lot and so it was good.

42:07.82
Hailey
Yeah.

42:10.36
Geoff
Um I found there was an interesting thread across a few talks there was there was a big theme kind of on the Lord’s will being done the lord’s timing and a few talks two that stuck out of me were from this morning on Sunday morning DTalkChristoerson and then Amy A Wright the second counsellor in the primary general presidency.

42:18.23
Hailey
Yeah.

42:29.55
Geoff
Kind of back to back had different. They spoke about different facets of this but it was the same idea that you know our time of suffering like for elder christoperson we might feel that god has abandoned us when we suffer something that supposed obedience to god means fixed outcomes on a specific schedule on a specific. Scale like it’s very transactional in that sense I like that even called out. He’s like some may think if they refrained from schoolwork on the sabbath god will bless them with good grades and like I am one of those people who I tried to avoid doing schoolwork on the sabbath to make it a different yeah to make it a different day I don’t know if I took it as far and said like I know this thing is due tomorrow but it’s sunday.

42:57.80
Hailey
Yeah I’m like I did that in college.

43:07.24
Geoff
So you know I don’t think I took it quite to that level. But and also like if we pay our tithing. We’ll get a highpaing job which leans a little bit like more a prosperity doctrine which we don’t believe in his latter-day saints. Um I like that he’s stressed so much that like we go through trials. Try to be obedient. It does not mean that we set the terms. It does not mean that we set the timetable. It’s like he said god’s plan is not a cosmic vending machine which was fantastic verbiage to hear in general conference to whoever decided to say cosmic vending machine and work. That’s like it’s that’s a kind of thing like they dared him to I want to say elder gong sat there and he’s like. Cosmic vennding shena into remarks todd see if you can get that line in there. Um, it was a dare um also the name of mykaab band at one point cosmic family. So but I love this and Amy Wright spoke about kind of the same thing she talked about like we can spend a long time waiting on the lord like we.

43:46.79
Hailey
Ah, it was a dare in a text.

44:02.00
Geoff
Ah, her 1 line of this is paraphrased but she said you know our focus on deliverance from trials should be less on the way we are delivered and more on who provides the deliverance right? Keep our focus on the savior. So I thought and I think these weren’t the ones who talks that dealt on that but there was definitely this sort of theme running through of like be obedient have faith. Write it out but understand that the way you see that you are doing things like I’m doing x y z while receive abc is not necessarily the way god works and it might not happen when you think it’s going to happen and I just I appreciate reminders like that a lot in our lives I think it’s very easy to be transactional in the gospel and it’s very easy to be prescriptive. As latter day saints and expected if I do these certain things. These are the exact blessings I should expect but god doesn’t necessarily work like that way. You know you could be a full tithepayer and struggle with with steady employment like for years for decades even that could be like a thing that’s just a challenge for you your whole life. Um, and so these are these are just.

44:59.87
Hailey
Yeah.

45:00.33
Geoff
Good humbling reminders I think just to be patient’s I think it’s very easy to grow impatient with God because you feel like you’re doing everything right? Why isn’t something going your way.

45:04.59
Hailey
Well yeah, and there’s so many general conference talks that we do here where you know Sally did this and then this happened this miracle happened or you know they made this sacrifice and then they got this blessing whereas you know 90% of us. It doesn’t work that way you know like you.

45:12.45
Geoff
Yeah, yeah, no.

45:12.98
Devin
Yeah.

45:22.49
Hailey
Things go wrong and things happen and you fail and you know mess up and you’re not. You don’t always see that right away or the person does die or the Miracle doesn’t come you know and so you still have to find ways to maintain and build keep building that trust and that forward.

45:24.85
Devin
Um, yeah.

45:39.25
Geoff
The.

45:39.49
Devin
Now good point um take side note footnote ah Sister Wright is not married to a brother right? and she did not take her husband’s name. Her husband is Jim Mcconkey who is called.

45:40.11
Hailey
Focus that left.

45:53.14
Geoff
Oh my gosh.

45:58.21
Devin
Into the corner of this. Ah first corner of the 70 right? Yeah yeah.

45:59.38
Hailey
Oh I saw that was that Jim Mcconki the third there’s quite a few these days that’s interesting.

46:01.39
Geoff
Are they a power couple you you got. I have often wondered especially for the the sisters who are these in these general officer colleagues like the the path to getting there I’m just intrigued by that because I get it like when you’re a man. We’ll try it. Let’s try dispense with all of the patriarchal stuff but when you’re a man.. There’s not a path necessarily but maybe having that level of visibility has somewhat kind of more of a natural progression in a way like you might be a bishop at some point which put you on the radar of a stake presidency or and or stake president you’re on the radar of area Authority you know how it can be. But. There’s There’s not like a direct parallel all the time for women especially when you get into upper levels of Church Leadership. So I’ve always just been intrigued by how they are known like we just Found. We’re getting a new release society presidency and a new primary presidency and I’m just curious about like how these sisters know each other how they know to call.

46:49.38
Devin
Oh.

46:54.67
Devin
And.

47:00.63
Geoff
Who they want to have called to be their counselors and things like that. It’s a whole area that fascinates me and cause I know nothing about what they.

47:04.22
Devin
And I’m totally wrong by the way and I apologize for that hurt. Her husband’s her husband’s name is James mcconky right? So she didn’t take it. So.

47:13.12
Hailey
Oh okay, Okay, but there’s the mccon get it? Yeah I.

47:13.36
Geoff
Ah, okay, all the Mcconckys and irings.

47:19.35
Devin
Yeah, so I apologize yeah to just edit that whole thing out. Maybe you could maybe Jeff when you’re done. You can just edit out everything I say and there’d be no record that I was here at all that that might make for a better episode.

47:25.51
Geoff
No, no, no, no, no less fun.

47:29.22
Hailey
Ah, ah, um, according to like their bios that I’m looking at um on the newsroom site a lot of them serve on like the release Society General Advisory council or the young women general advisory council before. So I mean.

47:40.11
Geoff
Yeah, yeah.

47:49.80
Hailey
I’m sure they all meet together at you know different times and that.

47:54.21
Geoff
I may hope that I hope that makes sense I’m just yeah curious how you wind up being on the radar in those sorts of positions compared to other ones. That’s all I think it’s ah intriguing and speaking of some of the new sisters I think it’s fascinating that sister. Um Johnson who’s gonna be the new release society president has barely been in the primary presidency. So I think it’s.

48:02.00
Hailey
Yeah, so.

48:13.96
Geoff
Interesting to see the Lord’s hand at work there I almost saying like yeah we need you not the primary is not important but we need you to be. We need you here now instead but 1 of our counselors is sister yi runs the animation team for the church which is so cool I think that’s that’s super interesting.

48:27.60
Hailey
Yeah I saw that she worked for Disney previously. Yeah.

48:33.83
Geoff
Yeah, yeah, it’s really interesting stuff. So I just think that’s super cool I’m also intrigued why they’re waiting till August I don’t have any memory of that happening in the past of saying we are changing this up like we were expected to do so it’s been five years for the release society but they’re not doing it to August one no idea what the driving.

48:44.44
Devin
Um, yeah. I Think it’s smart.

48:50.92
Hailey
So in I in our ward. It’s always that you got to get through girls camp then you can’t put in someone new before a girls camp. You’re already planning it but I’m sure that it’s not that.

48:52.99
Geoff
Thought is behind that I’m just curious but.

48:56.00
Devin
Yeah.

49:01.73
Geoff
That’s.

49:02.87
Devin
No, these are big These these are big responsibilities and having ah having some transition time. Sure makes sense to me I think it’s great.

49:11.36
Geoff
Yeah, I’m just intrigued by I am going to miss I think the current general relief society presidency has been extremely influential in ways that people don’t always realize I think they’ve they’ve done some phenomena work in the five years they’ve been and I will miss sister Bingham I will miss sister ebank immensely.

49:19.12
Devin
Yeah.

49:28.60
Hailey
Oh yeah, yeah.

49:28.81
Devin
Yeah, she’s she’s a rock star in my mind she really is.

49:31.00
Geoff
And Sisterberzzo they’ve they’ve all been just just fantastic. Ah, we’re very very fortunate to have had them hanging out with us for the past little while. Ah.

49:37.37
Devin
Yeah.

49:38.40
Hailey
And I love sister well I like Sister Aberto’s talk about how she basically said the church is the members and that we all you know have an impact and I think I don’t know I just I like that I just like focusing I like.

49:43.25
Geoff
No.

49:57.74
Hailey
Talks when they focus on you know, just us doing our best you know and not necessarily like just the organization as a whole which can sometimes be flawed. But yeah, just the individuals on the ground just doing the best they can in their sphere of influence and it’s that’s very inspiring.

50:15.67
Geoff
Yeah.

50:17.16
Hailey
To me? Um, because otherwise sometimes I’d be inclined to be like you know you hear that you like it’s it’s don’t it’s not the people the god the gospel is is about Christ just don’t focus on the people but then to actually hear no let’s look at the people like there are good people doing awesome things. And making their contributions everywhere.

50:34.67
Devin
Have my favorite talk of the whole conference if I may and I don’t mean to cut you off, but but but that was Michael Ringwood elder Michael Ringwood spoke this morning and ah for me.

50:40.38
Geoff
Oh you may.

50:40.75
Hailey
No go ahead like.

50:48.52
Geoff
This is good cause I have no notes from that one. So I’m flat I’ve got his name right here and nothing so little and.

50:49.97
Hailey
Ah, yeah, Mark.

50:52.69
Devin
Yeah, and part of it I think part of the reason there’s no notes is that so little of what he said was new and but he remember he’s the one that talked about how you never go to a ah.

51:01.33
Geoff
Yeah, so.

51:09.67
Devin
Ah, sporting event where someone isn’t holding up a sign that says John 163 and of course that is the famous verse of scripture that says for god’s love the world that he gave his only begotten son that who should ever believe with the name should not perish but have everlasting life. Great great! Great scripture.

51:26.82
Geoff
I Hot take I’ll take from devin.

51:28.55
Hailey
1

51:28.86
Devin
So incredibly important and and it is sort of the I think it’s so sort of the evangelical christians that like to really ah drive that message home. But then ah. He he took went on and he said let’s read the next verse and this verse is so incredibly important and no one ever reads it I mean I say no one of course we all read it when we read it but but he called attention to the next verse and and and to me this just made. The whole gospel more meaningful to hear him talk about it in general conference. We said for god sent not his son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved and. There are so many conference talks where I think members of the church feel like they’ve been rebuked again. They feel like in a way they have been condemned yet again because they don’t measure up and I thought for the rest of my life I am going to filter. Every word I hear from any conference talk I’m going to say okay, first let’s look at it through John 3 17 and you know god sent his son into the world not to condemn the world but to save the world now if we look at it through that lens. What does it mean it just provided this super powerful new frame for seeing the whole gospel plan laid out I was so excited I loved that talk you can tell I get a little bit excited but it really was important to me.

53:11.54
Geoff
Yeah.

53:13.47
Hailey
Wow I Love that. That’s awesome. Thanks.

53:18.15
Geoff
I’m going to revisit it now I know I had kid distractions or something that one didn’t so thanks Devin. That’s great.

53:20.69
Devin
Well, you know I say it was incredibly important to me but you know the the rest of you know his talk was ordinary. It was typical but it was so incredibly profound. It was my favorite talk by far of the whole conference.

53:33.95
Geoff
Yeah, well and that’s the beauty of conference right? It’s like like all spiritual pursuits. It’s very easy to like take lots of notes about what they say which like I am absolutely guilty of doing especially for the sake of the podcast.

53:42.27
Devin
Moving.

53:48.60
Geoff
But it’s really about like what we take away that speaks to us that’s influential like I think Devin there’s probably plenty of people who heard that talk and they might not have thought much else about verse 17 and that’s and that’s fine. But and that’s fine. So.

53:53.68
Devin
Yeah I think yeah I and I’m not surprised in a way because you know it was it was Gospel went a one in a way but but it hit me like ph d level theology. So it was great.

53:53.96
Hailey
I cannot.

54:01.68
Geoff
Yeah, but but but for you yeah.

54:08.36
Hailey
Well yeah, and that’s that’s why I love doing this because now after hearing your thoughts I’m really excited to go back and read that and look at that because again I get so distracted when I’m listening I’m a visual learner and so I’m like in 1 ear out the other so that’s a great.

54:08.63
Geoff
Yeah, but that’s bis been.

54:24.65
Geoff
It is funny with something like conference too I mean like I take notes because we want to talk about the content of the talks and they’re not published yet right? but like especially for something like general conference I mean the talks are published in a matter of days like you don’t you don’t need the text as much as you need the impressions and what it means to you and what is what is potent and.

54:25.46
Hailey
Observation.

54:35.68
Devin
Um.

54:35.79
Hailey
Yes.

54:43.63
Geoff
Powerful I was in a meeting years and years ago. Al Bednar was in our steak or some neighboring stick or something like that. So I went to some kind of like a ysa this is a long time ago. So a ysa meeting with elder bednar and I remember 1 of the first things he said everyone’s sitting there with their notebooks ready to write down every utterance that comes from his lips. Whatever it might be but he said very clearly he’s like you’re gonna be tempted to try to like just write down everything I say because you want a record of this experience right? He’s like don’t do that write down what the spirit tells you and the impressions you get. Don’t worry about the content because that’s totally like immaterial when all is said and done here and.

55:12.32
Hailey
No, what new no one.

55:21.11
Geoff
I’ve still been guilty of doing that. But I’ve that’s always like sat with me and and struck me in something I’ve I’ve leaned on Also I didn’t worry about it as much of the time because my buddy was surreptitiously recording the audio which you’re not supposed to do but there we go. Um.

55:23.72
Hailey
Um, yeah, have.

55:29.81
Hailey
Ah, um, actually so every I’m serving as second counselor in the young woman’s presidency in my ward right now and for the past. However, many conferences I’ve been in there 6 or four six I don’t know um I have the younger. Class 12 to thirteen year olds and we do. We did this. The first time we did that like this conference recap where they were just supposed to come prepared to talk about their favorite talk from conference and we would you know talk about it around a fire one time it was.

56:01.10
Geoff
Yeah.

56:07.50
Hailey
I don’t know raining so we had like we made like a fake fire inside. It was cute but um, I’m always amazed. We we kept doing it because it’s just such a great activity and they love it and I’m always amazed at how at each one of them has a completely like different take on some aspect and they’re and they’re not just. Like these superficial observations that they have. They’re like oh I like this because it’s about families. No They have these real meaningful um takeaways that apply to their lives directly and it’s so cool to hear and they bring up things I. Never occurred to me when I was listening and so that’s why I like to keep doing it just to hear like what different people get out of different talks.

56:49.70
Devin
Yeah.

56:49.18
Geoff
I do love the youth of today I don’t know I look back on when I was a youth and I’m like I wasn’t thinking about stuff like this like what like.

56:58.31
Hailey
I Know they one of they’ll like put they’ll like type it out. They’ll have like O clo it stand up have it like typed out. Well I’m like my gosh I would have been like I like that we’re supposed to read our scriptures cool.

57:07.86
Geoff
yeah yeah I mean I was I’d be sitting there on the couch with my mom smacking me telling me not to keep stop falling. Keep you know don’t fall asleep. Get it together Jeff hanging there. Um, let’s see some other talks. What can I jump to here that was of interest.

57:17.97
Hailey
Yeah I know.

57:26.49
Geoff
Elder bednars was interesting. He talked about the power of music law the words for let us all press on I did note I know it’s like a let’s get up and go and be like the Lord’s army sort of kind of a song. So I did kind of laugh that when there was always references to like peace in Ukraine and violence and war and then like this verse is like bring your sword that du du no well yeah know yeah, okay, but might up but that’s okay, but so so this was for me 1 thing that jumped out of me.

57:44.69
Devin
Um, yeah.

57:53.58
Geoff
He talked about things that can help us deal with scorn and oppression. He talked about how we can weather the condemnation of the world and people not liking us or mocking us or any of these sorts of things and many people of faith have to deal with that. Obviously we are not that’s on a new area to us as latter-day saints. We are peculiar people after all. But the first 2 things he lists off he says scripture study fervent prayer and that’s what you could be like yeah yeah, okay, you know, expected answer but the third thing he said was proper preparation to participate in the sacrament like that was up there at that same level of things we do to deal with scorn and oppression and be able to weather the storms. Was just very interesting to me when I’m thinking about like because I know I do not do a good enough job preparing for the sacrament I try to be in a nice like calm place. But I think I can say along with many other fellow members of the church that a lot of the times I’m just kind of showing up at church and we do the sacrament. Maybe i’ll. Take some time and like say a little prayer afterwards or read some scriptures while I’m doing it but like am how rarely am I actually taking time to be in like a proper preparatory mode for the taking of the sacrament. Um, and I’m I’m hoping there’s some of you listening who are thinking like dude Jeff of course you do that? We all. All do this Jeff come on. Um, but that that really struck me as he was lifting that up to that level of importance in terms of things we can do to be strong against oppression. Um, and it made me want to think about what can I do to make the sacrament more meaningful to prepare for that in my life so that was the.

59:12.70
Devin
M.

59:25.74
Geoff
Main thing that jumped out of me that I wrote down really quickly I thought that was just just an interesting bit of insight there. The importance of the sacrament.

59:28.20
Hailey
Yeah, and that’s cool actually at one point someone had recommended just bringing like a little Notebook or something I mean I guess we all have our phones I like just like regular old fashioned favor just to like have during the sacrament and then for things. Pop like impressions like you’re talking about when was a bednar that told you to just write down your impressions just that come to you like during sacrament and I thought oh that is actually something that I can do that. It’s an actionable item that is not too hard to pull off to just bring a little thing.

01:00:04.40
Geoff
What do we think about El Anderson this time around I think he’s proved to be a little more controversial in some circles in recent years you know he talked about focused on the name of the church. He did that abortion talk I thought this one was a little bit more in the lane I guess we could say as in I don’t think it’s got people buzzing too much on Twitter. About anything he he my notes are interesting. He talked about the powerful impact of the internet as a blessing and a challenge. Um I did think this one insight was kind of interesting only because I’ve seen there’s been some chatter and in recent weeks online kind of resurrecting. There’s an old talk by then elder Nelson.

01:00:27.65
Hailey
Oh yeah.

01:00:41.74
Geoff
About god’s love not being unconditional. But I’ve read some good pieces explaining what that should actually mean when they’re saying it’s it’s about translations for the scriptures we talked about it on the show a couple weeks ago but the idea is not that god’s love is unconditional. It’s that god’s like approval and his blessings are are conditional on us keeping the commandments. That’s what the scriptures translate to. But I thought it was interesting because he said that like yes, we are all the offspring of god but it is through obedience through covenants that we become his children and I thought that was kind of in parallel to that idea of like god’s love in the actual way you define it in the scriptures that like if we have god’s approval. We have god’s blessings in that sense. We are more his children than his mere offspring. So I thought that was kind of an interesting interesting thing that I wrote down I don’t know anybody else. Yes.

01:01:34.81
Devin
Yeah I um I wouldn’t I you know I shouldn’t parse. Ah, an apostle’s comments. But I wouldn’t want to minimize in any way shape or form our native divinity right? As as.

01:01:34.88
Hailey
I just.

01:01:36.50
Geoff
No, you have It’s like now I’m good.

01:01:52.17
Geoff
Yeah.

01:01:54.16
Devin
Children of god ah we sing almost every week somewhere I am a child of god that is the true doctrine and it doesn’t and it’s not because we’ve been baptized and we become I think doctrinally the children of Christ. Through taking on covenants. We are the children of our heavenly father because we are the children of our heavenly father I think that’s the correct doctrine and that may be what he was trying to say but I would never want to minimize that um I was speaking this week with a preacher from another religion. He and I were chatting. He’s a member of the lgbt q community was talking about his outreach to members of the lgbtq community and one of the things that he says that is sort of profoundly important to him is that he recognizes. Spark of the divine in himself and that helps him to cope with the slings and arrows of of life and the the crap that he has to deal with and he encourages the the young people he ministers to to see in themselves that divine it and. Think that is a profound and important principle that I wouldn’t ever want to take away from anyone just because they hadn’t been baptized or made all the right covenants or even kept them. We don’t lose our our relationship to god ah by anything we do.

01:03:25.80
Hailey
Yeah, that’s so yeah, yeah, that’s the 1 thing that can never be taken away from us and and I feel like as a young women’s leader that is the only if they learn nothing else that is the only thing that I want them to leave knowing is that they are daughters of heavenly parents.

01:03:27.42
Devin
We are his children end of story. Yeah, yeah.

01:03:44.15
Hailey
And that they are loved and I think that is like that’s the foundation for everything to be able to have confidence to to do anything to believe to trust to love to hope it’s powerful. Okay, you work.

01:03:54.65
Devin
Um, yeah.

01:03:55.13
Geoff
Um, well Haley that’s a that’s a good segue heavenly parents. Um, so no, no well we might as well I thought so in recent weeks you might have seen so there’s been a lot of chatter on social media about listen to our previous podcast in recent weeks we talked about it. But first.

01:04:02.43
Hailey
Doing it. Ah.

01:04:14.89
Geoff
There’s been some chatter that there was allegedly a training in Utah where they’ve spoken at length about like not like things about related to heavenly mother, not speculating too much about her not praying to her a number of different items so there are many who have feared like that there some kind of a boom was going to be lowered during general conference about this issue. Ah. And so during the women’s meeting which had some out I thought every talk was solid across the board. We can get into some of thats we were talking before we started recording like what was up with president Oakes’s remarks getting into it but at the very end of it. Elder rendland came up. He was the sort of the final speaker the capstone if you will just elder rendland. And he spoke about just the divine nature of women but he did wade into this a little bit about about heavenly mother I’ve been very curious about people’s thoughts on this. We even put it on our Twitter just simply saying okay elder elder runendland got into this so whatever 1 thing like and comments kind of ran the gamut some who were disappointed some who. Indifferent but the main thing is he said because he said he said okay look let’s talk about mother in heaven. He’s like it’s summarizing the Gospel Topics essay he’s like once you’ve read that you’ll know everything that I also know about the subject he said quote I wish I knew more knew more you too may still have questions and want to find answers seeking greater understanding is an important part of our spiritual development. But. Please be cautious. Reason cannot replace revelation and then he went on to explain like we both taught by Christ we pray to the father in his name. Not heavenly mother. He touched on some of these things that people have mentioned um I was surprised that he was actually that direct I thought if anything would be more oblique references if this came up as it often is in conference just kind of.

01:05:43.98
Devin
Man.

01:05:50.37
Geoff
Hinting at the thing that we all know they’re talking about So so this was interesting to me. Um, obviously I’ve like I’m sympathetic absolutely to the women who yearn for a greater.

01:05:55.43
Devin
Um, yeah.

01:06:04.70
Geoff
Relationship with heavenly mother and a greater understanding of her I think that’s really important I don’t like experience that at that same level personally but I’m by no means discounting the feelings people have about that so I am curious from you know you 2 if you saw watch this if you read it? Whatever what what? you thought about this did delta runndland kind of. Did he balance it out pretty well and he was straightforward and caring was it something else. All right? Would you guys think that.

01:06:27.54
Devin
I Thought it was ah a bummer to have that in in women’s conference in a way and because it it felt like it was pointed directly at the sisters when the of course the principle applies equally to men. Ah. And it was the last talk of the conference and because that was the memorable point he made I think it it felt like there was this kind of negative end to that session of conference for me and I think for for sisters for whom. This has never been a question right? that that they’re thrilled to know they’ve got a mother in heaven. They pray happily to their father in heaven and never Second -guess that protocol. Um that that that would not be viewed as a negative thing but to those sisters who are struggling to find. A place in the church with with its priesthood structure that is gendered and and all and all these issues I think to them this it was probably kind of a negative feeling I can’t argue with the doctrine I would I would only suggest that. You know in the book of Mormon when the savior is teaching the principle of prayer. The folks with him as he’s teaching some of these principles begin to pray to him and the savior explains to his father. You know I’m here and so they’re praying to me. You know, cut him some slack. And that experience suggests to me that that yes that the protocol is to pray to the father. But maybe it’s not the end of the world ah to violate that protocol either and so I don’t know.

01:08:18.92
Geoff
But but like you’re saying even the savior kind of saw that as a corrective opportunity though right? He’s saying like cut him some slack but this is not the standard. So so now that we’ve both now that we’ve mansplained it Haley won’t you actually.

01:08:20.89
Devin
Anyway, that’s that’s kind of a. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:26.68
Hailey
Well and I Oh no, it’s Fine. No I’m not I can’t speak for everyone I Just for me I feel like like the idea the idea of praying to heavenly mother is isn’t necessarily like the issue I feel like the greater issue is well especially when we’re told. Many many times over and over again that gender is such a divine eternal characteristic. Well how are we supposed to know more about our divine you know characteristics of womanhood if we don’t have the chance to learn as much as we can about like the most. Divine Feminine influence or you know presence. Um, our heavenly mother and so I think that’s a real you know, yearning understandably for a lot of women if you’ve grown up just always been told like oh you have very specific um things that are unique to you because you’re a woman. So. That are eternal and so that’s that’s really the only idea of a person that we have to seek those you know what does that mean to be that.

01:09:29.60
Devin
App.

01:09:36.50
Geoff
Up. Yeah, and that’s hard thing do look. Yeah.

01:09:38.31
Devin
Yeah, and and I have to you know it would seem to me that the men in the church who who do all this including myself. We don’t feel in general the same compelling desire. For that understanding because we have role models that we relate to in the savior and in our heavenly father and apostles and prophets and the scripture and it just we’re just loaded with all these examples and so we probably aren’t feeling in the same way that desire and so.

01:10:01.80
Hailey
In the scriptures. Yeah.

01:10:16.13
Devin
It’s important I think for for everyone to be a little more patient and kind and to employ a little more empathy to try and understand how sisters in the church may be feeling so I appreciate you sharing.

01:10:26.99
Geoff
And that’s the um and and that’s the most important thing I do think it’s interesting when he he’ll say something like you know I wish I knew more too. You may still have your questions. It’s interesting to me when an apostle is saying and you know I wish I knew more too I Think the easy even flippant response is well. You’re in ah you a profit. Can you.

01:10:35.53
Devin
And.

01:10:45.62
Geoff
You know and he he said later in his remarks. He’s like you know it is not about us to try to put words in God’s mouth or tell him what revelation we want and I absolutely trust this I Do think there’s there’s so much nuance when you’re talking about revelation because of course there’s asking you shall receive I do not believe the brother in all just sitting around just saying okay tell us what to do.

01:11:02.57
Hailey
Is it.

01:11:05.40
Geoff
Ah, think they have a lot of their ideas and they take it to the lord but we also don’t know like what they get into like like a good example in our history is president Mckay wrestled with overturning the priesthood ban twenty years before it happened but this wrestle was not a public thing for the church.

01:11:20.21
Devin
Um, yeah.

01:11:21.70
Geoff
This was not he went to conference and said like look we know you’re concerned about the priesthood ban I have looked into this and said no he had talked with his associates within the within the 12 within the first presidency and praying about it and seeking it out and never felt that it was appropriate at that time to go further with the issue. But this wasn’t ever brought to the knowledge of the church overall so I’m only saying that because elder rendland might be saying he wishes he knew more too. We don’t know what kind of discussions they’ve had as apostles. We don’t know what they’ve prayed about. We don’t know if they’ve looked into these issues more and been told line upon line and but now is not the time to give you that line. Ah, for whatever reason and we don’t always understand the reasoning to it I always say that because I think it’s because we because we don’t we don’t know what discussions are having behind the scenes and what things they might have had revealed to them or have been revealed to them and said but it is not time to even engage the church at this level about these issues either. We don’t know so.

01:11:58.96
Hailey
Yeah, well.

01:12:12.10
Hailey
Well and ah and it is a positive that he didn’t come out and say like it I think in the past they said we don’t talk about her because she’s too special. She’s so sacred he didn’t say that he said he said okay here’s ah, here’s a resource here’s what we know, but he at least he didn’t say you know like well don’t.

01:12:20.99
Geoff
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:22.20
Devin
If it.

01:12:31.32
Geoff
Yeah, which.

01:12:31.71
Hailey
Even bring it up. You know says step in the right direction.

01:12:31.98
Devin
Yeah, yeah, and and he he did. You’re you’re very right that it’s a very important point He didn’t use any of those pat your head kinds of phrases to make you feel like yeah.

01:12:44.80
Hailey
Yeah, yeah, we don’t talk. She’s too special. You know that there wasn’t that it wasn’t that that patronizing you know.

01:12:52.76
Devin
Yeah, exactly.

01:12:53.59
Geoff
I know that I don’t know where that talk came from and overall the women’s session had some terrific talks. My notes weren’t great I was putting kids to bed. So I listened a lot I just going to write anything down. But so if you want to talk impressions then. I hadver. Very good impressions from the women’s session and oh my goodness Ritchie Steman is on with us now.

01:13:09.52
Devin
Um, oh look at that.

01:13:11.52
Hailey
Wait who let who let him in here.

00:00.00
Richie T
What the hey excuse me Ski Excuse me Ski Sorry my seats in the middle. Can you guys? would you mind moving your legs excuse Sorry excuse me what I miss. Yeah.

01:13:18.76
Devin
I.

01:13:23.74
Geoff
Yeah Ritchie you you.

01:13:24.90
Devin
Right? So Jeff so Jeff we’re going to go back and start over right.

01:13:24.90
Hailey
Ah, did you did you at least bring treats.

00:18.70
Richie T
Yep, they’re in mail. Yeah well this is the thing Jeff Jeff forgot to hit record. So this was a fun way his words.

01:13:34.46
Geoff
Yep yep, Ritchie’s like I want to show up from the last ten minutes of a show. This is the dream writerer. Sure sure.

01:13:42.43
Devin
It.

01:13:46.75
Hailey
Ah, a he’s the one who’s it’s pushing ten thirty now so good ah

00:32.77
Richie T
That we could start again from the beginning because he forgot to record.

01:13:51.54
Geoff
Oh I’m live I’m living the dream when you tell I will say this since I telework full time now it makes things like this a little bit easier than they used to be I’d normally be like yeah I got to up at 6 I don’t get up at 6 so that’s good Richie. It’s nice to see you man how you doing.

00:54.13
Richie T
Yeah, good to see you guys too. What did I miss for real. What did I Miss catch me up. Oh.

01:14:09.35
Geoff
Well, we just we just finished talking about Elder Rendland and heavenly mother. So which you probably did on the cultural hall already just a little while ago, you’re probably, you’re probably good on that front.

01:06.53
Richie T
Well well I mean so I didn’t want to come in and tell people about the cold hall I just wanted to join the conversation but I can okay well.

01:14:24.88
Geoff
No, you don’t have to I was just just no one wants to hear it. No I’m kidding Do whatever you want? Um, yeah.

01:14:28.24
Devin
Um, a.

01:20.64
Richie T
So so the only time that you can do a conference recap is on the Sunday after general conference at seven p M so if you’re in the if you’re in the podcast making business around mormon things you have to do it at seven p M so that you can’t possibly have you know.

01:14:39.11
Geoff
That’s that’s like the rule. Yeah.

01:14:49.88
Geoff
So there we go.

01:39.12
Richie T
Synergy between the podcast. No we we we schedule a thing the thing that was interesting. The 1 takeaway for me is so we had Malley Bonner on if you guys know who that is he directed green flake um, he’s working to help get a monument up at this is a place heritage park for the church for the black pioneers.

01:14:59.38
Geoff
The.

01:59.30
Richie T
He was in there and also at Al Caraway and also Rachel Hunt steamblack who one of the most prolific I would suppose writing about heavenly mother her and a couple other people. Um, but she she talked a great deal about heavenly mother right? That’s why we had her there and then we asked Mallie what do you think about it and he’s like. Haven’t really thought much about a heavenly mother and so it was a really great conversation about how we can have conversations within the church and not be like I can’t believe you wouldn’t know about that. You idiot you’re so stupid. You know all those kind of things that occur online that was.

01:15:40.40
Devin
Um, yeah.

01:15:49.80
Devin
Excellent.

02:36.45
Richie T
Was a big takeaway from what we did tonight. Yeah, did you guys Cry did you cry during conference.

01:15:52.47
Geoff
No, no, no no.

01:15:53.23
Hailey
No I’m a robot. Ah.

01:15:54.30
Devin
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I’m dead. Ah I’m trying to remember if it was during my favorite talk and I think it was during my favorite talk I was telling the guys about Michael Ringwood’s talk which was I think for a lot of folks rather forgettable.

02:46.63
Richie T
What did you cry about Devin.

01:16:13.83
Devin
Ah, but but he was talking about John 3 16 and 17 and and ah John 3 16 we’ve heard a million times and 17 I just had never focused on and he’s talked about the importance of 17 which is Christ came not to condemn but to save the world. And I just it occurred to me that if you filtered everything the brother and say with that lens just put that lens over what they say you say oh I see this is this is they’re trying to do this mission right? trying to save us not condemn us.

03:34.42
Richie T
Credit.

01:16:50.44
Devin
Oh I’ll hear it in that context it just changes everything it changes. Yeah, it just for me. It was really a profound moment to to think about? oh they’re trying to save me not condemn me because sometimes right and you probably never felt this way Ritchie but but sometimes I feel. Like I listen to conference and I feel like oh man I just suck I’m doing everything wrong I’m not nearly good enough. Ah, and so this just gave me a fresh new way to look at myself and the gospel and everything I just came away. Ah. Jazzed by that talk. So anyway, sorry yeah I I remember I teared up kind of on that 1 or 1 of them around that. But I think it was that one.

04:20.91
Richie T
I sobbed I have never cried during general conference ever in all my years of general conferencing I’ve never been emotional ever like a robot like Haley said they announced the temple in Cleveland which is where I served my mission and I lost it.

01:17:47.89
Devin
Um, oh how sweet.

04:40.40
Richie T
I I lost it like heaving sobs for for like 15 minutes and and my wife who wasn’t watching conference was like who died like it was it. It was that intense of like ah of tears and a sob and.

01:17:57.16
Geoff
So that’s awesome. Thanks.

01:17:57.18
Devin
Yeah, oh that’s great.

01:17:58.00
Hailey
Wow. Oh enough.

01:18:03.51
Devin
Ah, yeah, yeah.

04:59.60
Richie T
And it it was crazy because for 15 minutes like the different people that that I taught the different like places in Cleveland the different wardhouses and the church isn’t very big even though Kurtland is you know just to the east but just sopped uncontrollably for 15 minutes

01:18:30.76
Devin
Oh that’s great. That’s that is great that is benton.

05:17.60
Richie T
And then was like okay, pick yourself back up, put yourself together and a great conference I’m not dead inside. Hey.

01:18:32.32
Geoff
I that’s good man. No, you’re not I I did not I did not cry about Barcelona I’m sorry I feel it that was my mission. Yeah barcelono. So I don’t know.

01:18:43.41
Devin
Um, yeah.

05:30.19
Richie T
Wait now was that in your mission because I know you’re a and why? why are you dead inside. What what happened to you.

01:18:48.39
Devin
Um, but.

01:18:50.78
Hailey
Ah, you was wrestling kids.

01:18:51.60
Geoff
It was more exciting. It was look I have been I’ve been I’ve been very blessed like we got I got the but yeah, literally it was probably because I was trying to make dinner and wrestlell kids East East Coast East Coast timing is really hard for the last session. So I know they’re going to bring up temples but it’s like nipping up on six o’clock on a Sunday for us. So.

01:19:00.30
Hailey
You’re like did they say Barcelo what? what’s happening quiet.

05:49.69
Richie T
Yeah.

01:19:08.93
Hailey
We’re starving.

01:19:10.97
Geoff
I’m wearing my bluetooth headphones running around the kitchen just trying to listen to conference and get stuff done and all that stuff but I was like wo woo woo. So I got pumped but I’ve been very blessed Barcelona a year ago. They asked a temple in your bolindo where I grew up so I’ve you know I got I got nothing to complain about um, another talk in our waning moments I guess.

01:19:26.23
Hailey
Yeah.

01:19:29.42
Geoff
I did say on this podcast I don’t remember exactly when but less than a month ago my exact words were Mark my words elder rasband will speak about religious freedom in general conference because that is all he talks about and sure enough the band delivered he spoke about religious freedom I don’t know if he’s on.

01:19:41.15
Devin
He did.

01:19:46.97
Geoff
Like if his committee assignment is like the religious freedom committee because you know you know like when they run the missionary department. They always give missionary talks I don’t know what internal structure there is in place there and if that’s why but that has been his thing for quite a while and he just but I don’t always love the religious freedom.

01:19:49.65
Hailey
Yeah.

06:40.56
Richie T
Are.

01:20:04.53
Geoff
Drumbeat because sometimes I feel like it misses a few of the areas that I’m more concerned about like global always seems like it has this very North American Very American Centric lens for what religious freedom should be but I like that he spoke a lot about other faiths and how we need to like. Work together and get along with them and respect one another and provide room for each other to worship and that was good I feel like some of his remarks seemed I might have misunderstood it but it seemed like he was kind of saying everything he was saying like the positive ecumenism between us.

01:20:23.24
Devin
Um, yeah.

01:20:36.73
Geoff
Was only about like the ones who also happen to respect us and we respect each other and I was kind of like all right? What if you’re like up against Militant atheists like are you still like do they still have religious freedom are they also part of this discussion I don’t know. But yeah.

01:20:46.94
Hailey
You.

01:20:47.23
Devin
Yeah, yeah, it’s an interest.

07:37.41
Richie T
Religious freedom to appoint Jeff religious freedom to I mean that not freedom person. No I don’t know.

01:20:57.42
Geoff
I Don’t know.

01:20:57.72
Devin
Yeah I think I thought his talk was really quite good and you know his selling points for why we should protect religious freedom I thought were really solid. Um. Choosing to talk about it I think elevates a concern and that really isn’t a big concern in the united states there is no one seriously talking about telling latter-day saints that they can’t believe what they believe can’t worship the way they choose. There is really no threat to the fundamental things he was talking about today in the United States globally there are places where there are threats and Russia to name ah a name is ah is a great example. China is another great example, you know the right to assemble. The right to me the right to proselyte all of those things are are limited the right to speak religiously in China and Russia just as 2 examples of countries I’ve visited where there are strict limits. Yeah that’s’s and it’s a big deal. Those rights aren’t threatened in the United States so I always worry that when there’s a talk like this in general conference that the north americans view this as an imminent threat here and a reason that they should be politically active in a direction that I don’t follow. So it. It has a political feeling to me that seems a little bit misdirected and I and I’m not sure that elder Rasman meant that ah because he is talking about a ah ah you know a global church and and all these global issues and.

09:17.41
Richie T
No.

01:22:47.45
Devin
Going to global conferences and so I think he is thinking more about the fact that the church is not allowed to do some things in some countries and should be allowed to do those things we should be around to worship and preach and Proselyte etc E Cetera So anyway.

01:23:01.31
Hailey
Well, that’s one of the reasons I somebody posted this on or this on Instagram and I repost it I loved it. But they said what defending freedom of religion should look like and it should look like defending minority religions fighting for religious refugees. And creating space for those who are different from you. Um I think those are all great ways to defend religious freedom and maybe not the way that some people were thinking. Ah he was talking about. So that’s how I choose to take it.

01:23:27.27
Devin
Interesting. Yeah yeah. Yeah, yeah I you know.

01:23:36.60
Geoff
I I do agree with Devin I feel like I’ve gotten burned out on like the religious freedom of talk because it’s usually through a north american lens I liked that over rasband I I think his his parameters and explanations were a little bit more globalist I guess for lack of a better expression. But that resonated with me more I thought it I think overall it was good and I was I wrote that he wrote fourway societies benefit from religious freedom. My notes say it honors the great commandment to love the Lord Thy god and thy neighbor and then religious freedom fosters expressions of relief hope and peace and then for 3 and 4 I just wrote. Ah.

01:24:11.50
Hailey
Yeah I have no 3 or 4 either I just have 1 and 2

01:24:11.83
Geoff
Ah.

10:59.53
Richie T
Um.

01:24:17.37
Geoff
I’ve got so I don’t know what it was if anybody finds out. Please please let us know we only have half the half of the codes so far. So.

01:24:19.95
Hailey
But well we’re only going to be nothing. Um I I don’t know about you guys. But I love when when talks have bullet points because I love like making with some like number one I love it because then it makes me listen more because I’m like a wait What number are we on.

01:24:22.33
Devin
Ah.

01:24:36.30
Devin
Yeah.

01:24:37.97
Hailey
But that was one of the reasons I I loved the prophets talk because he had like his list of 5 things and but just but I loved that his number 5 was end to end conflict in our personal life and I’m ah has someone who avoids.

01:24:51.16
Geoff
The.

01:24:55.30
Hailey
Confrontation and contention all costs. Um I’m always you know, looking to make sure that I’m like okay how I’m how am I doing and with my relationships with everyone but I think it’s It’s great as a reminder to just kind of check in and I don’t know we want to live in a loving. World where we’re trying to give people the benefit of the doubt and so I like a reminder to check in with myself and see how I’m doing there.

01:25:20.43
Devin
Yeah.

01:25:22.41
Geoff
That’s how ah Haley always winds up doing the shows by the way she she avoids confront conversation so much she just says yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, good. Okay, okay.

12:15.40
Richie T
She just acquiesces so she doesn’t have to tell you no all right? perfect.

01:25:34.80
Hailey
Consummate people pleaser here.

01:25:38.81
Devin
Um, yeah.

12:25.26
Richie T
Um, I’ve heard that’s really healthy good for you Good for you.

01:25:40.87
Geoff
Ah, um, president Allison’s talk was great. Ah, one thing I was in like a perverse way I was really happy. He actually said the words Ukraine and Russia as someone who’s been tracking the situation though and the church because they’d referenced it many times.

01:25:41.70
Hailey
Yeah, thanks.

01:25:50.80
Hailey
Now.

12:38.79
Richie T
Yes, I noticed that.

01:25:54.74
Devin
He’s very cautious about it but he did.

01:25:56.38
Geoff
They’ve referenced at maytime their conference there was elders ah, who was it was it Alber Stevenson someone spoke about the people in Poland you know the the who left the strollers on the on the platform on the platform we’ve seen that one of the news and he said like this the people in Poland left this for the incoming refugees without saying like.

01:26:02.92
Devin
Yeah.

01:26:03.31
Hailey
Oh yeah, elder stevenson kind.

01:26:13.93
Devin
Right.

01:26:14.33
Geoff
Anything else about like who they were and I know this is because the church is just threading a really hard needle here because think about it I’m assuming they’re broadcasting and general conference in Russia and that’s what they want to do and obviously Russia’s censors are there and if the second they would say like you know as we aid ukrainian refugees during the war with Russia boom the feed gets cut.

13:10.15
Richie T
Sure.

01:26:29.57
Hailey
Oh yeah, yeah.

01:26:32.85
Geoff
Feet. Don’t get cut I get it. It’s hard. so um so I was amazed I mean he didn’t say much other than saying I’ve been to Ukraine and Russia many times he didn’t play sides but I did love this quote. His quote was any war is a horrifying violation of everything the lord Jesus Christ stands for and teaches those are strong words I mean that is like.

01:26:37.75
Devin
Yeah, yes, he was careful.

01:26:52.71
Geoff
That’s that’s that’s borderline like Gospel of pacifism right? there that is ah that is pretty intense any any war any war. But now we’re gonna go sing that song under bedar like so much but any war.

01:26:54.95
Devin
Yeah, and it’s. We should tattoo that we should all get it should be required after baptism that we have that tattooed on our arms I think.

01:27:10.68
Geoff
That’s what it should be and we should do a make a there should be a recitation after every baptism when everyone stands up and says and now we’re going to repeat words from president Nelson from April Twenty Twenty two and everyone.

01:27:14.71
Devin
Yes, that’s a great quote.

14:09.39
Richie T
But did you notice Jeff the tie I’m sure you did you guys do that tie tracker thing the tie of president Nelson a very obvious blue and yellow. Ah, very ah ah yeah, yes.

01:27:26.10
Geoff
Oh yeah, which one always we think that’s what elder redland also were a blue and yellow thighs. You think.

01:27:32.51
Devin
Um, phone away.

01:27:37.14
Hailey
I Never noticed ties.

14:28.34
Richie T
Yes, a thousand percent a thousand percent intentional

01:27:43.50
Geoff
First Heyley you have to follow the tie tracker where for the past ten years we we we catalog we catalog all of the neckwaar trends during conference. It was a lot more fun when president Ukdorff was in the first presidency because he changes his tie of recession. So you’d always get some.

01:27:45.48
Hailey
I But I’ve been missing out I Just a wow. Okay.

01:27:53.36
Devin
Um, yeah.

01:27:59.65
Hailey
If there was a rainbow tie I’d probably notice that but I haven’t notice. Okay, that’s interesting blue and yellow.

01:28:01.71
Geoff
Like new to.

01:28:05.60
Devin
The the.

01:28:05.96
Geoff
It It doesn’t usually tell you anything wild. Only thing folks for the tie Tracker actually got exciting this time red ties were like way. It was just a very red tie conference. Overall all of a sudden the blue blue ties just started.

15:05.47
Richie T
I.

01:28:22.18
Geoff
Percolating up on the back end there and blue managed to overtake red on the very last talk by president Dukdorff it was wild wild time folks just like american politics I’m just gonna.

01:28:26.75
Devin
There we go.

01:28:28.85
Hailey
Love to see it.

15:20.46
Richie T
I want to bring it up again. Jeff because there’s more to it than that it is intentional if you don’t think that whomever costumes air quotes the prophet of the church for his last talk if you do not think that that tie was intentional and a statement.

01:28:48.72
Geoff
Yeah, was was this yellow. Okay I think I’m seeing the one though it’s more of a it’s like it’s it’s a shimmery sky but it looks like it’s like got small white stripes on her are they yellow stripes all right? Well then what’s with everyone else wearing red who’s apparently backing Russia is this are we saying president Trump.

15:39.18
Richie T
And think you’re foolish. It’s blue and yellow. No it is blue and yellow. It is a very obvious blue and Yellow tie.

01:28:54.10
Devin
Um, yeah.

01:29:06.68
Devin
Know Yeah, it’s right.

01:29:08.60
Geoff
President Nelson’s president Nelson stands alone just he and o rendland are like you guys got this and other stevenson’s like come on.

15:55.12
Richie T
Well, they’re communists Jeff that’s what that is yeah. I I just I just have to think I just have to think it’s a consideration that they that they that they intentionally did whatever it means I’m not sure but that they absolutely did it on purpose. It wasn’t just well here’s the cleanest one? Well this is something he got over to the zcmi.

01:29:18.35
Devin
Yes.

01:29:31.44
Hailey
Oh oh yeah, clothing always sends a message please I wasn’t I wasn’t paying attention. But yeah I agree with that.

01:29:31.60
Geoff
Okay, well, especially in it.

01:29:31.70
Devin
Hey.

01:29:42.84
Geoff
All right? We are running very long any other talks. Anybody wants to hit upon that we haven’t discussed yet like we haven’t talked about alder oaks on Sunday alder okor for example I don’t anybody or anybody else who jumped out.

01:29:43.52
Devin
Yeah.

01:29:50.76
Devin
I loved Elder Rukdorf stock it was great.

01:29:53.10
Hailey
Oh I loved his joke even though I saw it coming a mile away I loved it. Well the joke was first. He talked about bicycling with his wife and just you know he made the analogy um of you know, bicycling and.

01:29:58.21
Geoff
Tell it tell tell our listeners. What the joke was.

01:30:12.65
Hailey
How that or relates to looking forward and say or heading toward Christ and then he said for those of you who are not you know to not do not enjoy I think he did say bicycling 1 point it was very cute. Um then perhaps I have another analogy for you that you’ll.

01:30:16.15
Geoff
It forward momentum right? yeah.

01:30:31.21
Hailey
Definitely be able to relate to more and I said a few other things and he’s like it’s flying a plane which we all knew and it was just so delightful I Loved it.

01:30:39.56
Geoff
We love him and bless his heart doing good things. Elder oaks kind of drew a line in the sand right? He’s like you know he did that did this thing.

17:34.33
Richie T
Ah up.

17:39.83
Richie T
That will be the that and elder Rendland from women session will be the most talked about talks from general conference for sure and did you guys already talk about the plants.

01:31:01.25
Geoff
So the mills will look like they were from pandora from avatar like those were pretty good because I saw the once I was like I’ll give them a pass because I still remember a conference two years ago when covid started and it looked like they got the elders corps to decorate that little theater.

01:31:01.67
Devin
Um, no.

17:53.26
Richie T
Yeah, that looked like they were a friend pandora or a Jurassic park behind the speakers.

18:05.80
Richie T
Yes, yes.

01:31:20.25
Geoff
And it was like the worst decorations ever so that I could do it.

01:31:21.82
Hailey
Or was that the one when everyone was really shiny like the the makeup I remember that.

01:31:27.32
Geoff
So yeah, makeup was shiny I mean in their defense we shut down the church in the middle of March and they had two weeks to try to figure out how to do redo conference under that setting. So what we’ll give them a pass a part of me.

18:15.18
Richie T
Yes, yes.

01:31:35.58
Devin
Yeah.

01:31:41.39
Geoff
Ah, little bit like I got so used to like the intimacy of Covid conference I already kind of miss it I don’t mind all the conference center stuff. But I kind of love this like little theater which is a couple people there and yeah, it’s so.

01:31:48.94
Hailey
Have.

18:35.47
Richie T
Damned. I thought it was interesting because when they said it was going to be half attendance for general conference I sort of thought they’d do every other row and I think what they did and I don’t know maybe someone can email you contact this week at http://mormons.com they just said sit wherever you’d like and everyone sat down low.

01:32:00.11
Geoff
They let them Govern themselves. Yeah.

01:32:11.29
Geoff
I So I saw some some people out in like the boonies who are like du I can sit up here on the far left. No one’s gonna be around me. It’ll be great I can do what I want No one’s gonna bother me. Um I had a funny experience with that the other so we’ve still been done like staggered seating at church. We’re not wearing masks anymore. But it’s still every other pew.

18:57.97
Richie T
And then no one was up in the rafters. But I thought that they would every other row folks or something like that.

19:07.96
Richie T
A.

01:32:31.15
Geoff
Is open and they’ve primarily kept it open so that it’s easier. They don’t our bishop doesn’t want deacons. He wants deacons passing the sacrament holding the tray and not passing the tray around hand to hand. Okay, that’s the main reason why that’s really all it is which meant and it’s actually a lot easier.

01:32:37.21
Hailey
Um, okay yeah.

19:25.28
Richie T
Is it.

01:32:44.98
Geoff
So then there was like ah there was an event or something in the church and we got was there early for bishop brick meeting and everything and when we came in the chapel all the signs that say please don’t sit on this row were gone because they took them out for this event and nobody put him back and so we’re like okay and so we discussed it really quick and they’re just like we’re not going to say it from the pulpit. You know we’ve been doing this for a while. We’ll just let the members just figure it out. They’re gonna be fine, but this is like a case where the second you take away the written regulation that sacrament meeting everyone just filled in just just just boom just person to person everywhere. It felt so weird to have people right in front of me and behind me. Um, like looking around like for snotty kids I’m like get ah, get away from me people. Um, and then the next week we printed signs again and put him back and you could see a lot of people were like what and we never announced anything. We’re just like quiet. It’s like the most passive aggressive approach to governing the word ever. So.

01:33:30.71
Devin
If.

01:33:38.81
Hailey
We had a family of 12 like they had 10 kids move away during the pandemic um from our ward and they sat on the second row and no one to this day has said that.

01:33:38.89
Devin
Um, yeah.

01:33:51.46
Geoff
Like honoring their memory. So.

01:33:55.25
Hailey
Weird I Just keep waiting and I’m like should we go sort of I don’t know it’s weird. It’s like but it’s like in memorium.

20:41.30
Richie T
Yeah, the men.

01:33:59.50
Geoff
I love that. Ah there there was some tweet a couple weeks ago that it turns out was from a denett account but it was okay, it was still pretty funny where it just said like if you really want to troll somebody if there’s somebody like that defends you and your warrior you don’t like them like deliberately get there early and take the spot. They usually sit in and just just.

01:34:16.23
Hailey
Ah, who that is way too much content con contention for me that’s too much confrontation.

21:02.64
Richie T
Yes.

01:34:17.18
Geoff
Passive Aggressively just just take their step.

01:34:19.10
Devin
Yeah I didn’t hear I did hear today in one one a couple of times I thought I heard a couple of rebukes for desnet I doubt they heard them that there are a couple of.

01:34:20.50
Geoff
That because what we need is we need contention at church. That’s what we need to begin. That’s the point right.

01:34:36.19
Devin
Things about and like the Lord doesn’t need ah ah doesn’t need you to defend him. He needs you to share. Yeah, it doesn’t need a sheriff or something. Yeah, yeah.

01:34:37.49
Hailey
Oh yeah, sheriff ah elder Stevenson I think wasn’t it when he was talking about how we like share.

01:34:44.73
Geoff
I Who said that I don’t remember that line. Oh that’s why.

01:34:54.49
Devin
Yeah, it was this sharing time was that older Stevenson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was the one and but it it came up in the conflict quotes too.

01:34:54.57
Geoff
Okay, yeah, it was love. Yeah, love he did love share and invite stuff.

01:34:55.41
Hailey
What we love about the gospel. Yeah huh he said love our neighbors share and invite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then somebody applied that quote to someone else’s talk. Yeah.

01:35:03.34
Geoff
Okay.

01:35:12.20
Devin
Yeah.

21:59.84
Richie T
So I have 2 questions before I’m going to bounce out because I’m tired ah, the first question is ah Devon how did you get that fantastic bookstore into your trailer as you travel around the country aren’t you in a trailer traveling around and yet you have the typical.

01:35:14.53
Geoff
Yeah, we got to.

01:35:23.18
Devin
Um. Yeah, no, it’s it So You know it’s funny and I’m so glad that people have paid a little bit of attention. Ah, but yeah, we we are in the process of buying an electric.

22:19.60
Richie T
Backdrop for anything that is done on Zoom how did we do that is it a fake or are you did you bring that bookshelf with you.

01:35:49.62
Devin
Pickup truck and and putting solar panels on a trailer and but the first thing we did was to buy a little condo here in Jacksonville where we can live while we do all of this so I am in my condo in Jacksonville and yeah, so.

22:48.62
Richie T
Um, okay.

01:36:08.58
Devin
A.

22:55.44
Richie T
So if you’re ever in a place ever in need of a place in Jacksonville likely Devin won’t be there and you can break in and steal his books perfect. Ah the the other thing I wanted to ask is did you guys talk about how president Bingham presided.

01:36:16.50
Devin
Ah, something like that something like that.

01:36:16.89
Geoff
And on that note.

01:36:25.85
Geoff
Did they actually use the word presiding over this afternoon because I missed the very beginning of the women’s session when they started it.

23:14.19
Richie T
Over the women’s session I Thought that was significant and worth noting. Yes, yep that she was presiding and that everyone else would be speaking within it and they called it. Um, they made they made great pains to call it a session of general conference.

01:36:30.16
Hailey
Yeah, remember like.

23:31.92
Richie T
As opposed to the women’s session or an you know an additional session of general conference that they just.

01:36:46.13
Geoff
Yeah, but that that part was interesting. So first one president oakes gave his little remarks and and introduced stuff at first I was like what are you like this is what we’ve been doing president oakes like what’s the big. What’s the big deal like what.

01:36:47.53
Hailey
Oh no.

01:37:00.55
Geoff
But as we’ve looked at it. We realized no because like the last time they did a women’s session was october of 2020 and then it was this typical structure where you had a handful of the female leaders spoke but then the entire first presidency would give talks afterwards. That’s what they’ve been doing so this was different in that sense. Ah elder oaks kind of laid it out. Here are the crown rules I guess I did not know that Sister Bingham was presiding I totally missed that part which is which that is I saw Matilda in New York I wasn’t impressed. Not gonna lie I’m sure your your progenated wonderfully. But for me and that’s not.

01:37:19.60
Hailey
Yeah I didn’t know that either I was at a high school production of Matilda so I missed it. Oh well I of course. Ah.

01:37:21.85
Devin
Yeah.

01:37:37.19
Geoff
Right? That’s so that’s just stuck in my head forever. Um I didn’t really see preside it though. That’s actually very interesting burbage. Yeah, and so what I’m curious about is.

01:37:40.78
Hailey
Yeah, that is. That’s what.

01:37:41.92
Devin
Yeah, that explains why you know I missed it in President Oak’s talk but he he had this weird introductory session that was all about kind of the rules of the game and I guess the whole point of that was to explain the rules of the game in which she was presiding.

24:28.89
Richie T
Boo. Yeah.

01:38:01.60
Devin
Which I think is great. Ah, but yeah I had missed too and I didn’t understand why he was explaining the rules of the game for something that seemed routine. But yes that was not routine to have a sister preside over a session of general conference.

01:38:05.86
Geoff
I’m curious. Sorry.

01:38:13.66
Hailey
Love.

01:38:17.71
Geoff
I’m also curious how technical technically speaking and I’m not complaining about it. But how she can preside if an apostle is present just with the way we do things you know how it is like if your state president shows up in saccra meeting. He immediately presides over the meeting because that’s how it is so I am just.

01:38:28.34
Devin
Move.

01:38:32.89
Geoff
Just just structurally how that where like therere other able to just like willingly C Seee presiding authority and when they want when that does right? That’s it.

01:38:36.57
Hailey
Yeah, so then yeah, so if that is that will that become a precedent because I’m thinking of like other like training meetings stake you know auxiliary training meetings for release Society Young women’s and primary where you have like those presidents there but you also have.

25:25.80
Richie T
10

01:38:55.69
Hailey
Member of the state presidency but I don’t know that’s interesting curious.

01:38:56.82
Geoff
Yeah, food for thought I hope. Ah I’m curious if in the future maybe will there not be a first presidency member there at all was this just elder rokes kind of telling us what was gonna go down but then next time they do one. He won’t even be present. You’ll just have an apostle show up at the end.

26:00.49
Richie T
Um, well next time they’ll say there will be a session and then there won’t be a session and then there will be a session and then there won’t be a session and and then there will be a session So who who knows who knows.

01:39:15.78
Geoff
Yeah, yeah.

01:39:22.67
Geoff
And I wonder if they’re going to stick with this or if we’re gonna do priesthood again in October or if priesthood session is just gone I don’t know that’s the only way to keep the only way to keep us tuning in. Um.

01:39:28.13
Hailey
I Mean they have to keep us on our toes right? So we’ve got to keep.

01:39:36.88
Geoff
Has been a ah ginormous episode of this show. So I think we’ll we’ll call it here. Let everyone move on with their lives and Haley’s secretly saying oh I wish I’d said no but I can’t do it I can’t say no and so’s and so here I am.

01:39:46.74
Hailey
Ah, no I’m just I’m just so proud of us for finding so much to talk about when and when I was worried that I hadn’t paid attention enough. Ah.

01:39:56.43
Geoff
Ah, um, so thanks everyone for being here Richie nice for you to pop in buddy. We’re glad to have you on for a little bit. Yeah man good to have you here. So go go visit Rosie over at the cultural hall go I called you rivy go visit rivy at the cultural hall and join him on Patreon if you want you can follow Devin on.

26:48.97
Richie T
Um, and thanks for letting me.

01:40:13.69
Geoff
Will said your mark on the world. What are you technically called now Devin what’s the there you go check out Devin Haley do you have anything you want to promote no young women go to go to your class and listen to Sister Smith yeah there’s

01:40:14.49
Devin
We as superpowers for good and our http://solartrailer.com

01:40:24.34
Hailey
No stay tuned. Yes, remember who you are.

01:40:32.78
Geoff
There’s the deal and folks you can find us at this week at http://mormons.com please support us on http://patreon.com/ this weekend mormons throw a little bit at us and we’ll see you on social media as well. But I will be done now because this has been one of the longest episodes we’ve done in a very long time since Meryl Jensen talked to us for two and a half hours and I had to edit that down to an hour and 10 minutes and that was a lot of fun. He was awesome. Very nice guy. So thanks for being here everybody I appreciate all of you my cos. Thanks guys good to have you thanks for listening to the to everybody. We’ll talk to you next week bye-bye.

01:40:53.19
Devin
Sorry good night.

01:40:55.97
Hailey
Um I.

 

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